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Can anyone please answer the following questions :Is it confirmed (100%) that Qantas mainline will employ new hires onto AWA's (5 year contract)?There is a rumour that all pilots employed under the Qantas umbrella (J*, Q Link etc) will join a common seniority list. Is this true ? If so, how will this impact on new hires from outside the Qantas group ?Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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Hugh, the current rumour is that the new starters will join on the EBA although this wasn't the wish of the CEO. Apparently there was some disagreement at the higher echelons of the company about joining on the EBA or AWA. It appears that the EBA has won for the time being.
The common seniority list is a push by AIPA which has been vigourously opposed by QF and a bunch of others also. It's been opposed because QF actually don't want mainline drivers transferring to J* and 'polluting' their low cost culture. I'm pretty sure that they also don't want to make it easy for a J* crew member to come to QF even though they will eventually be able to. 7:20 seniority numbers are set aside for J* crew. Whilst their numbers don't get them anywhere at the moment you may see some movement in 5-10 years when they are senior enough to pick up a mainline F/O or command slot. So at this stage your number will be a QF number that applies to mainline aircraft. Whether you get the chance to bid for a Dash8 command at some stage in the future (if your seniority allows) is a long way off.
I hope that assists.
The common seniority list is a push by AIPA which has been vigourously opposed by QF and a bunch of others also. It's been opposed because QF actually don't want mainline drivers transferring to J* and 'polluting' their low cost culture. I'm pretty sure that they also don't want to make it easy for a J* crew member to come to QF even though they will eventually be able to. 7:20 seniority numbers are set aside for J* crew. Whilst their numbers don't get them anywhere at the moment you may see some movement in 5-10 years when they are senior enough to pick up a mainline F/O or command slot. So at this stage your number will be a QF number that applies to mainline aircraft. Whether you get the chance to bid for a Dash8 command at some stage in the future (if your seniority allows) is a long way off.
I hope that assists.
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To re-apply or not to re-apply?
With this discussion about new courses and "the biggest intake in QF's history" (another thread)... after applying early last year and getting a "thanks but we can't progress your application any further, etc" letter (not the "please re-apply in 12 months" variety), is there any sense in sending in a new application? I don't want to waste their time nor mine.
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BL, The answer has to be YES. You may not get in on the first few courses but with the numbers that they are after, I believe that everyone who meets their standards will be in time offered a job (and it's really worth having).
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BL, fire another letter in updating your experience. Many in QF got a 'no thanks' first but, with polite persistence, were recalled for further consideration; successfully in the end. If joining QF is what you want to try, go ahead. You'll never know if you don't. 
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I reckon 'soon' isn't quick enough! I've just lifted this off Qrewroom where a colleague of mine has posted it.
Great news for all current QF crew and the next 500 to add to the ranks. 
A word of warning though.....it was a pilots shortage and impending numerous promotions that resulted in QF starting up their cadet courses in the early '90s. As soon as they signed the deal the domestic pilots dispute hit as well as employment dropping off to nothing until mid '94.
Training opportunities expected over the next three years are forecast to be 350 Command and 580 First Officer courses in addition to the recruitment of approximately 500 Second Officers. Given the growth of aircraft, anticipated retirements and subsequent training ripple, this will be an exciting time for promotional opportunities for Qantas Flight Crew.
A word of warning though.....it was a pilots shortage and impending numerous promotions that resulted in QF starting up their cadet courses in the early '90s. As soon as they signed the deal the domestic pilots dispute hit as well as employment dropping off to nothing until mid '94.
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I am very interested in QF. Are they ok to have Kiwis fly for them or will I be hard pushed to get an interview. AU ATPL.
Also is it an option to communte from NZ?
Average overnights/mth long haul?
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Also is it an option to communte from NZ?
Average overnights/mth long haul?
Thanks
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There are a fair few kiwis on our flightdecks. Commuting on the 744 is probably possible (A330 would probably be a little harder but definately not impossible)....however when you first join the company you will be fairly junior and rotating on blanklines would make it hard both on your body and financially.....but again not impossible.
Good Luck.
HD
There are a fair few kiwis on our flightdecks. Commuting on the 744 is probably possible (A330 would probably be a little harder but definately not impossible)....however when you first join the company you will be fairly junior and rotating on blanklines would make it hard both on your body and financially.....but again not impossible.
Good Luck.
HD
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Our trans Tasman cousins are most welcome at QF - There are quite a few "sheep shaggers" flying for QF already.
There are a few who commute from AKL which works reasonably well for those doing long haul patterns (B744). The domestic aircraft do a larger number of shorter patterns which would cause your commuting costs to go through the roof.
Good Luck with your application. GB
Our trans Tasman cousins are most welcome at QF - There are quite a few "sheep shaggers" flying for QF already.
There are a few who commute from AKL which works reasonably well for those doing long haul patterns (B744). The domestic aircraft do a larger number of shorter patterns which would cause your commuting costs to go through the roof.
Good Luck with your application. GB
Not so sure about Kiwi commuting...
It is true that a couple of QF pilots commute from AKL (very senior and/or on -400), but I believe it is no longer practicable because;
- their 'priveleges' are grandfathered to the previous rules and the rules have changed since they started that practice, and
- staff travel now permits only 8 international trips per year and, whereas NZ was once considered a 'domestic' leg, you'll need more than that now to make it work as a commuter especially if junior.
I stand to be corrected/clarified but I distinctly recall this debate some years ago and its negative possibilities to kiwi joiners. Anyone?
- their 'priveleges' are grandfathered to the previous rules and the rules have changed since they started that practice, and
- staff travel now permits only 8 international trips per year and, whereas NZ was once considered a 'domestic' leg, you'll need more than that now to make it work as a commuter especially if junior.
I stand to be corrected/clarified but I distinctly recall this debate some years ago and its negative possibilities to kiwi joiners. Anyone?
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Jets, I too recall the 8 international trips being introduced but I think they ditched that a few years back....not long after they introduced it! I know that there are still two coming from NZ and no grandfather rights. It is staff travel after all so it's a 'privilege' rather than an 'entitlement' and so new joiners are on the same deal that you and I are on.
Commuting from NZ would be possible but it's a big ask. Same as commuting from PER. There are guys that do it but those that do it very successfully generally have a decent amount of seniority.
Commuting from NZ would be possible but it's a big ask. Same as commuting from PER. There are guys that do it but those that do it very successfully generally have a decent amount of seniority.
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Full Noise...
Having recently done a cyclic my understanding is the first 400 course is due to begin next month (july) and apparently an intake every month thereafter for the forseeable future, but the instructor was almost certain that the guys/gals coming through first were cadetswho have done their 2yr industry placements..ie jetstar asia and airnorth....now as to how many guys/gals that is exactly..i dont know....assuming Q took 10-12 a year that'll probably fill the courses til about sept-oct'ish.....sorry to be a little bit negative, but it might just give you some idea as to why maybe no-one on the holds file has gotten a call just yet....but hey....i'd love to be proven full oh SH*T!!!
Good Luck to all those waiting...
HD
Having recently done a cyclic my understanding is the first 400 course is due to begin next month (july) and apparently an intake every month thereafter for the forseeable future, but the instructor was almost certain that the guys/gals coming through first were cadetswho have done their 2yr industry placements..ie jetstar asia and airnorth....now as to how many guys/gals that is exactly..i dont know....assuming Q took 10-12 a year that'll probably fill the courses til about sept-oct'ish.....sorry to be a little bit negative, but it might just give you some idea as to why maybe no-one on the holds file has gotten a call just yet....but hey....i'd love to be proven full oh SH*T!!!
Good Luck to all those waiting...
HD
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I was told about 40 cadets waiting to start. Assuming 10 per course, the first 4 courses seem to be allocated to cadets. So that would make recruitment off the street around November.