QUOTE, konehead
"And I think the way we're going about things may just help"
QUOTE regitaekilthgiwt: "Well it cant make it any worse!!"
Konehead says: I'm talking in the long term. Sure there'll be some short term pain. But managers need to see numbers going south, not hear LAMEs whinge. Then perhaps pressure from higher up will make them have a good look at themselves! Then the improvements will follow. Or not.