Blue skies for Qantas in new workplace laws
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Yes, I am a union member. (Aparently, a "crime" in some eyes). However, my fear of the IR reforms has nothing to do with so called union power.
My fear of the reforms are that all the hard work that I have done in the passed, the overtime, the extra bit here and there will no longer be rewarded.
Doing this extra bit in the passed, has enabled me to save enough money to finally be in a position to buy my own home. It has enabled me to use Australias generous leave and public holidays to travel....and I have afforded this through doing that bit extra and being rewarded for it.
Under the reforms, Howard wants me to do that bit extra for no reward, thus keeping the reward in Dixons pocket. (Not shareholders... DIXONS. We all know that the fatter QF gets, the fatter Dixon gets).
No longer will the average Aussie be able to enjoy life. We now must work extra hard for NO reward. We will no longer be experiencing life. We will be enduring survival.
More coins kept in the shiny white bucket at the expense of the well worn blue bucket.
My fear of the reforms are that all the hard work that I have done in the passed, the overtime, the extra bit here and there will no longer be rewarded.
Doing this extra bit in the passed, has enabled me to save enough money to finally be in a position to buy my own home. It has enabled me to use Australias generous leave and public holidays to travel....and I have afforded this through doing that bit extra and being rewarded for it.
Under the reforms, Howard wants me to do that bit extra for no reward, thus keeping the reward in Dixons pocket. (Not shareholders... DIXONS. We all know that the fatter QF gets, the fatter Dixon gets).
No longer will the average Aussie be able to enjoy life. We now must work extra hard for NO reward. We will no longer be experiencing life. We will be enduring survival.
More coins kept in the shiny white bucket at the expense of the well worn blue bucket.
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Wal-Mart Airlines?
Hmmm thinks GoD!
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php
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Hmmm thinks GoD!
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php
http://www.walmartmovie.com/diane_devoy.php
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hoWARd would love to have that as the new flag!
Just wait for all the "converters" when hoWARd decides that "market forces" decide that drivers should work weekends/public holidays/ETA 3am but should only receive 4 weeks annual leave instead of 6.
Oh, how many new "Greens" and other weirdo's will surface, eh Pass a Frozo.
But where are those Weapons of Mass Deception"???????????
hoWARd would love to have that as the new flag!
Just wait for all the "converters" when hoWARd decides that "market forces" decide that drivers should work weekends/public holidays/ETA 3am but should only receive 4 weeks annual leave instead of 6.
Oh, how many new "Greens" and other weirdo's will surface, eh Pass a Frozo.
But where are those Weapons of Mass Deception"???????????
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If you can handle a 104mB download (or the lo-res smaller file), have a look at this Video Doc called 'We' by 2004 Sydney Peace Prize & 1997 Booker Prize winner Arundhati Roy.
It is, in my view, a nice summation of all we should be thinking about with respect to the unsustainable corporatisation of our world.
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It is, in my view, a nice summation of all we should be thinking about with respect to the unsustainable corporatisation of our world.
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That young women just crystalised every nagging doubt and outright distrust I have ever had about Globalisation, GWB and T.W.A.T.
That she is able to foresee some sort of great undoing is admirable...but it will probably not be in our lifetimes....and what damage will be done in the meantime?
It also answers the question I have had of late...Why does mainstream media NEVER ask the hard questions...the greatest reason I can see for fighting cross media ownership, read monopolies, by politically 'connected' billionaire multinational (those who take up nationalities of convenience...i.e US citizenship) media moguls....the never ask and pursue answers to the hard questions.
Take also Hollywood as an example of mass brainwashing....EVERY SINGLE war that the US has fought, or supplied those who were fighting (Mujahadeen/Taliban anyone) since WW2 has had a rash of War movies that paint America as the great altruistic saviours of the poor down-trodden masses...the Rambo movies are a classic example of this.....movies are in production as I type about 911...want to lay bets that the big movie moguls and the US Govt have decided the US population need a little reminding about 'What this is all about" at a time when the average US Citizen is waivering in their resolve to support the lunatic right of US politics...and the multinational corporations that put them there and keep them there?
This, Hollywood brainwashing, is the main reason the US Govt has no end of volunteers ready to go to various places that just happen to have oil and chant "Burn muthafcker burn".
Even the UN is in on the deal....witness the food for oil scandals of late....anyone still wonder why the UN has singularly and spectacularly failed to intervene in a timely fashion let alone stop ANY WAR of any size since it's inception?
They'd rather haggle over the meaning of genocide while entire populations are wiped out in Darfor....and studiously ignore Rwanda until caught out and embarrassed into some semblance of a response that is way to little, way to late to ever be characterised as 'action'
Likewise they are obviously to busy to do much about Mugabe who is at least as big of a fckwit as Saddam but lacks the crude oil reserves necesary to focus the minds of the 'world leaders'.
What a truely fcked up world we will be handing to our children.
I recently watched Donald Sutherland interviewed on BBC World...His passionate distrust of the current US Govt and Globalisation was inspiring..in a part of the interview that wandered onto the subject of his activism over a lifetime he was moved to tears as he stated with unmasked fury "What right do we have...WHAT RIGHT!!!...what about our children?"
Chuck.
That she is able to foresee some sort of great undoing is admirable...but it will probably not be in our lifetimes....and what damage will be done in the meantime?
It also answers the question I have had of late...Why does mainstream media NEVER ask the hard questions...the greatest reason I can see for fighting cross media ownership, read monopolies, by politically 'connected' billionaire multinational (those who take up nationalities of convenience...i.e US citizenship) media moguls....the never ask and pursue answers to the hard questions.
Take also Hollywood as an example of mass brainwashing....EVERY SINGLE war that the US has fought, or supplied those who were fighting (Mujahadeen/Taliban anyone) since WW2 has had a rash of War movies that paint America as the great altruistic saviours of the poor down-trodden masses...the Rambo movies are a classic example of this.....movies are in production as I type about 911...want to lay bets that the big movie moguls and the US Govt have decided the US population need a little reminding about 'What this is all about" at a time when the average US Citizen is waivering in their resolve to support the lunatic right of US politics...and the multinational corporations that put them there and keep them there?
This, Hollywood brainwashing, is the main reason the US Govt has no end of volunteers ready to go to various places that just happen to have oil and chant "Burn muthafcker burn".
Even the UN is in on the deal....witness the food for oil scandals of late....anyone still wonder why the UN has singularly and spectacularly failed to intervene in a timely fashion let alone stop ANY WAR of any size since it's inception?
They'd rather haggle over the meaning of genocide while entire populations are wiped out in Darfor....and studiously ignore Rwanda until caught out and embarrassed into some semblance of a response that is way to little, way to late to ever be characterised as 'action'
Likewise they are obviously to busy to do much about Mugabe who is at least as big of a fckwit as Saddam but lacks the crude oil reserves necesary to focus the minds of the 'world leaders'.
What a truely fcked up world we will be handing to our children.
I recently watched Donald Sutherland interviewed on BBC World...His passionate distrust of the current US Govt and Globalisation was inspiring..in a part of the interview that wandered onto the subject of his activism over a lifetime he was moved to tears as he stated with unmasked fury "What right do we have...WHAT RIGHT!!!...what about our children?"
Chuck.
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Afraid I don't share your pessimism Chimbu. Watch what America does in the next three or four years. They are finally starting to realise that Bush is the worst President ever.
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As regards to not asking the hard questions, the media let a beauty through to the keeper a few weeks ago when they questioned Costello on the need for IR reform.
The gist of the answer was that they anticipate the labour market to tighten and push up costs to business, thereby reducing competitiveness.
So, what this king of free market values is saying, is that the only market where the average person may soon actually have an some sort of advantage, needs to be radically altered so it can't happen.
Not a peep from the media. So much for free markets. Free only when they benefit big business. The working slobs must be kept down at all costs.
Roll on 2007.
The gist of the answer was that they anticipate the labour market to tighten and push up costs to business, thereby reducing competitiveness.
So, what this king of free market values is saying, is that the only market where the average person may soon actually have an some sort of advantage, needs to be radically altered so it can't happen.
Not a peep from the media. So much for free markets. Free only when they benefit big business. The working slobs must be kept down at all costs.
Roll on 2007.
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This is my first ever post on PPruNe. I occasionally browse through the forums, but have never felt the desire to make a post until now.
I have always voted Liberal, or at least for someone who would pass a preference on to them. However I will not be voting for them at the next election (and that’s something I thought I would never say).
Coitus is obviously an educated person. I’m a pilot and I like to think that I do my job professionally. What do you do Coitus? I’m guessing by your flowery posts that when you weren’t in an English class you spent most of your youth at ‘Young Liberals’ gatherings and read Shakespeare whilst on the toilet (sorry - bathroom commode). I unfortunately spent far too much time dreaming about being a pilot and flying – so please forgive me Coitus for all my grammatical errors and spellin’ mistakes.
Look I’m sorry Coitus if this feels like a personal attack. However this new legislation feels like a personal attack on me. And besides you do sound oh so pious.
The Liberals are by far the better managers of the economy, few would disagree, but they seem to lack compassion. It certainly feels as though Howard is the Governor for the US state of Australia. Yes, the US is a very wealthy nation, but I reckon they (collectively) suck.
I have a good mate who is a Jet F/O over there – working his r!ng off for pocket money – And no he doesn’t get six weeks Annual leave a year, he gets just one for the first two years and from then on he only gets two (no public holidays either).
I have worked in union and non-union workplaces (not always as a pilot). In the past I felt that they had too much power. Every non-union environment that I have worked in, we all worked longer, got pushed around more, paid inappropriately and generally scr*wed. So I have concluded that we need unions, but there needs to be a balance.
I now work for the Qantas BRAND. I have heard people call some unions militant, but these people are militant management. I have never worked for a more mean- spirited and aggressive bunch. If the Qantas BRAND is the spirit of Australia, then God help us as a nation. From my limited experience, about the only time Mr Dixon smiles is when his staff is being scr*wed (especially his P.A. if the rumours are true). I bet he had a face like a split watermelon all weekend after the new IR laws got passed (Like a smelly fart that they are). I will lay it out for you Coitus, you can argue all you wish – If Qantas support it (or even like it) then that’s good enough reason for me not to like it – IT HAS TO BE BAD.
Time to sleep now (while I still can!)
I have always voted Liberal, or at least for someone who would pass a preference on to them. However I will not be voting for them at the next election (and that’s something I thought I would never say).
Coitus is obviously an educated person. I’m a pilot and I like to think that I do my job professionally. What do you do Coitus? I’m guessing by your flowery posts that when you weren’t in an English class you spent most of your youth at ‘Young Liberals’ gatherings and read Shakespeare whilst on the toilet (sorry - bathroom commode). I unfortunately spent far too much time dreaming about being a pilot and flying – so please forgive me Coitus for all my grammatical errors and spellin’ mistakes.
Look I’m sorry Coitus if this feels like a personal attack. However this new legislation feels like a personal attack on me. And besides you do sound oh so pious.
The Liberals are by far the better managers of the economy, few would disagree, but they seem to lack compassion. It certainly feels as though Howard is the Governor for the US state of Australia. Yes, the US is a very wealthy nation, but I reckon they (collectively) suck.
I have a good mate who is a Jet F/O over there – working his r!ng off for pocket money – And no he doesn’t get six weeks Annual leave a year, he gets just one for the first two years and from then on he only gets two (no public holidays either).
I have worked in union and non-union workplaces (not always as a pilot). In the past I felt that they had too much power. Every non-union environment that I have worked in, we all worked longer, got pushed around more, paid inappropriately and generally scr*wed. So I have concluded that we need unions, but there needs to be a balance.
I now work for the Qantas BRAND. I have heard people call some unions militant, but these people are militant management. I have never worked for a more mean- spirited and aggressive bunch. If the Qantas BRAND is the spirit of Australia, then God help us as a nation. From my limited experience, about the only time Mr Dixon smiles is when his staff is being scr*wed (especially his P.A. if the rumours are true). I bet he had a face like a split watermelon all weekend after the new IR laws got passed (Like a smelly fart that they are). I will lay it out for you Coitus, you can argue all you wish – If Qantas support it (or even like it) then that’s good enough reason for me not to like it – IT HAS TO BE BAD.
Time to sleep now (while I still can!)
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Sunfish do you really think getting rid of Bush junior will change the overall course of the US?
I wish I could find it to post here...it was a speech made by a retired US senior officer about how he had fought a life time of wars and basically been a dressed up gangster on behalf of big business...written about 100 yrs ago.
As the young lady in the above link states with great accuracy...The most 'peacefull nation on earth' has been at war for over 50 yrs....been a lot of Presidents in that time of both political persuasions...doesn't seem to have made a huge difference in the country's overall direction.
If the only thing Globalisation meant was exporting America's economic system (working poor etc...see the Walmart links) that would be bad enough. But they, as a nation, could be quite accurately discribed as a rogue state and the greatest exporter of terrorism the world has ever seen...several billion people in South America, Asia and Africa certainly hold that view...and with some justification in my view.
Yes they were instrumental in stopping Hitler...but look at the sum of what they have done in the third world since...it beggars belief that a nation that prides itself as being the repository of all that is 'good' in a vibrant democracy and free market economy has been so supportive of tyrants in South America and The Middle East.
In my view there is a yawning gulf between American's view of themselves and the reality that their Govt and Big Business practices.
cutest of borg.
You're right...I have noticed the same thing several times in the last year or more.
It's Ok for management wages to accelerate at multiples of inflation approaching 10 and it's ok for shareholders returns to be artificially maintained at double digits but if the average employee's wages creep up at something APPROACHING inflation the world will end.
And speaking about inflation...they keep changing the basket of comodities that are used to calculate it and then tell us the 'underlying' rate of inflation is x%....when everything we need in our daily lives...accomadation, petrol, food, clothes etc has been going up at double digit rates of inflation for years.....who do they think they are kidding? And the 'media' drop the ball over and over.
I wish I could find it to post here...it was a speech made by a retired US senior officer about how he had fought a life time of wars and basically been a dressed up gangster on behalf of big business...written about 100 yrs ago.
As the young lady in the above link states with great accuracy...The most 'peacefull nation on earth' has been at war for over 50 yrs....been a lot of Presidents in that time of both political persuasions...doesn't seem to have made a huge difference in the country's overall direction.
If the only thing Globalisation meant was exporting America's economic system (working poor etc...see the Walmart links) that would be bad enough. But they, as a nation, could be quite accurately discribed as a rogue state and the greatest exporter of terrorism the world has ever seen...several billion people in South America, Asia and Africa certainly hold that view...and with some justification in my view.
Yes they were instrumental in stopping Hitler...but look at the sum of what they have done in the third world since...it beggars belief that a nation that prides itself as being the repository of all that is 'good' in a vibrant democracy and free market economy has been so supportive of tyrants in South America and The Middle East.
In my view there is a yawning gulf between American's view of themselves and the reality that their Govt and Big Business practices.
cutest of borg.
You're right...I have noticed the same thing several times in the last year or more.
It's Ok for management wages to accelerate at multiples of inflation approaching 10 and it's ok for shareholders returns to be artificially maintained at double digits but if the average employee's wages creep up at something APPROACHING inflation the world will end.
And speaking about inflation...they keep changing the basket of comodities that are used to calculate it and then tell us the 'underlying' rate of inflation is x%....when everything we need in our daily lives...accomadation, petrol, food, clothes etc has been going up at double digit rates of inflation for years.....who do they think they are kidding? And the 'media' drop the ball over and over.
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Ladies and Gentleman. The "terror" laws were passed through parliment last night.
Howard can officially walk all over us with the IR laws now and lock up anyone who dares to speak out againsed him. Anyone who dares protest in the street to bring down the Liberal Govt.
Congratulations to all those that voted for Howard.... we are now officially rooted.
So is this what the "fight againsed terrorism" was all about? Facilitating heavy handed laws to gag anyone that dares suggest its time to change our leaders?
Howard can officially walk all over us with the IR laws now and lock up anyone who dares to speak out againsed him. Anyone who dares protest in the street to bring down the Liberal Govt.
Congratulations to all those that voted for Howard.... we are now officially rooted.
So is this what the "fight againsed terrorism" was all about? Facilitating heavy handed laws to gag anyone that dares suggest its time to change our leaders?
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'War is a racket"
Chimbu - is this what you're referring to?
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
WRT IR Laws.
Those that believe that the working person - and that is the majority of us - will be better off under these new laws really has problems with reality.
Before unions and the conditions that UNIFIED WORKING PEOPLE struggled for and won, companies had people - including CHILDREN - working in dirty, dangerous and poorly paid jobs.
What make you think that they would act any differently these days if they weren't FORCED to?
http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
WRT IR Laws.
Those that believe that the working person - and that is the majority of us - will be better off under these new laws really has problems with reality.
Before unions and the conditions that UNIFIED WORKING PEOPLE struggled for and won, companies had people - including CHILDREN - working in dirty, dangerous and poorly paid jobs.
What make you think that they would act any differently these days if they weren't FORCED to?
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Before unions and the conditions that UNIFIED WORKING PEOPLE struggled for and won, companies had people - including CHILDREN - working in dirty, dangerous and poorly paid jobs.
What make you think that they would act any differently these days if they weren't FORCED to?
What make you think that they would act any differently these days if they weren't FORCED to?
Col. Kurtz: You comment has to take the prize for the most ridiculous left wing scare mongering I've seen to date on Pprune. . Yes of course, John Howard wants your 10 year old children working the mines again.
As usual, you seem to all believe management is over paid and going to do nothing but try screw you over. Well how about you firstly do a management course and see what they are actually taught regarding labour relations, then become a manager. It seems a lot of you think they get money for nothing - why not join them then???
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I'd be proud as punch if my first born could make it in the chimney sweeping game by the age of five. Either that or become a pick pocket.
Hopefully my boss will spend Christmas Eve travelling through time to learn how ghastly my family circumstances are because of his miserly conduct, and have a change of heart and let me join a union.
We are talking about 19th century Britain aren't we?
Hopefully my boss will spend Christmas Eve travelling through time to learn how ghastly my family circumstances are because of his miserly conduct, and have a change of heart and let me join a union.
We are talking about 19th century Britain aren't we?
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Great idea ass-a-frozo... we all become managers! Who then will do the work?
If I went of and attendended a management cours, it would just make me more angry to hear the viscious and disgusting ideals that they are taught to push onto the workers.
If I went of and attendended a management cours, it would just make me more angry to hear the viscious and disgusting ideals that they are taught to push onto the workers.
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America in Decline
America's status as the pre emminent world power has been in decline for several years now .
It is accelerating under Bush.
China is on the rise.
Give it another ten to fifteen years and the US will be nothing more than a second rate power with enormous social and financial problems.
We are tying ourselves to the wrong coat tails.
It is accelerating under Bush.
China is on the rise.
Give it another ten to fifteen years and the US will be nothing more than a second rate power with enormous social and financial problems.
We are tying ourselves to the wrong coat tails.
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Agreed...while I disliked almost everything Paul Keating ever said or stood for I would agree with his "we are an Asian country' rhetoric.
Now if we can just find some politicians with individual thought, intellectual honesty and a backbone...
Oh well
Now if we can just find some politicians with individual thought, intellectual honesty and a backbone...
Oh well
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Agree 100%.
Paul Keating?
..... umm, at the time, hated the guy.
However, many say, the only reason Australia has been doing so well over the last 10+ years is due to the reforms the Keating Government actually had the balls to do at the time, even if it did cost them government.
I tend to agree.
But of course hoWARd likes to take the credit for it all.
What reforms has hoWARd had the balls to undertake?
1. GST - has provided the government with huge surpluses!
2. So far, 2 huge tax breaks for people who earn a decent income, ie. if you earn 100K - 2 nice tax breaks, if you earn 200K, then you had better blow him.
3. Getting 60% of the Aussie workforce to bend over and cop a right hard Rogering without lube so that the Aussie economy grows 2% and looks good for the next election.
Gee this "Deputy Sheriff" has got so much imagination?
If I ran into Keating these days, I would buy him a beer. If I ran into hoWARd or his loser mate, Lord Downer of Bagdad, I would not ............................................................ !
Agree 100%.
Paul Keating?
..... umm, at the time, hated the guy.
However, many say, the only reason Australia has been doing so well over the last 10+ years is due to the reforms the Keating Government actually had the balls to do at the time, even if it did cost them government.
I tend to agree.
But of course hoWARd likes to take the credit for it all.
What reforms has hoWARd had the balls to undertake?
1. GST - has provided the government with huge surpluses!
2. So far, 2 huge tax breaks for people who earn a decent income, ie. if you earn 100K - 2 nice tax breaks, if you earn 200K, then you had better blow him.
3. Getting 60% of the Aussie workforce to bend over and cop a right hard Rogering without lube so that the Aussie economy grows 2% and looks good for the next election.
Gee this "Deputy Sheriff" has got so much imagination?
If I ran into Keating these days, I would buy him a beer. If I ran into hoWARd or his loser mate, Lord Downer of Bagdad, I would not ............................................................ !
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Well public servant Pass-A-Frozo , some of us do have qualifications. Some of us have run our own businesses, sucessfully.
What have you done? Been in the public employ, gone through ADFA?
Having been an employer both in and outside aviation I have employed and been employed. I don't like where these changes are going. Having studied just what these "managers" learn doesn't change anything except confirm that it is flawed. Managers at Qantas have no integrity it does not generate a bonus. It does not pay to make a long term decision.
Being at the Rat is like being in the US a business cycle ago where guys like The Chainsaw cuts swathes through perfectly viable businesses in the pursuit of short term gain...
If you were in fact flying for the Rat you would see the reality of aggressive short sighted mangement. Cutting of service quality, across every facet of the organisation. Aggression aimed at workforce that was by and large proud to be there... It isn't pretty and most of us are crying out for a positive change.. It is short term aggressive management, ably assisted by an ideologically driven conceited government.
As COB alluded to, the tightening of the job market, even at the rat the projections are such that the system will struggle with the retirements of the baby boomers..This is the true aim of the "reforms". Limiting the ability of workers to improve their conditions...Would have been nice if good policy had been put to the electorate..
What have you done? Been in the public employ, gone through ADFA?
Having been an employer both in and outside aviation I have employed and been employed. I don't like where these changes are going. Having studied just what these "managers" learn doesn't change anything except confirm that it is flawed. Managers at Qantas have no integrity it does not generate a bonus. It does not pay to make a long term decision.
Being at the Rat is like being in the US a business cycle ago where guys like The Chainsaw cuts swathes through perfectly viable businesses in the pursuit of short term gain...
If you were in fact flying for the Rat you would see the reality of aggressive short sighted mangement. Cutting of service quality, across every facet of the organisation. Aggression aimed at workforce that was by and large proud to be there... It isn't pretty and most of us are crying out for a positive change.. It is short term aggressive management, ably assisted by an ideologically driven conceited government.
As COB alluded to, the tightening of the job market, even at the rat the projections are such that the system will struggle with the retirements of the baby boomers..This is the true aim of the "reforms". Limiting the ability of workers to improve their conditions...Would have been nice if good policy had been put to the electorate..
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Just an observation ( from a mad leftie!).
This thread a year ago or even 2 years ago would have had a lot more defenders of the incumbent federal administration.
But I sense the broader criticism is now squarely at them (apart from the regular PPrune neo-cons).
In the last week I have had dealings with my solicitor, my accountant, and fellow business owners - almost all of them were previously neutral on their view of the government - without prompting from me, they are now all firmly of the view that the power has gone to their head. Hubris?.
Do I detect the 'turning' finally against Howard et al.
And more importantly, will it translate at the 07 poll?
I live in hope.
[Now if we can just get a spine for Labor party from somewhere in time.]
This thread a year ago or even 2 years ago would have had a lot more defenders of the incumbent federal administration.
But I sense the broader criticism is now squarely at them (apart from the regular PPrune neo-cons).
In the last week I have had dealings with my solicitor, my accountant, and fellow business owners - almost all of them were previously neutral on their view of the government - without prompting from me, they are now all firmly of the view that the power has gone to their head. Hubris?.
Do I detect the 'turning' finally against Howard et al.
And more importantly, will it translate at the 07 poll?
I live in hope.
[Now if we can just get a spine for Labor party from somewhere in time.]
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