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Originally Posted by company_spy
Why were the HM guys given assistance with resume writing, interview techniques and such when this assistance wasn't given to Base.
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It was plain to see that most of the jobs were going to go to HM
Thought it was obvious!
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Originally Posted by Turbo 5B
Also it was Great to see Keith Clarke having his photo taken last night as we pulled the last A/C out of the Hangar. It was him and the HR Bimbo's.
He didn't offer any of the troops a photo op. Nothing like a good gloat from the top.
He didn't offer any of the troops a photo op. Nothing like a good gloat from the top.
I wonder why?I'll ask the question again here instead. Why was Keith called back to Sydney for an "urgent matter", the moment he touched down in Brisbane on Friday morning??
I was so looking forward to seeing him in Brisbane. Each time I meet him he asks me "how is everything going"? I was not going to Bull
to him this time. Was going to express my disgust at the treatment of those in sydney. Oh well.... the opportunity may arise again soon!
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BHM would it not be better to have the best person for the job employed or better still fill the positions from ACS first and any positions left let them apply then not "lets feel sorry for them" so give them first choice. Not lock everyone else out of positions. The odds were stacked pretty much against the guys in ACS with HR polishing the Heavy guys resumes and interview techniques, then running the interviews and in some cases Heavy Management carrying out interviews, you tell me if that is a fair selection process.
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The selections were out of the hands of heavy maintenance.
That came from one of the managers.
The selection criteria was based on a 50 point system.
a score of 1-5 for years of service. ie 1 to 5 yrs = 1 point etc.
Then points were awarded for licences held, scored up to 25points.
The last 20 points were on the interview.
If you were a single licenced lame even with 20 years experience you were on the back foot from the start.
Resumes werent required to be submitted for an Expression Of Interest in a position in ACS, wether that be for a Lame on the tools or a Snr Lame or supervisor.
Tell me Mr Company Spy (alias Servicing whinger) if Cox decides to reduce the Lame numbers by two thirds (as has been rumoured) in ACS would you aply for redeployment in another area as an AME or a LAME?
My guess would be LAME, as I can't imagine you wanting to go backwards in your career. Then why the Hell should the Snr Lames in Heavy maint be expected to happily step backwards to suit your aspirations of leadership.
I have seen some of the most experienced leaders who are abolutley brilliant technically and have lead for almost 20 years get offered a job back on the tools. It's enough to make you sick.
That came from one of the managers.
The selection criteria was based on a 50 point system.
a score of 1-5 for years of service. ie 1 to 5 yrs = 1 point etc.
Then points were awarded for licences held, scored up to 25points.
The last 20 points were on the interview.
If you were a single licenced lame even with 20 years experience you were on the back foot from the start.
Resumes werent required to be submitted for an Expression Of Interest in a position in ACS, wether that be for a Lame on the tools or a Snr Lame or supervisor.
Tell me Mr Company Spy (alias Servicing whinger) if Cox decides to reduce the Lame numbers by two thirds (as has been rumoured) in ACS would you aply for redeployment in another area as an AME or a LAME?
My guess would be LAME, as I can't imagine you wanting to go backwards in your career. Then why the Hell should the Snr Lames in Heavy maint be expected to happily step backwards to suit your aspirations of leadership.
I have seen some of the most experienced leaders who are abolutley brilliant technically and have lead for almost 20 years get offered a job back on the tools. It's enough to make you sick.
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OK Turbo 5B,
It's a hard one for all to agree on the Snr LAME and higher positions. But how about the ACS LAMES who would have liked to change locations, say move from Base to CNS, or perhaps PER to SDT, they didn't get a look in.
Would you agree it would have been fairer if all who expressed interest were considered and the best person for the job was taken. The same number of HM LAME's would have found jobs.
It's a hard one for all to agree on the Snr LAME and higher positions. But how about the ACS LAMES who would have liked to change locations, say move from Base to CNS, or perhaps PER to SDT, they didn't get a look in.
Would you agree it would have been fairer if all who expressed interest were considered and the best person for the job was taken. The same number of HM LAME's would have found jobs.
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I saw a notice from Peter Styles asking for expressions of interest from ACS staff interested in Other Ports. Applications closed on Friday.
And anyway what makes you think that after a week or two on the job that an engineer from Sydney Heavy couldn't do as good a job on a line station as an ex servicing engineer?
Fairness doesn't come into it, a section is being made redundndant and it is those staff who are to be redeployed not staff from any section that just happen to want a new lifestyle.
When H/M line 2 relocated to BNE the ones that didn't go north moved straight into line 1 including into snr positions that had been occupied by actors for a long time, and those actors did not get a chance to apply for those positions.
As for an offer, I was told in interview that they would be in a position to let me know by the 15th of May. it is now the 29th of May and I have not been contacted to let me know either way...typical Qantas Hr style.
That mob couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery.
Thanks for asking Domo.
And anyway what makes you think that after a week or two on the job that an engineer from Sydney Heavy couldn't do as good a job on a line station as an ex servicing engineer?
Fairness doesn't come into it, a section is being made redundndant and it is those staff who are to be redeployed not staff from any section that just happen to want a new lifestyle.
When H/M line 2 relocated to BNE the ones that didn't go north moved straight into line 1 including into snr positions that had been occupied by actors for a long time, and those actors did not get a chance to apply for those positions.
As for an offer, I was told in interview that they would be in a position to let me know by the 15th of May. it is now the 29th of May and I have not been contacted to let me know either way...typical Qantas Hr style.
That mob couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery.
Thanks for asking Domo.
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you can only hope the acs to other ports is to free up sydney jobs for heavy
as thats where most want to stay.
the notice came out thursday replys to be in friday
so much for talking over a life changing decision with the wife
good luck to all heavy maintenance personel we all disagree with what happened
as thats where most want to stay.
the notice came out thursday replys to be in friday
so much for talking over a life changing decision with the wife
good luck to all heavy maintenance personel we all disagree with what happened
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Turbo, has there been any word from on high about further A/C to go through H245? I know the last A/C was supposed to be it, but with the way they are procrastinating, any final decisions/announcements on redeployment could be a while off yet.......
Looks like the Assn has got clarification from the company with regards to the letter that the first lot of guys were presented to sign for their redeployment, all are to remain on current employment conditions. Thats got to be good news!
It seems that the bickering shows no sign of abating, management would be loving that. United we stand, divided we fall........ seems we are staring over the precipice
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Looks like the Assn has got clarification from the company with regards to the letter that the first lot of guys were presented to sign for their redeployment, all are to remain on current employment conditions. Thats got to be good news!
It seems that the bickering shows no sign of abating, management would be loving that. United we stand, divided we fall........ seems we are staring over the precipice
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"It seems that the bickering shows no sign of abating, management would be loving that. United we stand, divided we fall........ seems we are staring over the precipice"
Well the bickering is about to end. The old gaurd intend to re-employ Mr potato head at the Assn after they are re-elected. He will sort things out.
Well the bickering is about to end. The old gaurd intend to re-employ Mr potato head at the Assn after they are re-elected. He will sort things out.
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Well the bickering is about to end. The old gaurd intend to re-employ Mr potato head at the Assn after they are re-elected. He will sort things out
the savior of the LAME' s
come the moment come the man
this **** would never gone down if potato was in charge
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smart move to get an ex Qantas manager on alaea side. He nows the ins and outs of both sides and gets along well with our asociation people. I dont have a problem with the interview process why should we just take the men with the longest service when we have some exellent young lames who are willing to put Qantas before anything else. The ACS transfer to outstations is another opportunity to share the jobs around anyone who nows they want to move to another port doesnt need a month to think about it. Just get on with it we need to move forward and get the airline running as afficient is possible or else there will be more job losses if we cant keep in front of the competetors.
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why should we just take the men with the longest service when we have some exellent young lames who are willing to put Qantas before anything else.
Because mr qantas that is the sprit of the eba
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Why would excellent young LAMES want to stay in a company that won't train or promote them????
The only ones that are staying are those that are too old to try something new or those in too much debt to take the risk.
The only ones that are staying are those that are too old to try something new or those in too much debt to take the risk.
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Turbo, if I had missed out on selection you could call it sour grapes, however as I have had enough of acting like a trained seal at interviews I did not apply for any positions. My position is that there were enough competant people already filling those positions. Those people that missed out are entitled to feel disgruntled. Over the years there have been a handful of people in supervisory positions who have moved from Heavy to ACS, with the exception of maybe 3 foremen none have gone directly to a SNR LAME position. Once they have proven themselves in ACS let them apply for whatever position they want. The stench of nepotism was starting to clear, when the only path to success depended on how well you used a pair of chopstix, these appointments will see a return to the bad old days. If I may digress for a minute , the rumored return of Mr Potato Head would be another nail in the coffin of the Association and LAME's in general.
A greater concern than the lack of opportunities to young LAME's is that of the AME/Apprentice. These are the future LAME's so if they don't have a future not only will their be no young LAME's their won't be to many old LAME's left.
A greater concern than the lack of opportunities to young LAME's is that of the AME/Apprentice. These are the future LAME's so if they don't have a future not only will their be no young LAME's their won't be to many old LAME's left.
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The AME'S and Apprentices have been ordered to go to the Bankstown holding yards to come and back fill the Lame postions in acs in a year or two.
How many Snr Lames from Heavy have applied for snr positions in acs over the years.... none probably, that would be why they haven't gone straight into those positions. I can't think of any that have even left the section to go to acs.How many interviews have you had Spy and for what positions?
Nepotism is when you see an apprentice go to servicing and turn tradesman one month and have him back in heavy 3 months later getting soe for the 747 400 licence course that he just sat (company provided) and have to instruct the little b@rsted on how to do the basics on a jumbo whilst you've been waiting for several years to get a course.
How did he get the course..don't know but his old man works for the company in a first floor position, could be a coincident.That's nepotism for you.
If i'm wrong about no snrs from heavy going to base maint (acs)over the years send me a pm telling me who.
How many Snr Lames from Heavy have applied for snr positions in acs over the years.... none probably, that would be why they haven't gone straight into those positions. I can't think of any that have even left the section to go to acs.How many interviews have you had Spy and for what positions?
Nepotism is when you see an apprentice go to servicing and turn tradesman one month and have him back in heavy 3 months later getting soe for the 747 400 licence course that he just sat (company provided) and have to instruct the little b@rsted on how to do the basics on a jumbo whilst you've been waiting for several years to get a course.
How did he get the course..don't know but his old man works for the company in a first floor position, could be a coincident.That's nepotism for you.
If i'm wrong about no snrs from heavy going to base maint (acs)over the years send me a pm telling me who.
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Turbo, what you just posted highlights an important fact.
Appretices, and a good number of AME's in Base maintenance, recieved all their in depth training in Heavy maintenance. Myself, for example, learnt how to find my way around Chapter 20 in mods. Likewise, I learnt a great deal about tooling and SYSTEMS in Heavy.
From memory, in base/line, I learnt quick fixes and what part number light globes to fit in various locations.
Quote from an Line Avionics LAME to the toolcrib operator:
It's not his fault, it's just the nature of the game in Base/Line.
Appretices, and a good number of AME's in Base maintenance, recieved all their in depth training in Heavy maintenance. Myself, for example, learnt how to find my way around Chapter 20 in mods. Likewise, I learnt a great deal about tooling and SYSTEMS in Heavy.
From memory, in base/line, I learnt quick fixes and what part number light globes to fit in various locations.
Quote from an Line Avionics LAME to the toolcrib operator:
"I need the crimp tool for fire loop connectors"
Toolcrib operator: "RB211 or CF6"?
Line Avionics LAME:"I don't know"
Toolcrib operator: "what's the rego"?
Line Avionics LAME:"OJ#"
Toolcrib operator: "That's an RB211. You will have to look up the tooling in Chapter 20"
Line Avionics LAME:"We don't have time for that kind of thing"
.... this is an actual example of what I once experienced whilst at the toolcrib counter. Looking up the tooling takes less than 2 minutes. What the line LAME meant to say was "I don't know how to use chapter 20".It's not his fault, it's just the nature of the game in Base/Line.
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Originally Posted by Turbo 5B
The AME'S and Apprentices have been ordered to go to the Bankstown holding yards to come and back fill the Lame postions in acs in a year or two.
, and then comming back and filling LAME postions when they have had no experience on the A/C due to there "permanent holding" at Bankstown, as usual i would beleive it when i see it.
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From memory, in base/line, I learnt quick fixes and what part number light globes to fit in various locations