QF HEAVY MAINTENANCE STAFF JOB OFFERS OUT TODAY.
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Soldier of Fortune why don't you wake up to yourself,if these guys take these positions on a salary basis what do you think will be coming your way.It's not the shift that these guys have a problem with,it's the lose of conditions d!ckhead,if you could only see me rubbing my 2 fingers together you would see the world's smallest violin playing for you.You guys are finally having to work a full shift,get over it,you are payed for the 12 hrs you work, so work them.
Finally you made a call about how some of the guys coming over to Domestic you wouldn't rate,what is the problem you have with these guys,is it the fact these guys are more capable on the job than yourself(remember heavy maint is where the aircraft gets pulled apart and rebuilt),what is it you do ,push backs and wheel changes,no wonder Qantas is going to a lameless tarmac.
It's this very attitude of yours that has been to the detrement of H.M(lack of support from you guys in ACS),now the company is about to turn on the rest of you,wake up to yourself or your days within engineering as you know it will also end SOON.
Woomera Edit: I know what you guys are going through at the moment. You would be better served by directing your anger in a different directiion. Not at each other. If you can't or won't, you won't be welcome here anymore.
Finally you made a call about how some of the guys coming over to Domestic you wouldn't rate,what is the problem you have with these guys,is it the fact these guys are more capable on the job than yourself(remember heavy maint is where the aircraft gets pulled apart and rebuilt),what is it you do ,push backs and wheel changes,no wonder Qantas is going to a lameless tarmac.
It's this very attitude of yours that has been to the detrement of H.M(lack of support from you guys in ACS),now the company is about to turn on the rest of you,wake up to yourself or your days within engineering as you know it will also end SOON.
Woomera Edit: I know what you guys are going through at the moment. You would be better served by directing your anger in a different directiion. Not at each other. If you can't or won't, you won't be welcome here anymore.
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qf1,
I neither support nor disagree woth S of F's comments however I detect a considerable chip on your shoulder. A/C transits and wheel changes are but only two of the numerous facets of terminal and servicing duties. Dare I suggest you have an inferiority complex that would show up like dogs nuts outside of your HM comfort zone.
Remember we are all LAME/AME's at the end of the day and should be closing ranks at a time like this at QF.
I neither support nor disagree woth S of F's comments however I detect a considerable chip on your shoulder. A/C transits and wheel changes are but only two of the numerous facets of terminal and servicing duties. Dare I suggest you have an inferiority complex that would show up like dogs nuts outside of your HM comfort zone.
Remember we are all LAME/AME's at the end of the day and should be closing ranks at a time like this at QF.
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Speaking from a H/M point of view, it's not a inferiority complex, it's an aversion to smarmy aerosexual tossers (s.a.ts) that abound in the ranks of Sydney ACS. Comfort zone, maybe? But I can see a lot of uncomfortable s.a.ts around as they see their "world about to be invaded by the riff raff.
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I'm glad you chose to delete your last post, Soldier of fortune. I'm not going to repeat what you wrote.
This is your last warning, ALL OF YOU. You were welcomed here (on what's essentially a pilots' forum) to discuss work issues. As engineers, your input is valued by pilots, and IMHO adds to the value of D&G.
The one thing the Woomera will not allow is personal insults, profanities OR THREATS OF VIOLENCE.
You have a very simple choice: Either revert to posting in a professional manner (some of you do), or we will close this, and any subsequent threads that even remotely appear as Australian engineering issues.
It's your choice.........
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This is your last warning, ALL OF YOU. You were welcomed here (on what's essentially a pilots' forum) to discuss work issues. As engineers, your input is valued by pilots, and IMHO adds to the value of D&G.
The one thing the Woomera will not allow is personal insults, profanities OR THREATS OF VIOLENCE.
You have a very simple choice: Either revert to posting in a professional manner (some of you do), or we will close this, and any subsequent threads that even remotely appear as Australian engineering issues.
It's your choice.........
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Sanity Please
Fellow Qantas engineers. The fight is with the company!
Regardless of the area we work in. The argument of Heavy vs Line is a pointless exercise when all departments are faced with a combative management team trying to devide us and drive down our working conditions and remuneration.
The slagging off between departments will only give the impression to outsiders that we are not ALL PROFESSIONALS, dedicated to aircraft safety.
Regardless of the area we work in. The argument of Heavy vs Line is a pointless exercise when all departments are faced with a combative management team trying to devide us and drive down our working conditions and remuneration.
The slagging off between departments will only give the impression to outsiders that we are not ALL PROFESSIONALS, dedicated to aircraft safety.
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I would like to welcome our heavy maintenance brothers to acs
things are done different here to what you are used to
just relax and try to fit in, leave your egos at the door
and let darwins theory of natural selection work
we will see where everone is next year
cream always rises to the top
things are done different here to what you are used to
just relax and try to fit in, leave your egos at the door
and let darwins theory of natural selection work
we will see where everone is next year
cream always rises to the top
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Unfortunately the mentallity demonstrated within this forum was demonstrated at the last EBA.
We are no longer Engineers working for QF. We have been led down the path of us and them by the company, which in my opinion has allowed the demise of QANTAS Heavy Maintenance in the first place.
Had we have all focussed our energy on the true 'enemy' we might have seen a very different work environment to the one we face now.
Back to the Topic at hand....
The offers came out for Sydney based positions and has been completely messed up. Some guys have been offered 2 jobs whilst others haven't been offered anything (except the door). According to HR this is a mistake and is to be rectified.
Always stand to be corrected
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We are no longer Engineers working for QF. We have been led down the path of us and them by the company, which in my opinion has allowed the demise of QANTAS Heavy Maintenance in the first place.
Had we have all focussed our energy on the true 'enemy' we might have seen a very different work environment to the one we face now.
Back to the Topic at hand....
The offers came out for Sydney based positions and has been completely messed up. Some guys have been offered 2 jobs whilst others haven't been offered anything (except the door). According to HR this is a mistake and is to be rectified.
Always stand to be corrected
BB
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Why thankyou Domo, but if i join ACS i'll take my ego in with me as "EGO is not a dirty word".
I think our biggest problem will be with "not" rectifying defects. Apparently they get deferred or have MEL's applied or something. That will be the biggest culture shock.
I think our biggest problem will be with "not" rectifying defects. Apparently they get deferred or have MEL's applied or something. That will be the biggest culture shock.
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lets put all this them and us to rest
I hope the redeployments are done and no body is forced out the door
the golden days are over it just a job,but the only job some of us know
the boot is on the other foot(employers)
we have to be flexible to save jobs later on the tide will change we will have our revenge then
as for our bosses i hope they can live with themselfs
PS turbo its hard to fix defects if geoff does not buy parts also the time frame to fix is shorter and the a/c is not grounded to fix every snag hence MEL's on a personel level welcome aboard if you care to join us
PSS ego is a nice word for attitude
PSSS QF1 im not a top gun anymore just a qantas loser but im over it the cream comment is open you can read it both ways if you belive in youself you may be my boss next year
I hope the redeployments are done and no body is forced out the door
the golden days are over it just a job,but the only job some of us know
the boot is on the other foot(employers)
we have to be flexible to save jobs later on the tide will change we will have our revenge then
as for our bosses i hope they can live with themselfs
PS turbo its hard to fix defects if geoff does not buy parts also the time frame to fix is shorter and the a/c is not grounded to fix every snag hence MEL's on a personel level welcome aboard if you care to join us
PSS ego is a nice word for attitude
PSSS QF1 im not a top gun anymore just a qantas loser but im over it the cream comment is open you can read it both ways if you belive in youself you may be my boss next year
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I agree with your sentiments Domo. As for the bosses... guys that I work with have said that they no longer had any trust in our management. I fact a number were so disgusted by what they saw`as betrayal and deciet that they could no longer work for the flying rat. These were people that gave a lot for qantas and did not ask for much in return. These guys were in positions of supervision and were well respected. (Not just in line 1 but from fibreglass and sheetmetal as well).
The problem with not fixing defects is that eventually someone has to. Who is left to do that now?
Hey QF1, have you had a big love in in the carpark with soldier of fortune yet?
I think he's keen on you?
I wonder if he realises that you are 6'4" and as angry as Russell Crowe in Romper Stomper.
The problem with not fixing defects is that eventually someone has to. Who is left to do that now?
Hey QF1, have you had a big love in in the carpark with soldier of fortune yet?
I think he's keen on you?
I wonder if he realises that you are 6'4" and as angry as Russell Crowe in Romper Stomper.
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FACK him and the assoc he rode in with,i'll get him in the hip pocket,i'll be casting my vote soon for the ALAEA elections and the same useless twits that got as into this situation will be getting my vote.
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Best of luck to my ex commrades in Heay maintenance Sydney. I flew into sydney a few weeks back, and as the plane passed over Hangar 245, I felt sad to know that a top bunch of blokes had all be screwed over. In my 13 years at Qantas, I have never felt like leaving until I moved to Brisbane. Things have changed. People will argue that it's just the way things are, but I don't believe so.
13 years ago, when I was a dumb pimple faces apprentice, we still had the same defects as we do today. Those same defects happen in 2006 and still have to be fixed. Mind you, the CEO and all his underlings were on a hell of a lot less than they are now. I remember looking in the old parts ordering thing on the computers back in '93 and seeing that John wards' car was a holden statesman. Things have improved in leaps and bounds for management. Things have gradually worsened for the worker.
Is this right? I think not.
To hell with you Dixon. Your day will come. Once there is no meat left on the bone, how will you answer to your shareholders?
13 years ago, when I was a dumb pimple faces apprentice, we still had the same defects as we do today. Those same defects happen in 2006 and still have to be fixed. Mind you, the CEO and all his underlings were on a hell of a lot less than they are now. I remember looking in the old parts ordering thing on the computers back in '93 and seeing that John wards' car was a holden statesman. Things have improved in leaps and bounds for management. Things have gradually worsened for the worker.
Is this right? I think not.
To hell with you Dixon. Your day will come. Once there is no meat left on the bone, how will you answer to your shareholders?
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