QF HEAVY MAINTENANCE STAFF JOB OFFERS OUT TODAY.
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With the majority of positions in ACS so far going to HM supervisors is it little wonder the guys are peed off. Haveing overseered the demise of HM is it now their intention to work their magic in ACS? The workplace changes and improvements obviously mean nothing to management so bring in a new team, slash and burn a bit more until there is no more room for improvement and then sell off the rest of the buisness because its uneconomical. A lot of changes for everone. Get used to it or get out.
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There are certainly a lot of acting senior LAMES/senior LAMEs/supervisors who are very disillusioned about the heavy guys getting the large majority of supervisory positions in Base Maintenance.
All of these guys have been doing the job for years and they don't even get a look in for promotion in their own section.
Progression is slow at the best of times and with very little training forecast, the mood is very glum.
I'm afraid its every man for himself these days and I would't be expecting the heavy guys to receive a lot of assistance from the Base people who perceive themselves to be done out of a promotion.
Well done QF. You have succesfully disposed of half your LAME workforce and completely disillusioned the other half.
All of these guys have been doing the job for years and they don't even get a look in for promotion in their own section.
Progression is slow at the best of times and with very little training forecast, the mood is very glum.
I'm afraid its every man for himself these days and I would't be expecting the heavy guys to receive a lot of assistance from the Base people who perceive themselves to be done out of a promotion.
Well done QF. You have succesfully disposed of half your LAME workforce and completely disillusioned the other half.
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the new leading hands will remove the job cards place them on a board.
hand out the cards to suitable licenced enginners. when completed they will be moved to the completed rack.
any technical problems solutitons will be found in AMM
leading hands will not leave card crib
aircraft to be completed befour moving to next aircraft
this is how acs will work in future
hand out the cards to suitable licenced enginners. when completed they will be moved to the completed rack.
any technical problems solutitons will be found in AMM
leading hands will not leave card crib
aircraft to be completed befour moving to next aircraft
this is how acs will work in future
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QF1,
ACS guy's aren't happy about the supervisory positions going to HM guys, but you seem to have the ****'s with all of ACS? Is this just because you haven't been offered anything? I hope you do get offered an ACS position so you can eat some humble pie, when you find out what the ACS guy's really have to do day to day.
I have no doubt the HM guys coming over are capable. Your all welcome and I think you'll find there's already plenty of ex-HM guy's, esp in Base ACS who have made the move and adjusted to ACS life.
I know the way you currently work is S_L_O_W and methodical, which may suit the HM operation, but I think you'll find ACS get's alot of work done in the time given and it wont take you guy's long to get up to speed with a little support.
The Snr LAME's and Supervisors though, may find support a little thin on the ground.
In regard's to 12hr shifts, you just try and work 12hr shifts consistently with only two 26 min breaks and see how you cope, and go ahead and try to have your two breaks at the same time every shift. What's that? the A/C has to depart at 11 and you want the engine run done at 10, my twenty 26 min break starts now at ten, sorry it will have to be late!
How many time's have you started at six and had your first break at 1.30!
Hey the next day might be pretty light and be able to have three breaks, it's called flexibility!
ACS guy's aren't happy about the supervisory positions going to HM guys, but you seem to have the ****'s with all of ACS? Is this just because you haven't been offered anything? I hope you do get offered an ACS position so you can eat some humble pie, when you find out what the ACS guy's really have to do day to day.
I have no doubt the HM guys coming over are capable. Your all welcome and I think you'll find there's already plenty of ex-HM guy's, esp in Base ACS who have made the move and adjusted to ACS life.
I know the way you currently work is S_L_O_W and methodical, which may suit the HM operation, but I think you'll find ACS get's alot of work done in the time given and it wont take you guy's long to get up to speed with a little support.
The Snr LAME's and Supervisors though, may find support a little thin on the ground.
In regard's to 12hr shifts, you just try and work 12hr shifts consistently with only two 26 min breaks and see how you cope, and go ahead and try to have your two breaks at the same time every shift. What's that? the A/C has to depart at 11 and you want the engine run done at 10, my twenty 26 min break starts now at ten, sorry it will have to be late!
How many time's have you started at six and had your first break at 1.30!
Hey the next day might be pretty light and be able to have three breaks, it's called flexibility!
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Geezuz! Having worked in Base maintenance and terminal during my apprenticeship and on one or two swaps for a few months, I must say the work is no more or less challenging than it is in Heavy maintenance. (From an avionics point of view, anyway). We do not work slowly in heavy. We also have time constraints at the end of the check, and usually, that's when problems show up.
I can't understand this bickering over who is more of a "gun"... the base/acs engineer or the heavy engineer.
There are guns in Heavy, there are guns in base, there are guns on line....
likewise, each section has its share of oxygen thieving drop kicks too.
P.S. Will a Woomera ban me again for this post? I used the word "gun" four times.
I can't understand this bickering over who is more of a "gun"... the base/acs engineer or the heavy engineer.
There are guns in Heavy, there are guns in base, there are guns on line....
likewise, each section has its share of oxygen thieving drop kicks too.
P.S. Will a Woomera ban me again for this post? I used the word "gun" four times.
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P.S. Will a Woomera ban me again for this post? I used the word "gun" four times.
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There are guns in Heavy, there are guns in base, there are guns on line....
likewise, each section has its share of oxygen thieving drop kicks too.
likewise, each section has its share of oxygen thieving drop kicks too.
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Silverado get over yourself,first off i haven't but in for redopleyment because i have had a gut full of Qantas,i'm moving onto bigger and better things,and yes we do things methodically so you guys in Base have it easier with fleet reliability,so once you start to recieve those aircraft from Avalon,China,Singapore and where ever the hell else keith decides to send the aircraft,your breaks should get even less.
As for the seniors coming over to ACS and taking your positions well thats GREAT because these people have allready proven themselves for years in their current department and positions as seniors( GET OVER YOURSELVES )
And lastly if you are stupid enough to work through your breaks well you truely are a bit THICK.BYE
Woomera Edit. Strike 3, you're out!
As for the seniors coming over to ACS and taking your positions well thats GREAT because these people have allready proven themselves for years in their current department and positions as seniors( GET OVER YOURSELVES )
And lastly if you are stupid enough to work through your breaks well you truely are a bit THICK.BYE
Woomera Edit. Strike 3, you're out!
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hay why don't all you hot shots in ACS apply for those Senior positions down at Avalon,they would love all that experience you guys claim to have,if your all so hot they should snap you up quick smart,there is still another 20 senior positions left
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OUCH!
Some raw nerves exposed here.
Anyone in ACS that is unhappy with snrs from heavy getting to apply for a snrs position in ACS is wellcome to swap places with me in heavy maintenance and apply from there.
QF1 dont forget symantec.
AMM, FIM, DDG,srm, boeing fleet, its all just manual reading.
ps Silverado , if you dont like the shift put your hand up and take a break frm the rat race.
Some raw nerves exposed here.
Anyone in ACS that is unhappy with snrs from heavy getting to apply for a snrs position in ACS is wellcome to swap places with me in heavy maintenance and apply from there.
QF1 dont forget symantec.
AMM, FIM, DDG,srm, boeing fleet, its all just manual reading.
ps Silverado , if you dont like the shift put your hand up and take a break frm the rat race.
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Ahh, there is such strength in unity. If you think someone is so much better off apply for that position or make your own better. Knifing your comrades will not help.
Are you in denial that we are all made up of each other, and that we all need each other? Sadly Line guys will now receive the problems of outsourced Heavy Maint. Not by there choice either. Even twits would not want it this way.
There are plenty of ex heavy blokes in Line, and in the past Line guys have joined Heavy to avoid bad shifts. Are you all that proud to have your strings well and truly played by Geoff and co to destroy your own? Sadly this culture has manifested so badly delusional d##k h#### see it as the only way to get ahead is to suck up to this deceitful and criminal mismanagement in this dog eat dog department/ airline.
Embarrass the management for their poor skill, really are they that thick or is it just short-sighted greed?
You currently have the opportunity to now elect a new exec who will actually support its members. Given the poor position they have been left with it will not be easy, but at least it will be with sincerity, unity and directed for the members. Maybe even return the industry to a place enjoyable to work.
Are you in denial that we are all made up of each other, and that we all need each other? Sadly Line guys will now receive the problems of outsourced Heavy Maint. Not by there choice either. Even twits would not want it this way.
There are plenty of ex heavy blokes in Line, and in the past Line guys have joined Heavy to avoid bad shifts. Are you all that proud to have your strings well and truly played by Geoff and co to destroy your own? Sadly this culture has manifested so badly delusional d##k h#### see it as the only way to get ahead is to suck up to this deceitful and criminal mismanagement in this dog eat dog department/ airline.
Embarrass the management for their poor skill, really are they that thick or is it just short-sighted greed?
You currently have the opportunity to now elect a new exec who will actually support its members. Given the poor position they have been left with it will not be easy, but at least it will be with sincerity, unity and directed for the members. Maybe even return the industry to a place enjoyable to work.
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qf1,
I agree with your thoughts on avalon and O/S MRO's, we already get A/C straight out of a HM check with defects that should have been fixed.
I didn't say the senors coming to ACS haven't proven themselves, but it is a different ball game that takes time to adjust, with out any support it will take them awhile.
This is one comment from an ACS supervisor "bring the seniors over as LAME's and if they show they have the mustard, then they will be promoted before long anyway"
The seniors in ACS wouldn't have a clue how to run a crew in HM except the ex HM guys.
If all the guy's in base dropped their tools and went for their break at the allocated time every day, Base would be facing closure aswell.
Base isn't safe, that's why all has to be done to be competitive.
I saw the writing on the wall in HM six years ago, I wasn't going down with a sinking ship and I sure as hell am going to try to keep ACS afloat.
Anyway goodluck to all you guys finding life after Qantas. Its a shame a good product wasn't enough to keep SYD HM open.
I agree with your thoughts on avalon and O/S MRO's, we already get A/C straight out of a HM check with defects that should have been fixed.
I didn't say the senors coming to ACS haven't proven themselves, but it is a different ball game that takes time to adjust, with out any support it will take them awhile.
This is one comment from an ACS supervisor "bring the seniors over as LAME's and if they show they have the mustard, then they will be promoted before long anyway"
The seniors in ACS wouldn't have a clue how to run a crew in HM except the ex HM guys.
If all the guy's in base dropped their tools and went for their break at the allocated time every day, Base would be facing closure aswell.
Base isn't safe, that's why all has to be done to be competitive.
I saw the writing on the wall in HM six years ago, I wasn't going down with a sinking ship and I sure as hell am going to try to keep ACS afloat.
Anyway goodluck to all you guys finding life after Qantas. Its a shame a good product wasn't enough to keep SYD HM open.
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Why are so many of the positions availible in Avv and line not open to Base personel? Why were the HM guys given assistance with resume writing, interview techniques and such when this assistance wasn't given to Base. While I sympathise with HM and their predicament shouldn't the best person for the job be employed not the person with the best interview technique. It was plain to see that most of the jobs were going to go to HM so why make people jump through hoops when there was no chance of them being selected.
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Its not what you know its which arse you kiss and how hard you kiss it and theres some real arse kissing going on at AVV.
And Re : HM guys given assistance with resume writing who do QF think all these guy,s are going to be able to submit these to.
And Re : HM guys given assistance with resume writing who do QF think all these guy,s are going to be able to submit these to.
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god speed
may all the heavy guys have all the help they need in their new positions.But to sit here and read the absolute backstabbing and bitching over job offers gets my goat .If you dont want a job then you can take your money and run, but dont expect a sympathetic ear from any acs guys that have just been shafted royally after umpteen years of nightshift and loyalty to what will now become a section of cant do.the anomosity will surely pass and you will be welcomed into the 4 am rituals of sleep deprivation with open arms. just have the right answers when your aircraft cant make sched
cheers
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I think you'll find that a large amount of the backstabbing and bitching is coming from your camp. Probably caused by 4am sleep deprivation.
Also it was Great to see Keith Clarke having his photo taken last night as we pulled the last A/C out of the Hangar. It was him and the HR Bimbo's.
He didn't offer any of the troops a photo op. Nothing like a good gloat from the top.
Also it was Great to see Keith Clarke having his photo taken last night as we pulled the last A/C out of the Hangar. It was him and the HR Bimbo's.
He didn't offer any of the troops a photo op. Nothing like a good gloat from the top.
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I really hope no one who wants a job is shown the door.
Not wanting to fuel the fire of HM vs ACS apparently some managers are not impressed by the calibre of applicants for ACS jobs.
Not sure how they come to this conclusion, but rumour has it that the number of EOI received will not be filled with HM staff.
Typical QANTAS. People that want to work may lose their jobs, whilst people who dont want to work for them anymore will be kept on.
Hope that all our HM colleagues get what they want
Not wanting to fuel the fire of HM vs ACS apparently some managers are not impressed by the calibre of applicants for ACS jobs.
Not sure how they come to this conclusion, but rumour has it that the number of EOI received will not be filled with HM staff.
Typical QANTAS. People that want to work may lose their jobs, whilst people who dont want to work for them anymore will be kept on.
Hope that all our HM colleagues get what they want