Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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Here's all the answers you need lobe, cartex and tbar:
21 November 2007 ID74-07
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
It is with considerable sadness and disappointment that a newsletter of this nature has to be issued.
Several people have contacted me the last few days in relation to the following matters that are being circulated by a small but distinct group of crew.
MICHAEL MIJATOV IS RECEIVING KICKBACKS FROM QANTAS
It is being suggested that I am receiving “kickbacks” from Qantas in relation to the EBA negotiations.
I became an elected official of the FAAA in 1997 to protect and further all of your interests. I have been direct and honest with our membership at all times. I am in no ones “pocket” and have never received any kickback from anyone including Qantas. The only kickbacks I have received from Qantas at various times since 1997, are “verbal and written kicks”, because I have defended your interests at all times without fear or regard to the repercussions to myself.
I value my reputation like most of you. I have no objection whatsoever to criticism about my policies, my leadership of the FAAA, my record or my achievements or lack thereof. I will not however, have my name and reputation impugned by cowards spreading lies.
I will take immediate legal action against anyone who defames or impugns me. I remind those who wish to continue with this sort of behaviour that in addition to the legal remedies available to me, they are also breaching Qantas’ Standards of Conduct and Code of Conduct Policies by inferring that Qantas is acting illegally by providing me with inducements, bribes or other illegal payments. Additionally, these irresponsible and cowardly individuals are breaking the FAAA Rules by making a false charge against a fellow member.
Perhaps these individuals might wait until the FAAA and I have a new EBA to present to you, before they rush to judgement and execution.
MICHAEL MIJATOV HAS SIGNED OFF THE EBA AND ALSO GIVEN AWAY THE BID SYSTEM
The Workplace Relations Act states that an EBA can only come into force once crew approve a proposed new EBA by a majority vote.
Michael Mijatov, the FAAA nor the Almighty himself can unilaterally sign off a new EBA or give away conditions. Only YOU the membership can do that as provided for the by the Law of Australia.
IF KEVIN RUDD WINS EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE AND WE CAN HAVE STOPPAGES AND STRIKES AND GET EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT
The FAAA under my leadership has been strongly recommending that our members vote for the Labor Party.
Many of the excesses of the current unfair and harsh WorkChoices law will be altered if Labor wins. What will not be altered, is the ability of any employer to run their business in the most efficient and competitive manner.
For us this means NO extra work will be directed to Long Haul unless Qantas can obtain a more productive and efficient Long Haul. That is the fact of the matter and the simple reality. I and my other elected colleagues do not like that fact, however that is the way it is and the FAAA has to deal with facts rather than fantasy to ensure we are protected.
I look forward to announcing a new EBA and having the chance to see as many of you as possible at the meetings that I will call to explain any new agreement that might be reached. It will be up to you after these meetings are completed, to vote for or against such an agreement in a secret ballot organised by Qantas as required by Law.
Each of you, including the cowards that I referred to in this newsletter, will be in a perfect position to decide if I am in the pocket of the Company and/or receiving kickbacks once we announce the details of a proposed EBA8. Our members will also be in a position at that point to decide if any “sellout” by the FAAA or me has occurred.
21 November 2007 ID74-07
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
WHERE IS THE FAIR GO?
Several people have contacted me the last few days in relation to the following matters that are being circulated by a small but distinct group of crew.
MICHAEL MIJATOV IS RECEIVING KICKBACKS FROM QANTAS
It is being suggested that I am receiving “kickbacks” from Qantas in relation to the EBA negotiations.
I became an elected official of the FAAA in 1997 to protect and further all of your interests. I have been direct and honest with our membership at all times. I am in no ones “pocket” and have never received any kickback from anyone including Qantas. The only kickbacks I have received from Qantas at various times since 1997, are “verbal and written kicks”, because I have defended your interests at all times without fear or regard to the repercussions to myself.
I value my reputation like most of you. I have no objection whatsoever to criticism about my policies, my leadership of the FAAA, my record or my achievements or lack thereof. I will not however, have my name and reputation impugned by cowards spreading lies.
I will take immediate legal action against anyone who defames or impugns me. I remind those who wish to continue with this sort of behaviour that in addition to the legal remedies available to me, they are also breaching Qantas’ Standards of Conduct and Code of Conduct Policies by inferring that Qantas is acting illegally by providing me with inducements, bribes or other illegal payments. Additionally, these irresponsible and cowardly individuals are breaking the FAAA Rules by making a false charge against a fellow member.
Perhaps these individuals might wait until the FAAA and I have a new EBA to present to you, before they rush to judgement and execution.
MICHAEL MIJATOV HAS SIGNED OFF THE EBA AND ALSO GIVEN AWAY THE BID SYSTEM
The Workplace Relations Act states that an EBA can only come into force once crew approve a proposed new EBA by a majority vote.
Michael Mijatov, the FAAA nor the Almighty himself can unilaterally sign off a new EBA or give away conditions. Only YOU the membership can do that as provided for the by the Law of Australia.
IF KEVIN RUDD WINS EVERYTHING WILL CHANGE AND WE CAN HAVE STOPPAGES AND STRIKES AND GET EVERYTHING THAT WE WANT
The FAAA under my leadership has been strongly recommending that our members vote for the Labor Party.
Many of the excesses of the current unfair and harsh WorkChoices law will be altered if Labor wins. What will not be altered, is the ability of any employer to run their business in the most efficient and competitive manner.
For us this means NO extra work will be directed to Long Haul unless Qantas can obtain a more productive and efficient Long Haul. That is the fact of the matter and the simple reality. I and my other elected colleagues do not like that fact, however that is the way it is and the FAAA has to deal with facts rather than fantasy to ensure we are protected.
I look forward to announcing a new EBA and having the chance to see as many of you as possible at the meetings that I will call to explain any new agreement that might be reached. It will be up to you after these meetings are completed, to vote for or against such an agreement in a secret ballot organised by Qantas as required by Law.
Each of you, including the cowards that I referred to in this newsletter, will be in a perfect position to decide if I am in the pocket of the Company and/or receiving kickbacks once we announce the details of a proposed EBA8. Our members will also be in a position at that point to decide if any “sellout” by the FAAA or me has occurred.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
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twiggs why did you refer to myself,lobe and t bar in the heading of the FAAA newsletter.
Please indicate when and where I or any of the other posters have made those accusations on this site I can assure you that you wont find any because accusations like that are revolting! holding the FAAA officials accountable for their actions is quite different to what has been stated in that letter.
you sad person twiggs!
Please indicate when and where I or any of the other posters have made those accusations on this site I can assure you that you wont find any because accusations like that are revolting! holding the FAAA officials accountable for their actions is quite different to what has been stated in that letter.
you sad person twiggs!
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So touchy aren't we carty.
I was referring to answers to those questions you keep wanting from the FAAA ie parts 2 and 3 of the newsletter, I was not accusing you of defaming Michael.
I was referring to answers to those questions you keep wanting from the FAAA ie parts 2 and 3 of the newsletter, I was not accusing you of defaming Michael.
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Twiggsy girl.....
A touch of facetiousness there Twiggsy Girly as well as being more than a little disingenuous.....
If not then you would have clarified your post about MM's newsletter........but as usual........
However twiggsy girly ,that is not the point of your post and that is only to stir trouble once again.
In fact MM did not answer any questions because if you really read his newsletter all he is saying is that a company has the right to source the cheapest labour....Something the company will tell you ad nauseam
That as most people would agree is blindingly obvious and not really an answer to the questions I asked.
The rest of his newsletter is about defamation and at no stage have I or to the best of my knowledge Tbar or cartexchange posted a claim that MM or any union official is or was corrupt.
To be critical is not to defame.
It is good to see that none of you is MM as he tells us that he doesn't mind criticism as opposed to those union supporters on PPrune.
I was content to not post anything that could be construed as inflammatory until the EBA is announced but with again Twiggsy girls post I felt obliged.
I await now for the inevitable infantile name calling from the usual suspects as well as Twiggsy's usual attempts to clarify her previous posts...
So touchy aren't we carty.
If not then you would have clarified your post about MM's newsletter........but as usual........
However twiggsy girly ,that is not the point of your post and that is only to stir trouble once again.
In fact MM did not answer any questions because if you really read his newsletter all he is saying is that a company has the right to source the cheapest labour....Something the company will tell you ad nauseam
That as most people would agree is blindingly obvious and not really an answer to the questions I asked.
The rest of his newsletter is about defamation and at no stage have I or to the best of my knowledge Tbar or cartexchange posted a claim that MM or any union official is or was corrupt.
To be critical is not to defame.
It is good to see that none of you is MM as he tells us that he doesn't mind criticism as opposed to those union supporters on PPrune.
I was content to not post anything that could be construed as inflammatory until the EBA is announced but with again Twiggsy girls post I felt obliged.
I await now for the inevitable infantile name calling from the usual suspects as well as Twiggsy's usual attempts to clarify her previous posts...
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Originally Posted by lowerlobe
Defcon....
Let's see if you can actually continue your argument without your infantile habit of name calling?...Or is it you that wants this thread closed?
Let's see if you can actually continue your argument without your infantile habit of name calling?...Or is it you that wants this thread closed?
Originally Posted by lowerlobe
Twiggsy girl.....Twiggsy Girly.....twiggsy girly
We wouldn't want the amount of correct information posted to exceed the crap now would we?
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From lowerlobe...
Just as I said........
From Twiggsy
Apparently you don't twiggsy!!!!
I await now for the inevitable infantile name calling from the usual suspects
Lobe, you are such a hypocrite
From Twiggsy
We wouldn't want the amount of correct information posted to exceed the crap now would we?
Last edited by lowerlobe; 21st Nov 2007 at 22:32.
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OK guys we know there is no point in doing this post after silly post.How about we wait for the eba details to be given by the faaa and then talk about it.
The next person to make a smart comment is the one who wants to get this closed.
The next person to make a smart comment is the one who wants to get this closed.
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Ohh crikey here we go again! If you read through the forums you will see threads for engineers, freight, atc, cabin crew etc etc AND 
pilots.
Will someone please pass a colouring book and some crayons to qfpaypacket so they can make themself useful.
pilots. Will someone please pass a colouring book and some crayons to qfpaypacket so they can make themself useful.
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Dixon's Staff Mantra
Dixon...."Im not happy 'til you're not happy
(credit to Chimbu Warrior)
Pretty much sums up the whole shebang.
Worth a T Shirt at least...or....
The Black Widow's Got One....Scrotum Face is one.
(credit to Chimbu Warrior)
Pretty much sums up the whole shebang.
Worth a T Shirt at least...or....
The Black Widow's Got One....Scrotum Face is one.
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PPrune is a Professional Pilots rumour network. Not a childish name calling cabin crew forum. Why don't you people go over to the cabin crew section of this forum and continue your crap, or go to one of the dedicated cabin crew websites?
This pathetic dribble just gives QF people an already worse name.
This pathetic dribble just gives QF people an already worse name.
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Crusty Demon...
I'd like to point out a few salient facts that are and obviously not apparent to you.
Firstly,this thread is headed Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew and as such I would imagine that you should be able to determine what that means.
Secondly,I doubt anyone is putting a gun to your head or making any other threats so as to make you read a thread clearly labelled Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew.
Thirdly,The heading of this area of PPrune is clearly labelled D & G Reporting which is generally known as Dunnunda and Godzone.
This is further defined by the moderators of PPrune as..
Now it may be that you as a pilot are unaware of the fact that there are actually other people that work in aviation and not just pilots.
Note that the description say's..."All aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene".....
Fourth,You really can't tell me that other threads with pilots have not been become heated and various name calling occurred.
Lastly,If you don't want to read anything about cabin Crew then don't....
I'd like to point out a few salient facts that are and obviously not apparent to you.
Firstly,this thread is headed Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew and as such I would imagine that you should be able to determine what that means.
Secondly,I doubt anyone is putting a gun to your head or making any other threats so as to make you read a thread clearly labelled Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew.
Thirdly,The heading of this area of PPrune is clearly labelled D & G Reporting which is generally known as Dunnunda and Godzone.
This is further defined by the moderators of PPrune as..
An independent family of forums covering all aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene.
Note that the description say's..."All aspects of the Australian/NZ aviation scene".....
Fourth,You really can't tell me that other threads with pilots have not been become heated and various name calling occurred.
Lastly,If you don't want to read anything about cabin Crew then don't....
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I think
MM's chest would have grown by an mini inch after last nights "slaughter" of the libs. i hope the managers in the bunker get a reality check now. my prediction GD will be gone in 08
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Extra work available!
At short notice there is an opportunity for crew to complete extra hours this weekend. It will occur at QCC and involve shredding 3000 odd AWA's which needs to be completed by Monday morning.
Anyone interested?
Anyone interested?
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are the
managers going to be shredded as well???????:
i can see dicko being mighty nervous as his lovechild porn* will have to offer common law contracts all around. i am sure he is going to bill mainline for it
i can see dicko being mighty nervous as his lovechild porn* will have to offer common law contracts all around. i am sure he is going to bill mainline for it
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This is certainly a win for the QF employees who are negotiating their EBA's.
Darth would not be happy today.......
And5678....I like that post of yours....very good...
Darth would not be happy today.......
And5678....I like that post of yours....very good...
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Yes stubby good quinella.....
Good to see Howard finally get what he desreved.
The federal terms are 3 year terms..so it will be Kevin 10 .
Now for the L/H EBA outcome.... something in my bones tells me it will be announced very very shortly.
Good to see Howard finally get what he desreved.
The federal terms are 3 year terms..so it will be Kevin 10 .
Now for the L/H EBA outcome.... something in my bones tells me it will be announced very very shortly.