The Pilot Shortage is coming!!!
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Are you sure your name isn`t dopesmoker!!
Because unless your another management type w@n&er trying desperately to convince himself that he`s still got the upper hand, if your not one of them then i`m here to tell you that your wrong mate.
Because unless your another management type w@n&er trying desperately to convince himself that he`s still got the upper hand, if your not one of them then i`m here to tell you that your wrong mate.
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What about helicopters?
Is the pilot shortage only in regard to fixed-wing endorsements? Is there a shortage of pilots with rotary-wing endorsements? If so, where are the job vacancies for helicopter pilots... oil/gas rigs? mustering? Cairns tourist flights? line surveys?
Grandpa Aerotart
Basically, right now if I wanted I should be able to go to:
Company X - Hours / sectors
Company Y - $$$
Company Z - Lifestyle
Company A - To fly a Jet
Company B - To go overseas.
Company C - Get a CMD.
Company X - Hours / sectors
Company Y - $$$
Company Z - Lifestyle
Company A - To fly a Jet
Company B - To go overseas.
Company C - Get a CMD.
All well and good SMOC. But a company like CX might not want VB pilots flying it's aircraft! As evidenced recently by 2 of 26 VB candidates getting jobs there ( may have been Dragonair but same-same ).
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Recently there was a job advertised on the AFAP website...
2000 Hours Total, with 500 Multi... Living in Kalgoorlie...
I understand that the mining industry imposes these certain minimums. But hey...! When regional turbo-prop operators are taking people with 1000-1500 Total, and 500 multi... Accepting a job in Kalgoorlie on piston twins would be a job you'd only really want to do.
I can't say it's a 'bad' job because then it would be insulting anyone who truly wanted the job. As it seems most guys want to get some hours and piss off to airlines straight away - I think that these type of operators are going to find it really difficult to fulfill minimum requirements.
What's gonna happen?
2000 Hours Total, with 500 Multi... Living in Kalgoorlie...
I understand that the mining industry imposes these certain minimums. But hey...! When regional turbo-prop operators are taking people with 1000-1500 Total, and 500 multi... Accepting a job in Kalgoorlie on piston twins would be a job you'd only really want to do.
I can't say it's a 'bad' job because then it would be insulting anyone who truly wanted the job. As it seems most guys want to get some hours and piss off to airlines straight away - I think that these type of operators are going to find it really difficult to fulfill minimum requirements.
What's gonna happen?
SMOC
Expat Aussies I'm sure would be happy to take pay cuts just to live in Australia for the quality of life. Add to that if you are getting direct entry commands then you aren't exactly going to be struggling in this country. It may mean that overseas airlines start putting up pay, however remember that people like Emirates and Cathay recruit from all over the world so I can't see that if alot of Australians leave, this would create an instant pilot shortage for them. Unless Australia really exports that many pilots. Don't forget that in Europe everyone has jet time mostly from day one, so there will always be a good supply of jet pilots from LCCs who would meet the minimums.
Expat Aussies I'm sure would be happy to take pay cuts just to live in Australia for the quality of life. Add to that if you are getting direct entry commands then you aren't exactly going to be struggling in this country. It may mean that overseas airlines start putting up pay, however remember that people like Emirates and Cathay recruit from all over the world so I can't see that if alot of Australians leave, this would create an instant pilot shortage for them. Unless Australia really exports that many pilots. Don't forget that in Europe everyone has jet time mostly from day one, so there will always be a good supply of jet pilots from LCCs who would meet the minimums.
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Expat Aussies I'm sure would be happy to take pay cuts just to live in Australia for the quality of life.
25.1.3 You will be rostered free of duty at your Home Base for minimum of 9 designated
days off in 6 roster periods and 10 designated days off in 6 roster periods. The
minimum number of days off in a roster period for a pilot will be notified to the pilot
no later than before the end of the preceding period.
days off in 6 roster periods and 10 designated days off in 6 roster periods. The
minimum number of days off in a roster period for a pilot will be notified to the pilot
no later than before the end of the preceding period.
Not only is it possible I believe it is actually happening now.
Nine day off guaranteed off per 6 months in your base, that's going to bring the the lifestyle junkies rushing back.
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freddyK, this old phurpy keeps popping up. While some people interpret the clause the way you have, others including j* and j* pilots realise that it is 9 days off in each of 6 month blocks and 10 days off in each of 6 month blocks at home base. Nobody is being rostered any other way. In reality most pilots are doing better than the minimum in each month.
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Another phurpy regarding designated days off in a slip port.
my bold and underline.
25.4.5 If you are at a layover port, or assigned temporary duty away from home base,
you will be rostered for days free of duty as required. We will use our best
endeavours to ensure that such days will not detract from your basic entitlement
to days off at your home base, except with your consent or at your request. You
will be rostered for any days off accumulated under this provision upon return to
your home base or where this is not possible, in the next roster period.
you will be rostered for days free of duty as required. We will use our best
endeavours to ensure that such days will not detract from your basic entitlement
to days off at your home base, except with your consent or at your request. You
will be rostered for any days off accumulated under this provision upon return to
your home base or where this is not possible, in the next roster period.
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ff ,
Whilst J* scheduling my be using the interpretations you point out, it still remains that the section clearly states "9 days off in 6 Roster periods", and it will be interpreted as 9 days per 6 Roster periods when it suits the company - guaranteed.
otg,
The phrase that stood out to me was "we will use our best endevours". I have seen the company's interpretation of that, as well.
Be very, very careful.
N
Whilst J* scheduling my be using the interpretations you point out, it still remains that the section clearly states "9 days off in 6 Roster periods", and it will be interpreted as 9 days per 6 Roster periods when it suits the company - guaranteed.
otg,
The phrase that stood out to me was "we will use our best endevours". I have seen the company's interpretation of that, as well.
Be very, very careful.
N
neville_nobody
Again why do you think I and many of my expatriate counterparts decided to work overseas? It wasn’t the lifestyle, which by the way is pretty good. Once you have worked overseas you soon realise that the Aussie lifestyle is grossly overrated.
Will never happen in mainline and J* don't pay enough. Personally wouldn’t want the crap that would be levelled at me by the other crew if it was. The work environment would go down the toilet. No thanks.
I think you underestimate the number of Aussies working for these airlines. While I can’t speak for EK, at CX we have about 2100 pilots of which about 550 are Aussie’s. We make up the largest nationality in the pilot body. If we all upped stump and left tomorrow that would make the operation impossible to run. So yes in essence it would create an instant pilot shortage.
Even in Europe there is a pilot shortage. Look at the conditions of some of the larger LCC’s. While I will admit that they work their a***s off, the pay isn’t that bad. The problem is the cost to learn to fly there is prohibitive and is a barrier to many that may want to pursue a career as a pilot in that part of the world.
Expat Aussies I'm sure would be happy to take pay cuts just to live in Australia for the quality of life.
Add to that if you are getting direct entry commands then you aren't exactly going to be struggling in this country.
however remember that people like Emirates and Cathay recruit from all over the world so I can't see that if alot of Australians leave, this would create an instant pilot shortage for them.
Don't forget that in Europe everyone has jet time mostly from day one, so there will always be a good supply of jet pilots from LCCs who would meet the minimums.
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Hey here you are again 404 sprouting Cathay's wonderful advantages! Are you on a bonus or something? I personally think you may have been here too long and have really lost touch with reality. Hong Kong is a crap place to live. Period. I don't know whether you have kids (I hope not as the pollution is reducing their life expectancy by 1 week a week). If you are a single bloke stuck in your flat on the 57th floor of some mid levels dump then I also feel sorry for you. Hang on you're probably an A Scaler in which case you really are completely out of touch with the real world. Your monthly salary would probably settle a few third would countries deficets! I would be intrigued to know which EU/UK ariline gave you such a bad impression. I can tell you that my wife and I would (and are trying) to leave tomorrow to get back to that crappy UK regional job. You don't know what your talking about.
tryhard
You just don’t give up do you? You are yet again putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say. Do you have a reading and comprehension problem or something?
Nope.
I wouldn’t call seven years too long. Maybe it’s too long for you but what can we expect from a whingeing Pom anyway? Oops that’s right some of your expatriate countrymen in Aus are taking us to the UN because you don’t like being called that. Oh well Diddums. By the way who said I live in Hong Kong? I didn't.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
I never said that either. Yet again you are mouthing off before you have properly read my post. You really need help because I think you’re dyslexic.
Good. The sooner we see the back of you the better. Bye Bye.
Hey here you are again 404 sprouting Cathay's wonderful advantages!
Are you on a bonus or something?
I personally think you may have been here too long and have really lost touch with reality. Hong Kong is a crap place to live. Period.
I don't know whether you have kids (I hope not as the pollution is reducing their life expectancy by 1 week a week).
If you are a single bloke stuck in your flat on the 57th floor of some mid levels dump then I also feel sorry for you.
Hang on you're probably an A Scaler in which case you really are completely out of touch with the real world. Your monthly salary would probably settle a few third would countries deficets!
I would be intrigued to know which EU/UK ariline gave you such a bad impression.
I can tell you that my wife and I would (and are trying) to leave tomorrow to get back to that crappy UK regional job.
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Guys guys guys! come on, lets play like adults for a change!
Look, its horses for courses.......I left NZ 8 years ago, spent 18 months in Oz flying in Vic, went to Africa for 6 months, and ended up in the UK (for the last 6 years) and in that time I don't think I've ever really missed the lifestyle back home.
Why? because I like it here...does that make me odd? probably..warm beer, high taxes, crappy weather, Islamic nutcases etc etc etc...but you know what? I like it here...and the flying is great!
So I think that if a few more Ozzies (and there enough here already) head to this part of the world, there mayby a slight reduction in the experienced ranks in Oz...but not much more.
Thats not to say however that some guys wont be tempted to come back if the the T & C's as well as career prospects improve somewhat
(so Air NZ if you are listening, I am available as an SFO onto the 767/777
)
Look, its horses for courses.......I left NZ 8 years ago, spent 18 months in Oz flying in Vic, went to Africa for 6 months, and ended up in the UK (for the last 6 years) and in that time I don't think I've ever really missed the lifestyle back home.
Why? because I like it here...does that make me odd? probably..warm beer, high taxes, crappy weather, Islamic nutcases etc etc etc...but you know what? I like it here...and the flying is great!
So I think that if a few more Ozzies (and there enough here already) head to this part of the world, there mayby a slight reduction in the experienced ranks in Oz...but not much more.
Thats not to say however that some guys wont be tempted to come back if the the T & C's as well as career prospects improve somewhat
(so Air NZ if you are listening, I am available as an SFO onto the 767/777
)
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Yes, well the lads that left EK for Jet* are not getting the "great ozzie lifestyle" apparently. The 9 days off are actually in home base, but that is it. 9 days off and the rest in some dive of the world. Crap pay, 9 days off in oz, 95-97 hours a month. Well gents, you were warned before you left to go back. But then again, take the shafting back in Oz is better than taking it in an Arab land I guess. 
The J* designated days off issue is a red herring. 12 roster periods a year, 9 designated days off in 6 roster periods and 10 designated days off in 6 roster periods. Not too hard is it? But then again who has actually spoken to a J* pilot about what they are actually doing?
I am led to believe that Ansett had the exact wording in their pilot’s agreement.
Most sources admit that there is likely to be a pilot shortage, hence extension of retirement age, paying for endorsements, MCL, etc. The big wheel of pay and conditions turns very slowly. I believe it is the ones OS who have the command time who will be most sort after as they can return to Oz, kids have left home, have no mortgage and sign on for a five year contract before retirement. Who knows what opportunities may arise at the end of the contract?
I am led to believe that Ansett had the exact wording in their pilot’s agreement.
Most sources admit that there is likely to be a pilot shortage, hence extension of retirement age, paying for endorsements, MCL, etc. The big wheel of pay and conditions turns very slowly. I believe it is the ones OS who have the command time who will be most sort after as they can return to Oz, kids have left home, have no mortgage and sign on for a five year contract before retirement. Who knows what opportunities may arise at the end of the contract?
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I saw that add.
It might be unfair for me to comment, as I've spend alot of time away from G.A now. But it seems to me like they're dangling the carrot.
They're looking for fella's with 1000 hours plus to do more 210 flying. The only way they're going to get that is if they schmooz them with some possible baron flying.
If I was you guys? Don't let them dangle the carrot. If you're looking for multi hours, get to an employer who flies mainly twins and make it clear you want to be a twin engine pilot. (Even if they make you fly single's for a couple of months, it's worth it if you get full-time on twins shortly after).
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It might be unfair for me to comment, as I've spend alot of time away from G.A now. But it seems to me like they're dangling the carrot.
Cessna 210 charter flying with the possibility of weekly multi charter flights as well.
If I was you guys? Don't let them dangle the carrot. If you're looking for multi hours, get to an employer who flies mainly twins and make it clear you want to be a twin engine pilot. (Even if they make you fly single's for a couple of months, it's worth it if you get full-time on twins shortly after).
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jump jobs?
In regards to the jump jobs advertised on AFAP. If anyones looking for a start its a good way to go (get the hours you need and move on) but don't expect to be paid much! If your like most pilots with a loan behind you - be prepared for a second job!
And you can also expect a struggle with the skydivers you work with - Self appointed experts would be a great way to put it!
And you can also expect a struggle with the skydivers you work with - Self appointed experts would be a great way to put it!
Even the pay rates for certain jump jobs have increased in the past year or so, in some places to the award rate. Due to employers having to face the fact that jump pilots won't put up with a $40/day callout, and $15/load flying a turbine or twin, and leaving after receiving their endorsements. Good to see some people sticking up for what they're worth.