Qantas Start Dates
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Just for those waiting; I keep hearing from reputable company sources that the next financial year will be the biggest training year "ever". So big that there are real concerns about the ability to actually do what is planned.
A little patience ...
A little patience ...
And 76 slots just scrapping over the line for those with seniority numbers of 1908 and below!!!!
What does this mean in plain terms? Plenty of spin on this whole training tidal wave.
What does this mean in plain terms? Plenty of spin on this whole training tidal wave.
Just wondering if those starting induction next week are cadets returning from industry placement, or DE candidates off the hold file??
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Duplication of info posted on another thread
From an extremely reliable source today - pilot recruitment is now planned to be 12 to 15 pilots every month for at least the next three years. They will be employed for the forseeable future under the conditions of the current EBA (not AWAs) so there will be no "B" scale at this stage.
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So.....did anybody start this week, and to what aircraft? Did you get any info from the company as to the future, and are you on the EBA or on an AWA?
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Without getting into a philosophical discussion about the seniority of the cadets, the reality is that these cadets who have just joined have seniority numbers from a couple of years back. This means that they're the 'senior' people on course and therefore get allocated to the senior aeroplane. This means the 744.
It'd actually be cheaper for QF to send them to the A330 as a lot of them are already A320 endorsed and so they'd be looking at a differences course rather than the full 744 type course.
It'd actually be cheaper for QF to send them to the A330 as a lot of them are already A320 endorsed and so they'd be looking at a differences course rather than the full 744 type course.
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Keg, that's a load of you know what that because these cadets are senior they get allocated to the 'senior aircraft'!!!!!!!
Qantas place you on the aircraft they chose for you. How they choose that aircraft type for you, well now that's another issue.
In fact they have a history of starting some people a day earlier than others to give them a couple of seniorty numbers up and then putting them on the lower paying aircraft (ie classic and 767) whilst the others go to the 744. The ones going to these other types (classic/767) tend to actually be the more experienced pilots compared as a whole to the ones who go to the 744.
So as for starting a large group on the same day and seniority then dictates who gets what aircraft...hhhmmmm
Qantas place you on the aircraft they chose for you. How they choose that aircraft type for you, well now that's another issue.
In fact they have a history of starting some people a day earlier than others to give them a couple of seniorty numbers up and then putting them on the lower paying aircraft (ie classic and 767) whilst the others go to the 744. The ones going to these other types (classic/767) tend to actually be the more experienced pilots compared as a whole to the ones who go to the 744.
So as for starting a large group on the same day and seniority then dictates who gets what aircraft...hhhmmmm
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botero, I'm not sure what the point is that you're trying to make. The reality is that based on the date you join, your seniority is derived from your flying hours. It's why we have ex-RAAF knucks who joined the same day as a C172 instructor and the instructor is senior simply because they've done 800 hours a year for the last six years before joining and the knucks have done 200 hours a year over the same time frame. Simply put these cadets are senior and on the day, they got the 744.
As you state they've started courses a day earlier (cadets and probably for seniority reasons but I don't know that for sure) and then stuck them on the 767. Why was it done? I can't say for certain but I'd bet money that one of the reasons was that the development opportunities afforded to a S/O on the 767 far exceeded those afforded to a S/O on the 744. If that actually was one of the reasons then I reckon it was worthwhile was a good reason. Of course they could have started them the same day as everyone else and put them on the 767 anyway but then they'd be about a dozen or so numbers more junior and for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, QF didn't want that to happen. Now before people get bent out of shape and claim unfair advantage for cadets, this may have come about because the remainder of their course joined the month before and so this was about ensuring that these guys were employed before DE crew as has always been the case for cadetships.
I hardly think that these guys joining now after a couple of years in J* Asia or Air North need quite the same development as what others may have needed when coming directly off a cadet course.
For those wonder about pilot recruitment in QF, to replace the Second Officers being promoted to F/O is going to take about 73 new joiners. On top of this will be extra S/Os required for the extra A330s that we're getting early next year.
As you state they've started courses a day earlier (cadets and probably for seniority reasons but I don't know that for sure) and then stuck them on the 767. Why was it done? I can't say for certain but I'd bet money that one of the reasons was that the development opportunities afforded to a S/O on the 767 far exceeded those afforded to a S/O on the 744. If that actually was one of the reasons then I reckon it was worthwhile was a good reason. Of course they could have started them the same day as everyone else and put them on the 767 anyway but then they'd be about a dozen or so numbers more junior and for whatever reason, rightly or wrongly, QF didn't want that to happen. Now before people get bent out of shape and claim unfair advantage for cadets, this may have come about because the remainder of their course joined the month before and so this was about ensuring that these guys were employed before DE crew as has always been the case for cadetships.
I hardly think that these guys joining now after a couple of years in J* Asia or Air North need quite the same development as what others may have needed when coming directly off a cadet course.
For those wonder about pilot recruitment in QF, to replace the Second Officers being promoted to F/O is going to take about 73 new joiners. On top of this will be extra S/Os required for the extra A330s that we're getting early next year.
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Just curious Keg, why are cadets given seniority numbers in QF when they aren't QF employees or even guaranteed a job after industry placement?
It seems a little silly that they can possibly join mainline and go straight to FO without doing their time as an SO (and learning the way the the Rat wants things done).
It seems a little silly that they can possibly join mainline and go straight to FO without doing their time as an SO (and learning the way the the Rat wants things done).