Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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Originally Posted by lowerlobe
Looking at your keen investigative mind TT and seeing that you are able to deduce that 3 people are in fact one.This based on the simple fact that they all joined PPrune in the one year shows your brilliance.
You use similar flawed logic to decide that I don't fly so don't ridicule others when they do the same.
Originally Posted by cartexchange
lower lobe's comments are welcome and valid, he may be retired but at least he is still concerned about our conditions, much more that you are trav thick.
Your not doing a "Silverchair" on us are you lobe?
Be careful, you will lose your fans if you lose your edge!
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Just Wait
C'mon we are all getting a bit excited.
Dont villify MM until the EBA is complete and then lets scrutinize all the components.
I have faith in him.
He has kept us on an even keel.
I have seen have a go at the Black Widow.He is not about to sell anyone out.
So lets all calm down and wait for the final outcome shall we.
Dont villify MM until the EBA is complete and then lets scrutinize all the components.
I have faith in him.
He has kept us on an even keel.
I have seen have a go at the Black Widow.He is not about to sell anyone out.
So lets all calm down and wait for the final outcome shall we.
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The game continues....and knock on by travel thickness
Joining dates..may august november 2005.
Ny...Ny...Ny....what happened to my sparring partner Guardian1/2?
I have seen have a go at the Black Widow.
In anycase leave her she's mine, she's mine!!
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Uh Oh
This will be closed soon.
But then again, thats your intention isnt it?
QF management would like nothing better than to have this thread closed and you are about to give them an early Christmas Present.
Well done...you morons!!!
But then again, thats your intention isnt it?
QF management would like nothing better than to have this thread closed and you are about to give them an early Christmas Present.
Well done...you morons!!!
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twiggs you are right..cartexchange cannot read a newsletter and he criticises a dispensation about an A330-200 not even knowing that there are only 4 current crew rest seats, plus the high comfort seat.
Says it all really, he speaks with such apparent knowledge and wisdom, but in reality he has no clue!
You have Mijatov, Reed at the FAAA desperately trying to prevent redundancies and they are defammed in this forum by the likes of cartexchange. Such a hero, i'd like to see him say it in front of MM
On Monday (most probably) a big story will become public and then all will see whether MM was exaggerating as to the threat to Long Haul and the need to be flexible .
Me thinks cartexchange on Monday will be demanding that the FAAA gives a million dispensations.
STANDBY FOR MORE .
Says it all really, he speaks with such apparent knowledge and wisdom, but in reality he has no clue!
You have Mijatov, Reed at the FAAA desperately trying to prevent redundancies and they are defammed in this forum by the likes of cartexchange. Such a hero, i'd like to see him say it in front of MM
On Monday (most probably) a big story will become public and then all will see whether MM was exaggerating as to the threat to Long Haul and the need to be flexible .
Me thinks cartexchange on Monday will be demanding that the FAAA gives a million dispensations.
STANDBY FOR MORE .
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Eden & Defcon....
How about giving the name calling a rest?
There are some here that without a doubt would like the thread closed down and name calling only helps that cause.
No one doubts that negotiations with the company are ever easy especially now.
Even so I find the 1 million shares given to Dixon at the AGM extra-ordinary given the take over debacle.
Any claim by the company that it is doing it tough should be laughed at.
It has just placed the largest commercial aircraft order in history.The company said that it would not affect it's credit rating by doing so.
That is another way of saying that it is buying them with cold hard cash and doesn't need to borrow the money.
How about giving the name calling a rest?
There are some here that without a doubt would like the thread closed down and name calling only helps that cause.
No one doubts that negotiations with the company are ever easy especially now.
Even so I find the 1 million shares given to Dixon at the AGM extra-ordinary given the take over debacle.
Any claim by the company that it is doing it tough should be laughed at.
It has just placed the largest commercial aircraft order in history.The company said that it would not affect it's credit rating by doing so.
That is another way of saying that it is buying them with cold hard cash and doesn't need to borrow the money.
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The fat lady hasn't sung just yet........
Come on guys.
It seems pretty clear to me that the dispensations that some are crying blue murder about shouldn't just be looked at in isolation.
The FAAA have asked us via news letters to wait for the outcome of our EBA negotiations before passing judgement and to trust that they have our best interests at heart.
I can't imagine how the reponsibility must weigh on those who are CHOOSING to negotiate against QF in an effort to maintain our terms, conditions and continued career aspirations.
Especially in these industrial climes and FWIW I'm bloody grateful to have people who quite obviously care philosophically enough to do so.
How about we all just calm down a bit and safe any criticisms for when we can all see the big picture.........
It seems pretty clear to me that the dispensations that some are crying blue murder about shouldn't just be looked at in isolation.
The FAAA have asked us via news letters to wait for the outcome of our EBA negotiations before passing judgement and to trust that they have our best interests at heart.
I can't imagine how the reponsibility must weigh on those who are CHOOSING to negotiate against QF in an effort to maintain our terms, conditions and continued career aspirations.
Especially in these industrial climes and FWIW I'm bloody grateful to have people who quite obviously care philosophically enough to do so.
How about we all just calm down a bit and safe any criticisms for when we can all see the big picture.........
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Ok Eden Niner Niner,You have our attention and I'm sure we are all waiting for the news.If it is not released by monday will you tell us ?
As you are not MM or SR or anyone else in the faaa then you should have no probs posting it here.
As you are not MM or SR or anyone else in the faaa then you should have no probs posting it here.
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Is it a joke?
Just been up to Lax.
Apparently, according to some crew i know, they have heard that some of the people that were voted out of the FAAA are going to run a team against Mijatov. They are going to try to undermine any EBA announced by the FAAA.
That would be hilarious. Don't these people who were rejucted before realise how on the nose they still are?
Apparently, according to some crew i know, they have heard that some of the people that were voted out of the FAAA are going to run a team against Mijatov. They are going to try to undermine any EBA announced by the FAAA.
That would be hilarious. Don't these people who were rejucted before realise how on the nose they still are?
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what you actually listen to that crap that is "discussed" around the LAX pool.
for the moment MM is safe, that is safe depending on the outcome of the EBA.
Anyway its in his interest to negotiate a good EBA otherwise he will have to fly under it as he wont last the onslaught from the crew if a bad one is achieved ( get my drift)
At the moment he is keeping the masses quiet..........
for the moment MM is safe, that is safe depending on the outcome of the EBA.
Anyway its in his interest to negotiate a good EBA otherwise he will have to fly under it as he wont last the onslaught from the crew if a bad one is achieved ( get my drift)
At the moment he is keeping the masses quiet..........
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Pool side stories are one thing and have been for many years.Thats gripping stuff I'm sure but The real deal is the big news that Eden promised and has told us will rock our socks.
equity38 when your in the bunker tomorro ask Eden to let us know the goss.
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equity38 when your in the bunker tomorro ask Eden to let us know the goss.
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Thanks Midnight for that info and it looks like the story that Eden was talking about allright.
I liked the bit about the company warning Labor not to change the IR laws.
That is the attitude of the company that has never changed.
The Spirit of Australia my backside.
I liked the bit about the company warning Labor not to change the IR laws.
That is the attitude of the company that has never changed.
The Spirit of Australia my backside.
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Sobering news
It would certainly appear that the rhetoric coming out of the FAAA for the last couple of years is on the money!!
For those naysayers that maintain that the FAAA dispensations are the end of the world, I would suggest that the above article totally vindicates the position of the current FAAA leadership.
The message from the Bunker has consistently been that sensible and pragmatic decisions and cool heads are essential. Thank God we got rid of Broome, Brem, Morrison and Dalton et al
Could you imagine the mantra to qantas from them..get stuffed to everything Qantas requests and playing to the "pool crowd" in LA rather than a sensible pragmatic approach....it's no wonder that the FAAA has being saying how complex these negotiations are....
For those naysayers that maintain that the FAAA dispensations are the end of the world, I would suggest that the above article totally vindicates the position of the current FAAA leadership.
The message from the Bunker has consistently been that sensible and pragmatic decisions and cool heads are essential. Thank God we got rid of Broome, Brem, Morrison and Dalton et al
Could you imagine the mantra to qantas from them..get stuffed to everything Qantas requests and playing to the "pool crowd" in LA rather than a sensible pragmatic approach....it's no wonder that the FAAA has being saying how complex these negotiations are....
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It's great to see you back andrew,sorry I mean pegasus
I think it's fairly safe to say that those ex players in the faaa will not be back after their screw up so you can give that 'rhetoric' the flick.
Is this just another poker move by the company or are they really going to go ahead with watering down the spirit of Australia?
I know what you are saying about negotiations but you have to have a line in the sand somewhere.
Otherwise you will give everything away I mean where do you stop just to save your job.
This is where I would like to hear what the company wants.At the very least the media would love it and I don't think the company would.If they want to play the game then so should the faaa.
Eden how did the union and the herald find out about the new company?
I think it's fairly safe to say that those ex players in the faaa will not be back after their screw up so you can give that 'rhetoric' the flick.
Is this just another poker move by the company or are they really going to go ahead with watering down the spirit of Australia?
I know what you are saying about negotiations but you have to have a line in the sand somewhere.
Otherwise you will give everything away I mean where do you stop just to save your job.
This is where I would like to hear what the company wants.At the very least the media would love it and I don't think the company would.If they want to play the game then so should the faaa.
Eden how did the union and the herald find out about the new company?
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its called politics
qf has enough options currently to utilise akl/bkk/lhr to expand (even under the current workchoice laws). qf uses every available avenue to push their cause. now,MM you always can start the industrial game , lets see how many cancellations come in. this would even the playing field a bit.
i repeat i think qf is in no hurry to have any results.
i repeat i think qf is in no hurry to have any results.
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Agree T-bar, 'nice to see you back Andrew.
Hows the life after QF/FAAA going?
Your opinion is well respected on this Forum.
The article in the smh looks sounds ominous to me, but lets wait & see and HOPE that the Black Widow does't play off us like Chumps.
Hows the life after QF/FAAA going?
Your opinion is well respected on this Forum.
The article in the smh looks sounds ominous to me, but lets wait & see and HOPE that the Black Widow does't play off us like Chumps.
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Get The Message
This not a game of poker.This is not a threat..... its reality.
Get with the programme...this is 2007 not 1967.
Qantas does not care about you or public perception.
It has always been about reducing labour costs and breaking the unions.
What would your response be if you received a DCM(Compulsory Redundancy) in the mail....They Can't do this.?
Guess what?.... they can.
Your wife and kids may ask you why their lifestyle has changed.
What answer will you give them?
Get with the programme...this is 2007 not 1967.
Qantas does not care about you or public perception.
It has always been about reducing labour costs and breaking the unions.
What would your response be if you received a DCM(Compulsory Redundancy) in the mail....They Can't do this.?
Guess what?.... they can.
Your wife and kids may ask you why their lifestyle has changed.
What answer will you give them?
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There are a few points that I think are relevant....
This is basically strike breakers version II....
It does not cost much if anything in the scheme of things to register a company on paper and play one of the oldest game in the books.The sky will fall if you don't Bend Over.....
Is it just me or is this one of the best contradictions from Dixon I have heard.
As far as I know QF has always been a global company as it's main job is an international airline.
Let me see if I understand Dixon....To protect Australian jobs we need to hire more people overseas.....WTF...
What happens then if Rudd wins and removes Work Choices?
Does this then mean that the EBA is enforceable and the company cannot legally increase the overseas bases more than the current limit of 870?
I think TBar is right and it might be time to play hard ball with the company.
This is especially after this news item this morning on the profitability of the company.....
This is basically strike breakers version II....
It does not cost much if anything in the scheme of things to register a company on paper and play one of the oldest game in the books.The sky will fall if you don't Bend Over.....
Is it just me or is this one of the best contradictions from Dixon I have heard.
At Qantas' annual meeting last week, Mr Dixon said: "As we become more and more a global company, we will also need the flexibility to source more jobs offshore as part of a mix that will provide the platform for long-term jobs growth and sustainability within Australia."
Let me see if I understand Dixon....To protect Australian jobs we need to hire more people overseas.....WTF...
Qantas also has crew bases in London and Bangkok, and the union-negotiated cap which restricts Qantas to employing 870 foreign crew has been rendered obsolete because of the WorkChoices laws.
Does this then mean that the EBA is enforceable and the company cannot legally increase the overseas bases more than the current limit of 870?
I think TBar is right and it might be time to play hard ball with the company.
This is especially after this news item this morning on the profitability of the company.....
QANTAS and Virgin Blue are on track for record profits due to a rising exchange rate offsetting much of the profit drag caused by higher than expected fuel costs.
Global broking firm Merrill Lynch has upgraded its full year profit forecasts for both airlines.
Clients of the firm were told last week that with each 1 per cent rise in the Australian dollar would, the Qantas profit could rise 2 per cent.
"All other things being equal, if we assume the AUD/USD average parity for the 2008 financial year, this would raise our forecast by 30 per cent, " Merrill's noted as the Aussie continued to trade strongly against the Greenback.
Merrill's gave Virgin Blue a similarly bullish report card, saying that like Qantas, it too would report a better than expected outcome with a 25 per cent improvement in after tax profit.
"Like Qantas, if we were to assume the AUD/USD moves to parity we would be looking at a further 32 per increase in our 2008 financial year forecast," the broker noted.
Global broking firm Merrill Lynch has upgraded its full year profit forecasts for both airlines.
Clients of the firm were told last week that with each 1 per cent rise in the Australian dollar would, the Qantas profit could rise 2 per cent.
"All other things being equal, if we assume the AUD/USD average parity for the 2008 financial year, this would raise our forecast by 30 per cent, " Merrill's noted as the Aussie continued to trade strongly against the Greenback.
Merrill's gave Virgin Blue a similarly bullish report card, saying that like Qantas, it too would report a better than expected outcome with a 25 per cent improvement in after tax profit.
"Like Qantas, if we were to assume the AUD/USD moves to parity we would be looking at a further 32 per increase in our 2008 financial year forecast," the broker noted.