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PERTH REACHES NEW LOWS
In a week that can only be described as a disaster, countless manpower
shortages and broken aircraft have certainly taken their toll. But hey, this is
an optimised 8 hour roster and by the company's standard works well.(I'd like
to see if it didn't)
Then you have a kiwi cone head ,who smiles a lot and has a regular feature
article in 'the voice', come back in the middle of annual leave to help out with
this operational disaster. What a joke. Problem is no one is laughing.
M , don't worry about saving face. Take those rose coloured glasses off and wake up to yourself !
In a week that can only be described as a disaster, countless manpower
shortages and broken aircraft have certainly taken their toll. But hey, this is
an optimised 8 hour roster and by the company's standard works well.(I'd like
to see if it didn't)
Then you have a kiwi cone head ,who smiles a lot and has a regular feature
article in 'the voice', come back in the middle of annual leave to help out with
this operational disaster. What a joke. Problem is no one is laughing.
M , don't worry about saving face. Take those rose coloured glasses off and wake up to yourself !
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Snr Lame Jobs
I am very dissapointed in the small group of lame's in perth who are
applying for the 4 seniors positions .
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING?
The pineapple hasn't put these positions out because there are crews that need running. WAKE UP !! He needs people committed to make his unworkable 8hr roster work! And he is trying to buy them. That is all!
He is telling you its to relieve the Leading hands and DMM's , Well thats
not his agenda. All he cares about is being able to stand up in the commission on the 4th and tell commissioner Watson he is doing something to fullfill his leave obligations.
At present it is almost impossible for snr lames to take leave,
and they are having to fly in people from an ever shrinking pool to relieve the DMM's , all at considerable cost.
This is just one of the issues putting management under pressure in the commission ,but buy applying for these jobs you are giving the pineapple the ammunition he needs to break us!!!!
I have heard the excuses
I am looking long term-
Well fella , I hope you like the situation we are in now because as soon as the pineapple can make this thing work it will be long term so you had better get used to it!
I am doing it for my family-
What , by helping pineapple impose a roster on us that means we never get to see our famillies . You can bet that come bonus time M doesn't give a rat's ass about your family only the bottom dollar for running the operation and saving face! And what makes the needs of your family
more important than anyone elses?
I am looking at the bigger picture -
Well how about you enlighten us all with your knowlage of the future because we would all like to know, better still tell our reps so they can be better prepared in the commision.
I am doing this so the seniors can have time off-
Have you asked them? They are as pissed at you as the rest of us
They are doing there bit and understand the situation
All you are doing is selling out your mates.
You all complained at the amount of OT that some of our DMM's were doing
making pineapples 8hr roster work , even to the point of ending long term friendships over it.
You all complained when travellers came over to provide manpower relief.
even to the point of using the sc-b word.
You gave one of the lames who did overtime so much grief that he may have to change crews .
Well take a look at yourselves now.
Pineapples dosen't need to fly people over now , he has his own little home grown group who sold out there mates for as little as a senior lames payement
Can you guys not see what he is trying to do here? are you that naieve?
What has been the point of all we have been through in the last 6 months
if you can be bought off so easily.You will be used to provide relief for the leading hands and the DMM's , you will be expected to do overtime. you will be moved between the crews at there leisure to put out spot fires
and you will be on call 24 hrs a day for coverage.
Now explain to me the differance between you and the people you complained about above? I don't see a whlo lot of differance do you?
Ask yourselves how you will feel on your first day when you walk in as a
senior, will you be proud or will you be dreading the reaction of your peers
If the latter is the case then that little emotion is called GUILT. That is the
emotion you get when you know you have done the wrong thing. Sadly an emotion that can be missing in some lame's
Some of you asked us to respect your decisions. Well I, and I am sure
others do not. What reson can you have for putting your needs over the
needs of others in the same predicament?
It is not too late to withdraw your applications and be men again.
Or you can let them stand and be shown the same respect as to the
likes of Borat and mini me
I ask you , what is your good name worth to you
applying for the 4 seniors positions .
WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING?
The pineapple hasn't put these positions out because there are crews that need running. WAKE UP !! He needs people committed to make his unworkable 8hr roster work! And he is trying to buy them. That is all!
He is telling you its to relieve the Leading hands and DMM's , Well thats
not his agenda. All he cares about is being able to stand up in the commission on the 4th and tell commissioner Watson he is doing something to fullfill his leave obligations.
At present it is almost impossible for snr lames to take leave,
and they are having to fly in people from an ever shrinking pool to relieve the DMM's , all at considerable cost.
This is just one of the issues putting management under pressure in the commission ,but buy applying for these jobs you are giving the pineapple the ammunition he needs to break us!!!!
I have heard the excuses
I am looking long term-
Well fella , I hope you like the situation we are in now because as soon as the pineapple can make this thing work it will be long term so you had better get used to it!
I am doing it for my family-
What , by helping pineapple impose a roster on us that means we never get to see our famillies . You can bet that come bonus time M doesn't give a rat's ass about your family only the bottom dollar for running the operation and saving face! And what makes the needs of your family
more important than anyone elses?
I am looking at the bigger picture -
Well how about you enlighten us all with your knowlage of the future because we would all like to know, better still tell our reps so they can be better prepared in the commision.
I am doing this so the seniors can have time off-
Have you asked them? They are as pissed at you as the rest of us
They are doing there bit and understand the situation
All you are doing is selling out your mates.
You all complained at the amount of OT that some of our DMM's were doing
making pineapples 8hr roster work , even to the point of ending long term friendships over it.
You all complained when travellers came over to provide manpower relief.
even to the point of using the sc-b word.
You gave one of the lames who did overtime so much grief that he may have to change crews .
Well take a look at yourselves now.
Pineapples dosen't need to fly people over now , he has his own little home grown group who sold out there mates for as little as a senior lames payement
Can you guys not see what he is trying to do here? are you that naieve?
What has been the point of all we have been through in the last 6 months
if you can be bought off so easily.You will be used to provide relief for the leading hands and the DMM's , you will be expected to do overtime. you will be moved between the crews at there leisure to put out spot fires
and you will be on call 24 hrs a day for coverage.
Now explain to me the differance between you and the people you complained about above? I don't see a whlo lot of differance do you?
Ask yourselves how you will feel on your first day when you walk in as a
senior, will you be proud or will you be dreading the reaction of your peers
If the latter is the case then that little emotion is called GUILT. That is the
emotion you get when you know you have done the wrong thing. Sadly an emotion that can be missing in some lame's
Some of you asked us to respect your decisions. Well I, and I am sure
others do not. What reson can you have for putting your needs over the
needs of others in the same predicament?
It is not too late to withdraw your applications and be men again.
Or you can let them stand and be shown the same respect as to the
likes of Borat and mini me
I ask you , what is your good name worth to you
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This is a great lesson on reality for the pi$$ weak. Please print and leave in Perth smoko rooms. Also send a copy to each of their wives and let them be proud of the promotions their lovely husbands have won.
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To the pending new senior LAME's do you think this will be the last opportunity for a seniors job?
As it has been pointed out, the commission hearing this week should resolve the DMM issues.
The company must be rubbing its hands that any of you have put in for their senior roles. It is the last piece in the puzzle and then we will have a 8 hour shift to enjoy for evermore as you will have solved the problem of no one wanting to act anymore.
Dont be so short sighted and stop thinking about yourself.
Remember, divide and conquor is how this place works and they will have certainly divided us if these new seniors step up for the M.
As it has been pointed out, the commission hearing this week should resolve the DMM issues.
The company must be rubbing its hands that any of you have put in for their senior roles. It is the last piece in the puzzle and then we will have a 8 hour shift to enjoy for evermore as you will have solved the problem of no one wanting to act anymore.
Dont be so short sighted and stop thinking about yourself.
Remember, divide and conquor is how this place works and they will have certainly divided us if these new seniors step up for the M.
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I hope the perth LAMEs can hold the line. I hope commissioner Watson makes the right decision. I look forward to the Federal Election and the establishment of Fair Work Australia very soon after.
Did you see how quickly QF has involved itself in the attack on Rudd's Fair Work Australia proposal? That is surely indication that the proposal can only mean good things for employees at QF.
Management at QF constantly tell the employees that they must accept change. Hopefully, this year it will be management that will have to accept change.
Did you see how quickly QF has involved itself in the attack on Rudd's Fair Work Australia proposal? That is surely indication that the proposal can only mean good things for employees at QF.
Management at QF constantly tell the employees that they must accept change. Hopefully, this year it will be management that will have to accept change.
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Don't give in now
Come on guys, you are so close. Hang in there! The asn will not pull the rug so don't pull it yourselves. If you do your rooted anyway, so give it a go to the end.
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guys we all like to get promoted,when its your turn and everyone knows you deserve it. most of us dislike suck h**e maty club yes men.
but these leading handpositions in perth take the biscute
the sucessfull canadates will have to like their own company and take up reading cos they wont have to many friends
but these leading handpositions in perth take the biscute
the sucessfull canadates will have to like their own company and take up reading cos they wont have to many friends
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acslame- VERY VERY well put. To the guys who have applied for the seniors position"THINK" about what you are doing. We have stood together for 6 months now. We knew there were always going to be "scabs". If they hadn't done what they've done this would already have been resolved as it would have fallen in a heap. Don't be a part of your own demise!!!!
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Hope that you guys are having second thoughts.
The negative feelings your actions have generated are great and as far as I can tell you will never have any respect after this.
DH can walk into Friday's hearing and show the commissioner what he is doing to fix the leave problems there will be no more argument against this 8hr shift.
There has been 6 months of sticking together and these next few days are going to be vital. Don't throw away all the good work so far.
You would always be remembered for your choices now no matter what happens. Make the right choice now.
If you are happy to go through with this lets go and see when they can start the 10.9 shift. Our defeat will be total and complete.
We are all in this together, lets stay together and not let the prospect of a seniors job get in the way of what we are trying to achieve. Do not let your ambition cloud your judgement. Why else would you do this after 6 months of solidarity?
The negative feelings your actions have generated are great and as far as I can tell you will never have any respect after this.
DH can walk into Friday's hearing and show the commissioner what he is doing to fix the leave problems there will be no more argument against this 8hr shift.
There has been 6 months of sticking together and these next few days are going to be vital. Don't throw away all the good work so far.
You would always be remembered for your choices now no matter what happens. Make the right choice now.
If you are happy to go through with this lets go and see when they can start the 10.9 shift. Our defeat will be total and complete.
We are all in this together, lets stay together and not let the prospect of a seniors job get in the way of what we are trying to achieve. Do not let your ambition cloud your judgement. Why else would you do this after 6 months of solidarity?
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Nice to also hear that all 5 Senior LAME applicants have also withdrawn. Over to you Murray who will save your a$$ now? Your texan friends from APA, the lighthouse group or some short sighted scum from the Eastern States?
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It is good to see “M” has now advertised around the network for more SLAME’s to be transferred to Perth. We need more staff, and quick.
The new improved current 8 hour roster currently has 85 engineers on station + 2 new planners we never needed before + permanent DMM relief from other ports + a MH certifying LAME from KL. With these new SLAME’s, This will take our staff to somewhere between 90 and 100.
Just prior to this 8 hour shift, The old “4 On 4 Off 12 hour” shift worked easily with 65 staff on station, Total. This was even with some of that staff doing special projects, comities, training, Traveling-engineers duties to CGK several times a week, OH&S stuff, etc, etc.
Currently, There are no comities, no OH&S, no traveling-engineers, no training, ets. Every thing has been cancelled to get all hands on deck…. and the hilarious thing is, the 8 hour still doesn’t work.
The sooner we can get our staff numbers over 100, the sooner we will be able to go on leave again. (But of course, it’s all about saving money).
The new improved current 8 hour roster currently has 85 engineers on station + 2 new planners we never needed before + permanent DMM relief from other ports + a MH certifying LAME from KL. With these new SLAME’s, This will take our staff to somewhere between 90 and 100.
Just prior to this 8 hour shift, The old “4 On 4 Off 12 hour” shift worked easily with 65 staff on station, Total. This was even with some of that staff doing special projects, comities, training, Traveling-engineers duties to CGK several times a week, OH&S stuff, etc, etc.
Currently, There are no comities, no OH&S, no traveling-engineers, no training, ets. Every thing has been cancelled to get all hands on deck…. and the hilarious thing is, the 8 hour still doesn’t work.
The sooner we can get our staff numbers over 100, the sooner we will be able to go on leave again. (But of course, it’s all about saving money).
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Can anyone update the perth situation?
When will Watson hand down his decision? Whats taking so long?
If he agrees with the ALAEA, does that mean Qantas will be ordered to direct the DMMs to work the 8 hour shift, like everyone else?
Has anyone applied for the Snr LAME positions from outside perth?
Do the guys in the other ports know the ramifications of applying for and filling these positions?
When will Watson hand down his decision? Whats taking so long?
If he agrees with the ALAEA, does that mean Qantas will be ordered to direct the DMMs to work the 8 hour shift, like everyone else?
Has anyone applied for the Snr LAME positions from outside perth?
Do the guys in the other ports know the ramifications of applying for and filling these positions?
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Current shambles remains, and will remain while the "well intentioned few" contnue to do the bidding of the pineapple and protract the situation.
Expect Watson decision in the next week or so, legal processes taking time. No-one knows what Watson may direct, all will be revealed.
Heard rumours of some applying for positions, they do need to ask themselves why no LAME in Perth stood for position. Tell them to read this forum I suggest. It would be nice for all members around th country to inform their friends who might not be fully enlightened of the real story, and what the positions really entail. Not your standard Senior LAME.
Expect Watson decision in the next week or so, legal processes taking time. No-one knows what Watson may direct, all will be revealed.
Heard rumours of some applying for positions, they do need to ask themselves why no LAME in Perth stood for position. Tell them to read this forum I suggest. It would be nice for all members around th country to inform their friends who might not be fully enlightened of the real story, and what the positions really entail. Not your standard Senior LAME.