Qantas Start Dates
Virgindriver,
[I am not a cadet and think all should get seniority on date of starting with QF] but:
For an F/O slot they need an ATPL within 4 months of checking out as F/O[including required hours] - except 737
1000 hrs aero exp incl 200 hrs on company [mainline] aircraft, 500hrs command [can be up to 350ICUS]
or
1250 aero exp and 400 hrs company
ATPL subjects
150 cmd for 747/A330 [50 can be ICUS]
100cmd for 767/737
So after industry placement I suppose they would have to be around for a few months!?
Tankengine
[I am not a cadet and think all should get seniority on date of starting with QF] but:
For an F/O slot they need an ATPL within 4 months of checking out as F/O[including required hours] - except 737
1000 hrs aero exp incl 200 hrs on company [mainline] aircraft, 500hrs command [can be up to 350ICUS]
or
1250 aero exp and 400 hrs company
ATPL subjects
150 cmd for 747/A330 [50 can be ICUS]
100cmd for 767/737
So after industry placement I suppose they would have to be around for a few months!?
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Virgindriver >
Yeah just as heaps of us have asked and presented to company and Union types, and their response is "It has always been that way" Nuff said, the mob is run by the Cadet Mafia these days so I guess that's that. My opinion is if your fortunate to get the cadet scheme, the get through, you should be happy to get a seniority based on when you get in rather than when starting your training. But hey there are rules everywhere including from our own government so unless your gonna riot why bother? (I am planning a riot against Howard in a few months btw lol!)
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Yeah i see your point but it's a slightly different situation atm, heaps of cadets have built up and no recruitment the last 2 years. They do have a seniority now whether its good or bad so I think there will be some assigning on to aircraft types. Keep in mind usually there isn't a backlog of cadets like this, and I agree at those times they shove anyone, anywhere, to fill their behind the ball plans!
Yeah just as heaps of us have asked and presented to company and Union types, and their response is "It has always been that way" Nuff said, the mob is run by the Cadet Mafia these days so I guess that's that. My opinion is if your fortunate to get the cadet scheme, the get through, you should be happy to get a seniority based on when you get in rather than when starting your training. But hey there are rules everywhere including from our own government so unless your gonna riot why bother? (I am planning a riot against Howard in a few months btw lol!)
Botero>
Yeah i see your point but it's a slightly different situation atm, heaps of cadets have built up and no recruitment the last 2 years. They do have a seniority now whether its good or bad so I think there will be some assigning on to aircraft types. Keep in mind usually there isn't a backlog of cadets like this, and I agree at those times they shove anyone, anywhere, to fill their behind the ball plans!
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virgindriver, I have absolutely no idea why it is done this way. I don't control seniority, it's a company and AIPA thing.
I will say what I have said previously and that many cadets previously (myself included more than a decade ago) joined QF without industry placement. No one (yet) joins QF and goes straight to F/O. I knew of someone who was senior to me who joined after I was an F/O (she did her obs flight with me) and she was still a S/O for about a year (or more!).
I also have no problem with a GA driver being told by QF 'yep we like the cut of your jib and we look like starting you on the mainline fleet in a couple of years time but first we want you to go and flog around with Air North for a couple of years but if you stuff it up then we may not take you after all' and being given a seniority number in the same manner that the cadets do.
I will say what I have said previously and that many cadets previously (myself included more than a decade ago) joined QF without industry placement. No one (yet) joins QF and goes straight to F/O. I knew of someone who was senior to me who joined after I was an F/O (she did her obs flight with me) and she was still a S/O for about a year (or more!).
I also have no problem with a GA driver being told by QF 'yep we like the cut of your jib and we look like starting you on the mainline fleet in a couple of years time but first we want you to go and flog around with Air North for a couple of years but if you stuff it up then we may not take you after all' and being given a seniority number in the same manner that the cadets do.
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I also have no problem with a GA driver being told by QF 'yep we like the cut of your jib and we look like starting you on the mainline fleet in a couple of years time but first we want you to go and flog around with Air North for a couple of years but if you stuff it up then we may not take you after all' and being given a seniority number in the same manner that the cadets do
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virgindriver you would have to ask past President Chaimberlain as to why cadets get the seniority they do, and why he included an LOA into the EBA that wasn't the LOA voted on by the Com ,so I'm told by a reliable source.
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How many are we talking about?
Anyone out there know exactly how many cadets are still to be placed in Qantas? (Besides the 4 that got called end of June?) Only see about 16 names mentioned in the EBA LOA
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manfriday, I don't think 'unfair' is the right term and I don't view the actions by QF in this regard are either 'fair' or 'unfair'- it's just one of the many curious things that QF do...like having physics as an entry requirement. I think I can see some of the logic in what they're trying to achieve but like a lot of things in big companies, the implementation of what could be a beneficial process is so poor as to hobble the project from the start.
Crystal ball gazing a bit, I can see a time when QF may be getting so desperate for crew that they may promise start dates and seniority numbers to those 'direct entry' candidates who haven't yet completed their training. This may include some form of industry placement along the way. IE QF will start head hunting the best candidates in flying training to come and work for them due to the small numbers coming through. The QF flying school program under development is an attempt at attracting these types of people but it may not be enough.
Crystal ball gazing a bit, I can see a time when QF may be getting so desperate for crew that they may promise start dates and seniority numbers to those 'direct entry' candidates who haven't yet completed their training. This may include some form of industry placement along the way. IE QF will start head hunting the best candidates in flying training to come and work for them due to the small numbers coming through. The QF flying school program under development is an attempt at attracting these types of people but it may not be enough.
Anyone know if they're 744 or A330, and cadets or DE? Same old questions I know!
Surely the 744 is gonna need plenty soon, 70 odd S/Os starting F/O training in the next year and already an under crewed aircraft (have a look at Open Time!).
By the way, I've heard QF are finally being a bit more reasonable with their so-called "hold file". If you're going to get a start, you now get told within a couple of weeks of doing the interview and told to standby for a course date in the near future. They've realised that guys will go elsewhere otherwise! No more being screwed around hopefully!
Cheers,
TL
Surely the 744 is gonna need plenty soon, 70 odd S/Os starting F/O training in the next year and already an under crewed aircraft (have a look at Open Time!).
By the way, I've heard QF are finally being a bit more reasonable with their so-called "hold file". If you're going to get a start, you now get told within a couple of weeks of doing the interview and told to standby for a course date in the near future. They've realised that guys will go elsewhere otherwise! No more being screwed around hopefully!
Cheers,
TL
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I've never heard of a course starting on a Friday anyway?!?!?! 
Courses normally started on day 1 of a pay period (monday) or somewhere close to that. If the previous course started on 9 Jul then this course is also only three weeks behind. This too is a little unusual as QF used to like having the full four weeks between them to allow one lot to get out of the ground school and into the sim as the next lot started ground school.
Courses normally started on day 1 of a pay period (monday) or somewhere close to that. If the previous course started on 9 Jul then this course is also only three weeks behind. This too is a little unusual as QF used to like having the full four weeks between them to allow one lot to get out of the ground school and into the sim as the next lot started ground school.
Confirm -
If you get placed on A330, it is 18mths before you can bid for 744?
Do you get to voice your preference for type during recruitment?
Are most of the upcoming slots (next 12mths) for 744? Reason I ask is 744 will allow me to commute, A330 not so easy.
Thanks
If you get placed on A330, it is 18mths before you can bid for 744?
Do you get to voice your preference for type during recruitment?
Are most of the upcoming slots (next 12mths) for 744? Reason I ask is 744 will allow me to commute, A330 not so easy.
Thanks
Sorry - that's not how it works. As a S/O you will be assigned either A330 or B744 depending on Qantas' needs at the time and your total hours relative to others in your joining group.
As a S/O you cannot transfer to another aircraft type as a S/O except under unusual circumstances (eg a type phased out or an excess of S/O's on a type). This is not particularly fair given the pay and roster disparities, but it does save training costs.
Just an idea - but if you really want to live in NZ, perhaps you should think about a NZ based carrier.
As a S/O you cannot transfer to another aircraft type as a S/O except under unusual circumstances (eg a type phased out or an excess of S/O's on a type). This is not particularly fair given the pay and roster disparities, but it does save training costs.
Just an idea - but if you really want to live in NZ, perhaps you should think about a NZ based carrier.
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The number of transfers of S/Os between fleets by 'bidding' (as opposed to numbers reducing in the previous aircraft type) in the last decade can be measured on one hand.
You may need to consider moving to SYD if commuting on the A330 doesn't work out for you.
You may need to consider moving to SYD if commuting on the A330 doesn't work out for you.