The Pilot Shortage is coming!!!
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QF pilot shortage...... bwahha
Hehehe the irony. It would be very simple - the pilot shortage at QF may be directly proportional to the amount of pilot applications which have been put in the "Sorry ... we wish you well in you future aviation career, but cant give you any feedback on how to improve yourself "
Well QF suffer in your jocks.
A reasonable amount of those applications have good backgrounds, education, flight experience and the ability to think for ones self. One would think good future aircraft commanders. But according to the almighty Q selection process, No, you must be willing to be an SO for 50 years, and wear the same coloured undies as the Captain. I know up until now that the 'profile' has been drafting guys with C152 time and willing to take it sideways, but in doing so, have dudded themselves ot of some good patriotic drivers. Shortage - shortsightedness more like it.
And before you all start blah blah blahing "Oh You must have been one of the ones that missed out - your great powers of intuition are right - Yes, I was ......and the care factor now - 0' . It was just time to have a dig at the stupidity and irony of the situation as I know of ALOT of guys in the same pot. But I must thank QF, it was a good practice run for the job I have now
Well QF suffer in your jocks.
A reasonable amount of those applications have good backgrounds, education, flight experience and the ability to think for ones self. One would think good future aircraft commanders. But according to the almighty Q selection process, No, you must be willing to be an SO for 50 years, and wear the same coloured undies as the Captain. I know up until now that the 'profile' has been drafting guys with C152 time and willing to take it sideways, but in doing so, have dudded themselves ot of some good patriotic drivers. Shortage - shortsightedness more like it.
And before you all start blah blah blahing "Oh You must have been one of the ones that missed out - your great powers of intuition are right - Yes, I was ......and the care factor now - 0' . It was just time to have a dig at the stupidity and irony of the situation as I know of ALOT of guys in the same pot. But I must thank QF, it was a good practice run for the job I have now
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I hear on the grapevine that 13 VB Captains just resigned in the last few days and off to the desert...good luck to them.
Gotta have got the Goddfrey's attention one would think.
Gotta have got the Goddfrey's attention one would think.
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Your comments reassure me Mulder, because when someone denigrates a pilot’s flying skills because of their political beliefs, then they are desperate and really have lost the argument.
Be careful you may have inadvertently de cloaked and you would not like the truth to be out there would you………….?
Be careful you may have inadvertently de cloaked and you would not like the truth to be out there would you………….?
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Expect a" no union, no pilot management"meeting between Dixon and QF pilots soon. Apparently he wants to talk about a pilot shortage.
You reap what you sow, this is coming back to bite on not only all the companies but damn Howard too! It is the time of revenger and Im stocking up on the wines to watch the show!! haha!
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Elaboration...Dixon Meeting
This was a remark made by a line
Captain during a meeting to discuss other things.
Future requirements for pilots apparently will not be met.
This applies to mainline as well as subsidiaries.
The figure for Asia over the next ten years was around 5000 pilots.
Just passing on what was said.
If Dixon reads this forum he may change his mind about a meeting..or buy some kevlar.
Captain during a meeting to discuss other things.
Future requirements for pilots apparently will not be met.
This applies to mainline as well as subsidiaries.
The figure for Asia over the next ten years was around 5000 pilots.
Just passing on what was said.
If Dixon reads this forum he may change his mind about a meeting..or buy some kevlar.
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The figure for Asia over the next ten years was around 5000 pilots
rho,
U crack me up. Many thousands of kids/adults play cricket/football/netball/soccer etc etc etc each week. Does it mean they are good enough to play at the highest level just because they have played the game week in week out for 10 years?
No. Same with flying. Even more so. Any fool can go out and spend the money to get a CPL. Does it mean they have what it takes to reach the top (be it QF/VB/CX/EK or whoever)?
Absolutely 100% No.
Just get over it. Realise that just cos people dream of doing, and unfortunately think they can do, something doesn't mean they can. And why don't u mention the job you now have that QF so brilliantly guided you to?
M
U crack me up. Many thousands of kids/adults play cricket/football/netball/soccer etc etc etc each week. Does it mean they are good enough to play at the highest level just because they have played the game week in week out for 10 years?
No. Same with flying. Even more so. Any fool can go out and spend the money to get a CPL. Does it mean they have what it takes to reach the top (be it QF/VB/CX/EK or whoever)?
Absolutely 100% No.
Just get over it. Realise that just cos people dream of doing, and unfortunately think they can do, something doesn't mean they can. And why don't u mention the job you now have that QF so brilliantly guided you to?
M
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13 VB Captains just resigned in the last few days and off to the desert
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mmmbop, there may once have been a certain logic in your analogy comparing 'first level' commercial flying and top level sport back in the days when airlines operated Super Connies. However, today, unfortunately, it simply isn't so.
The market will dictate that the seats at the pointy end of however many airliners a company wishes to operate be filled, and if the airlines can't find enough people with the skillsets (only we the pilots seem to think) are today demanded to do the job, the people at the top will simply re-write – read ‘diminish’ - the skillsets required.
My own airline (co-incidentally, the very one the 13 Virgin Blue captains are allegedly heading for), has already taken the first (rather huge, in my opinion) step towards this in insisting that line pilots always use the highest level of automation available.
Practice for situations where the highest levels of automation are not available is no longer allowed on the line. Just where exposure to non precision or visual approaches is supposed to be gained is a question that remains unanswered, for there's certainly never any spare time in our twice yearly sim sessions, where we are supposed to deliver the goods on the first attempt or be marked down as a 'repeat', (a semi-fail situation for an FO aspiring to be given the all-important nod to be allowed to attempt a command course in a non-seniority environment).
When the skills that were once a requirement for this job have eroded thanks to decisions like the one above and when airlines can no longer find sufficient applicants with said skillsets, they’ll simply take who and what’s available and re-write the requirements – and the standards required – for a new applicant.
The seats will be filled and the risk assessors will do their computer models and come up with a result that it will be cheaper to suffer the loss of ‘n’ aircraft every ‘x’ number of years than to fork out the money to pay well enough to attract the higher standard applicant or to maintain the training levels of those currently employed to a level that might prevent a proportion of those hull losses.
The market will dictate that the seats at the pointy end of however many airliners a company wishes to operate be filled, and if the airlines can't find enough people with the skillsets (only we the pilots seem to think) are today demanded to do the job, the people at the top will simply re-write – read ‘diminish’ - the skillsets required.
My own airline (co-incidentally, the very one the 13 Virgin Blue captains are allegedly heading for), has already taken the first (rather huge, in my opinion) step towards this in insisting that line pilots always use the highest level of automation available.
Practice for situations where the highest levels of automation are not available is no longer allowed on the line. Just where exposure to non precision or visual approaches is supposed to be gained is a question that remains unanswered, for there's certainly never any spare time in our twice yearly sim sessions, where we are supposed to deliver the goods on the first attempt or be marked down as a 'repeat', (a semi-fail situation for an FO aspiring to be given the all-important nod to be allowed to attempt a command course in a non-seniority environment).
When the skills that were once a requirement for this job have eroded thanks to decisions like the one above and when airlines can no longer find sufficient applicants with said skillsets, they’ll simply take who and what’s available and re-write the requirements – and the standards required – for a new applicant.
The seats will be filled and the risk assessors will do their computer models and come up with a result that it will be cheaper to suffer the loss of ‘n’ aircraft every ‘x’ number of years than to fork out the money to pay well enough to attract the higher standard applicant or to maintain the training levels of those currently employed to a level that might prevent a proportion of those hull losses.
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Hehehe - hook line and sinker -
Dont need to mention it, not in a pissing comp - just merely pointing out the ridiculous selection process at QF, which for those who got through and are happy, then goodo - and by the way am playing game on team in A grade, not C grade and loving it.
Dont need to mention it, not in a pissing comp - just merely pointing out the ridiculous selection process at QF, which for those who got through and are happy, then goodo - and by the way am playing game on team in A grade, not C grade and loving it.
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Many thousands of kids/adults play cricket/football/netball/soccer etc etc etc each week. Does it mean they are good enough to play at the highest level just because they have played the game week in week out for 10 years?
No. Same with flying. Even more so. Any fool can go out and spend the money to get a CPL. Does it mean they have what it takes to reach the top (be it QF/VB/CX/EK or whoever)?
No. Same with flying. Even more so. Any fool can go out and spend the money to get a CPL. Does it mean they have what it takes to reach the top (be it QF/VB/CX/EK or whoever)?
Are you saying that "QF/VB/CX/EK or whoever" are full of Chuck Yeagers or just fools that think they are Chuck Yeager?
Wiley,
Maybe without realising it, you have only reinforced my point.
My analogy was just that. Judging by some of the posts a few on here have to learn to 'Read Between The Lines' - nothing to do with Chuck Yaeger's, nor alluding to the old days of having to be gifted hand-eye to be a good pilot. Just chose sport 'cause it was the first thing that came to mind - probably because of the World Cup being on! It was just the simplest and 1st analogy that came to mind
I might well have chosen somebody who has completed a Law degree. Or a Commerce degree. Or a Medical Science degree. Does completing the degree mean they are going to be employed by Mallesons, Minter Ellison or the RNSH???!! No it doesn't.
Not a ridiculous selection process at Qantas. Just a selection process. They want a certain type of person so the tests are geared for that person. Just like CX. Just like EK. Just like BA. Just like AA. etc etc etc. You don't get through you go somewhere else. Not everybody is suited to what QF wants. BUT IT IS THEIR CHOICE. Just like Mallesons. Just like the RNSH. They choose who they want, that fills what they determine to be the requirements.
Wiley, with the future like you have described, this is only going to leave more and more people scratching their heads as to why they didn't get in. Yep, they can stick and rudder a light twin really well. But they don't have any management skills whatever and have no idea of processing a big picture. Guess what - u ain't gettin' a job with a major.
M
Maybe without realising it, you have only reinforced my point.
My analogy was just that. Judging by some of the posts a few on here have to learn to 'Read Between The Lines' - nothing to do with Chuck Yaeger's, nor alluding to the old days of having to be gifted hand-eye to be a good pilot. Just chose sport 'cause it was the first thing that came to mind - probably because of the World Cup being on! It was just the simplest and 1st analogy that came to mind
I might well have chosen somebody who has completed a Law degree. Or a Commerce degree. Or a Medical Science degree. Does completing the degree mean they are going to be employed by Mallesons, Minter Ellison or the RNSH???!! No it doesn't.
Not a ridiculous selection process at Qantas. Just a selection process. They want a certain type of person so the tests are geared for that person. Just like CX. Just like EK. Just like BA. Just like AA. etc etc etc. You don't get through you go somewhere else. Not everybody is suited to what QF wants. BUT IT IS THEIR CHOICE. Just like Mallesons. Just like the RNSH. They choose who they want, that fills what they determine to be the requirements.
Wiley, with the future like you have described, this is only going to leave more and more people scratching their heads as to why they didn't get in. Yep, they can stick and rudder a light twin really well. But they don't have any management skills whatever and have no idea of processing a big picture. Guess what - u ain't gettin' a job with a major.
M
Actually if you do enough research and get geared up enough in advance ANYONE can get into QF. The flaw with QF recruitment system is that if you know how to play the game anyone can get in!! You have to do plenty of pysch testing research and know your stuff but it is possible.
QF system relies on people not really being aware of what QF are doing. It's all just a stupid game. If they were serious about their pysch and skills testing you'd be getting a grilling from a Psychologist.
QF system relies on people not really being aware of what QF are doing. It's all just a stupid game. If they were serious about their pysch and skills testing you'd be getting a grilling from a Psychologist.
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Obscene lottery
And they have lots and lots to pick from. There is a large pool of wannabies who have bought $50,000 tickets in this obscene lottery. Most will not make it.
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now.
there's a site. anyone who says no pilot shortage, eat your words... look at the AFAP website.
An operator starting with R and ending with X..... buy a vowl...
I'm convinced.
WWA
there's a site. anyone who says no pilot shortage, eat your words... look at the AFAP website.
An operator starting with R and ending with X..... buy a vowl...
I'm convinced.
WWA