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Looks like they launched and are now open for booking. Press release below!
ALL-BUSINESS-CLASS AIRLINE OZJET
GETS GREEN LIGHT TO START OPERATIONS
New all-business-class airline OzJet has been granted an Air Operator’s Certificate to fly scheduled services in Australia.
OzJet, founded by Australia’s international aviation and motor racing identity Paul Stoddart, announced today that it had received its AOC from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority after an exhaustive application process.
OzJet intends to start flying scheduled services between Australia’s two biggest cities, Sydney and Melbourne, at fully-flexible economy prices from Tuesday, November 29, 2005.
It will start taking bookings though its Customer Contact Centre on telephone 1300 737 000 from 8am today as well as on its new website, www.ozjet.com.au
From Tuesday, November 15, bookings can also be made via travel agent global distribution systems. In the meantime travel agents can book via the special travel agent section on the OzJet website.
OzJet passengers in the first three months will have the chance to win rides in Formula One Two-Seater racing cars built by the Minardi team that Mr Stoddart owned for the past five years.
The airline’s advertising will feature Murray Walker, the much-loved Voice of Formula One motor racing commentary.
Mr Stoddart said that OzJet receiving its AOC was “the best day” of his aviation career, which includes operating the British-based European Aviation charter and spare parts business for almost two decades.
“To get the licence to operate an all-business-class airline in my home country, after many months and countless hours of hard work by what started as a very small OzJet team and has now grown to a size ready to start commercial operations soon, is very satisfying indeed,” Mr Stoddart said from Bournemouth in England.
“The application process with CASA has been rigorous but enormously professional and I now look forward to being in Australia for our first scheduled services between Sydney and Melbourne – one of the world’s busiest air routes – from November 29.
“OzJet intends to change the nature of business travel in Australia by offering a high-quality, time-efficient service at modest cost.
“We will offer travelers great space, comfort and service.
“The 60 business-class seats in each OzJet Boeing 737 are luxurious, there is an abundance of room to stretch your legs and read a broadsheet newspaper comfortably, and our customers can take three pieces of hand luggage, up to 20kg in total, with them in the cabin.
“We will have proper hot meals on fine chinaware and complimentary beverages with friendly and consistent great customer service.”
OzJet’s standard fare between the two capitals will be $325, with the return trip $650.
The airline intends to extend its services during 2006 to include Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra and Perth as it increases its fleet from three to up to 10 aircraft.
All OzJet planes will have seats configured 2x2 either side of the aisle, eliminating middle seats.
OzJet’s economy fares should meet the best-fare-of-the-day requirements of many business travelers, while allowing them to travel business class with a service level they could not otherwise expect.
OzJet aims to save business travelers as much as 20 per cent in time
with its Internet check-in facility, because of customers not needing to be at the airport as early,
by allowing three pieces of carry-on luggage, meaning many passengers can avoid baggage queues, and
by having the quickest disembarkation from aircraft with a maximum of only 60 passengers.
OzJet customers can also avail themselves of the most convenient and time-efficient parking options at Sydney and Melbourne airports – at Airport Valet in Sydney and Business Park (South) in Melbourne.
The airline will have check-in counters at Terminal 2 in Sydney and Terminal 3 in Melbourne.
In Sydney it will use primarily Gate 39 in Terminal 2 but also gates 38 and 40, while in Melbourne it will use Gate 12 exclusively in its initial phase.
In Melbourne it will have a ground-level Customer Service Office in front of the Business Carpark (South) and almost directly below Gate 12, allowing for quick and easy check-in and exit on return.
OzJet chief executive Hans van Pelt said the carrier wanted to become “a unique networking opportunity in the Australian skies on an airline that means business”.
“We offer compelling value by providing business-class travel for no additional cost and with a suite of additional benefits,” Mr van Pelt said.
“We have the ability to offer a different product and service to a large and growing market that is becoming more concerned with service and on-time performance.
“We have a commitment to deliver great service and to treat our customers with respect and as friends.
“Come on board to experience a business-class jet at flexible, economy prices.
“The greatest long-term advantage for OzJet is operating in an environment which other Australian airlines cannot.
“Even if our competitors try to discount fares they simply cannot match OzJet’s product.”
OzJet is fast approaching 100 staff and yesterday presented “wings” to 24 cabin crew graduates. The Customer Contact Centre staff have also completed extensive training and are on duty today to take the first bookings.
ALL-BUSINESS-CLASS AIRLINE OZJET
GETS GREEN LIGHT TO START OPERATIONS
New all-business-class airline OzJet has been granted an Air Operator’s Certificate to fly scheduled services in Australia.
OzJet, founded by Australia’s international aviation and motor racing identity Paul Stoddart, announced today that it had received its AOC from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority after an exhaustive application process.
OzJet intends to start flying scheduled services between Australia’s two biggest cities, Sydney and Melbourne, at fully-flexible economy prices from Tuesday, November 29, 2005.
It will start taking bookings though its Customer Contact Centre on telephone 1300 737 000 from 8am today as well as on its new website, www.ozjet.com.au
From Tuesday, November 15, bookings can also be made via travel agent global distribution systems. In the meantime travel agents can book via the special travel agent section on the OzJet website.
OzJet passengers in the first three months will have the chance to win rides in Formula One Two-Seater racing cars built by the Minardi team that Mr Stoddart owned for the past five years.
The airline’s advertising will feature Murray Walker, the much-loved Voice of Formula One motor racing commentary.
Mr Stoddart said that OzJet receiving its AOC was “the best day” of his aviation career, which includes operating the British-based European Aviation charter and spare parts business for almost two decades.
“To get the licence to operate an all-business-class airline in my home country, after many months and countless hours of hard work by what started as a very small OzJet team and has now grown to a size ready to start commercial operations soon, is very satisfying indeed,” Mr Stoddart said from Bournemouth in England.
“The application process with CASA has been rigorous but enormously professional and I now look forward to being in Australia for our first scheduled services between Sydney and Melbourne – one of the world’s busiest air routes – from November 29.
“OzJet intends to change the nature of business travel in Australia by offering a high-quality, time-efficient service at modest cost.
“We will offer travelers great space, comfort and service.
“The 60 business-class seats in each OzJet Boeing 737 are luxurious, there is an abundance of room to stretch your legs and read a broadsheet newspaper comfortably, and our customers can take three pieces of hand luggage, up to 20kg in total, with them in the cabin.
“We will have proper hot meals on fine chinaware and complimentary beverages with friendly and consistent great customer service.”
OzJet’s standard fare between the two capitals will be $325, with the return trip $650.
The airline intends to extend its services during 2006 to include Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra and Perth as it increases its fleet from three to up to 10 aircraft.
All OzJet planes will have seats configured 2x2 either side of the aisle, eliminating middle seats.
OzJet’s economy fares should meet the best-fare-of-the-day requirements of many business travelers, while allowing them to travel business class with a service level they could not otherwise expect.
OzJet aims to save business travelers as much as 20 per cent in time
with its Internet check-in facility, because of customers not needing to be at the airport as early,
by allowing three pieces of carry-on luggage, meaning many passengers can avoid baggage queues, and
by having the quickest disembarkation from aircraft with a maximum of only 60 passengers.
OzJet customers can also avail themselves of the most convenient and time-efficient parking options at Sydney and Melbourne airports – at Airport Valet in Sydney and Business Park (South) in Melbourne.
The airline will have check-in counters at Terminal 2 in Sydney and Terminal 3 in Melbourne.
In Sydney it will use primarily Gate 39 in Terminal 2 but also gates 38 and 40, while in Melbourne it will use Gate 12 exclusively in its initial phase.
In Melbourne it will have a ground-level Customer Service Office in front of the Business Carpark (South) and almost directly below Gate 12, allowing for quick and easy check-in and exit on return.
OzJet chief executive Hans van Pelt said the carrier wanted to become “a unique networking opportunity in the Australian skies on an airline that means business”.
“We offer compelling value by providing business-class travel for no additional cost and with a suite of additional benefits,” Mr van Pelt said.
“We have the ability to offer a different product and service to a large and growing market that is becoming more concerned with service and on-time performance.
“We have a commitment to deliver great service and to treat our customers with respect and as friends.
“Come on board to experience a business-class jet at flexible, economy prices.
“The greatest long-term advantage for OzJet is operating in an environment which other Australian airlines cannot.
“Even if our competitors try to discount fares they simply cannot match OzJet’s product.”
OzJet is fast approaching 100 staff and yesterday presented “wings” to 24 cabin crew graduates. The Customer Contact Centre staff have also completed extensive training and are on duty today to take the first bookings.
OzJet to fly on November 29
11nov05
THE newest domestic airline, OzJet, expects to begin flights by the end of the month.
The new all-business class airline has been granted an Air Operator's Certificate today from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
"OzJet intends to start flying scheduled services between Australia's two biggest cities, Sydney and Melbourne, at fully-flexible economy prices from Tuesday, November 29, 2005," OzJet said in a statement today.
The airline, run by former Minardi Formula One racing team head Paul Stoddart, said it would start taking bookings today and plans to run eight flights a day, in each direction, between Melbourne and Sydney.
"Our point of difference is going to be price," Mr Stoddart said.
OzJet's standard fare between the two capitals will be $325, with the return trip $650. p>The airline will have check-in counters at Terminal 2 in Sydney Airport and Terminal 3 in Melbourne Airport.
OzJet intends to extend its services next year to include Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra and Perth as it increases its fleet from three to up to 10 Boeing 737 aircraft, each of which will have 60 business-class seats.
11nov05
THE newest domestic airline, OzJet, expects to begin flights by the end of the month.
The new all-business class airline has been granted an Air Operator's Certificate today from the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.
"OzJet intends to start flying scheduled services between Australia's two biggest cities, Sydney and Melbourne, at fully-flexible economy prices from Tuesday, November 29, 2005," OzJet said in a statement today.
The airline, run by former Minardi Formula One racing team head Paul Stoddart, said it would start taking bookings today and plans to run eight flights a day, in each direction, between Melbourne and Sydney.
"Our point of difference is going to be price," Mr Stoddart said.
OzJet's standard fare between the two capitals will be $325, with the return trip $650. p>The airline will have check-in counters at Terminal 2 in Sydney Airport and Terminal 3 in Melbourne Airport.
OzJet intends to extend its services next year to include Brisbane, Adelaide, Canberra and Perth as it increases its fleet from three to up to 10 Boeing 737 aircraft, each of which will have 60 business-class seats.
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Will Ozjet survive ? I don't think so ! However Qantas will need to pick up its game to combat them. I recently flew to Melbourne on a 767, business end full of suits, after 20 mins standing at the baggage carousel with still no sign of our bags I approached baggage services and said "you've got 200 pissed off people waiting for their bags where are they". They replied that it had just landed. When I replied that is just bull****, I have been waiting for 20 mins at the carousel with not even an announcement, they said that they would look into it, the bags appeared about 5 minutes later.
Maybe QF management could employ a few of the people that they will use to stand around at look at how many passengers use Ozjet to actually monitor their own performance.
It so frustrating when the aircrew do a great job only to have passengers get pissed off because QF managment won't employ enough people to do the basic ground jobs.
Maybe QF management could employ a few of the people that they will use to stand around at look at how many passengers use Ozjet to actually monitor their own performance.
It so frustrating when the aircrew do a great job only to have passengers get pissed off because QF managment won't employ enough people to do the basic ground jobs.
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Congratulations again to the OzJet operations team with the issue of an AOC this morning! Great work and further - a mate in CASA tells me that the level of professionalism that permeates the OzJet organisation is second to none in Australia.
On a side note to Barbossa - please do us the courtesy and check your facts before posting. On question from Bentleigh as to whether these aircraft (737-229) are banned from nightflight in Europe - you responded with conviction:
"And Bentleigh is right - these 737's have been banned from nightflights in Europe - hence their introduction down here."
You are positively wrong on this account - so go to the back of the class and wash out your mouth with Pine-O-Clean.
This aircraft is NOT -I SAY AGAIN, NOT banned from flying at NIGHT or day, rain or shine anywhere in the so-called civilised world (except the normal curfew regulations applying at selected airports to ALL aircraft in this category - including 300/500 and NG's).
Sure the 200 haven't been seen much in Australian skies for a number of years, but they do in fact operate extensively and successfully throughout Europe and North America, flown by very mature and professional airlines as well as a number of start-up's.
So GAUNTY - I appreciate your position but suppose where I differ in opinion, is that I acually consider the 200 to be a contemporary aircraft, even though it obviously has come towards the tail-end of its economical life-cycle. Clearly - OzJet will not fly them forever and my prediction is that once the concept is validated and proven a success, a fleet renewal program will be initiated. It is only prudent business practise to limit capital costs for a start-up airline, and seeing that Stoddart owns a number of them, he would be mad not to use them for this exciting start-up.
Also - a last chance to enjoy (for a couple or three years) the crackle of a pair of JT8D's taking off over Botany Bay is hardly going to alter our planet in its orbit now is it?
On a side note to Barbossa - please do us the courtesy and check your facts before posting. On question from Bentleigh as to whether these aircraft (737-229) are banned from nightflight in Europe - you responded with conviction:
"And Bentleigh is right - these 737's have been banned from nightflights in Europe - hence their introduction down here."
You are positively wrong on this account - so go to the back of the class and wash out your mouth with Pine-O-Clean.
This aircraft is NOT -I SAY AGAIN, NOT banned from flying at NIGHT or day, rain or shine anywhere in the so-called civilised world (except the normal curfew regulations applying at selected airports to ALL aircraft in this category - including 300/500 and NG's).
Sure the 200 haven't been seen much in Australian skies for a number of years, but they do in fact operate extensively and successfully throughout Europe and North America, flown by very mature and professional airlines as well as a number of start-up's.
So GAUNTY - I appreciate your position but suppose where I differ in opinion, is that I acually consider the 200 to be a contemporary aircraft, even though it obviously has come towards the tail-end of its economical life-cycle. Clearly - OzJet will not fly them forever and my prediction is that once the concept is validated and proven a success, a fleet renewal program will be initiated. It is only prudent business practise to limit capital costs for a start-up airline, and seeing that Stoddart owns a number of them, he would be mad not to use them for this exciting start-up.
Also - a last chance to enjoy (for a couple or three years) the crackle of a pair of JT8D's taking off over Botany Bay is hardly going to alter our planet in its orbit now is it?
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waav8r I doubt very much that anything I say here will ever change the course of history, but it needed to be said.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
IF they last long enough it is possible and who can tell what the Gods have in store for us, after all they gave VB the Ansett collapse, that they may have enough shekels to upgrade the fleet maybe to -300s.
The numbers simply dont add up for a transition of the existing concept to modern equipment.
yeah, for an occasional treat.
It must have been a runway change at Jandakot this am but I was awoken from a really deep slumber about 5:45 by the unmistakeable sound of a pair of Lyc IGSO-540-A1Ds, always just a teensy bit short of self destruction.
Thought I was having a dream about the good 'ol days and the CFS/Southern Airlines Rotto run at first.
With 10 minute sectors "twas very hard on super and turbo charged steeds.
Same vintage I 'spect.
BTW: as I said before if young Bretag is around it will be professionally operated.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
IF they last long enough it is possible and who can tell what the Gods have in store for us, after all they gave VB the Ansett collapse, that they may have enough shekels to upgrade the fleet maybe to -300s.
The numbers simply dont add up for a transition of the existing concept to modern equipment.
the crackle of a pair of JT8D's
It must have been a runway change at Jandakot this am but I was awoken from a really deep slumber about 5:45 by the unmistakeable sound of a pair of Lyc IGSO-540-A1Ds, always just a teensy bit short of self destruction
. Thought I was having a dream about the good 'ol days and the CFS/Southern Airlines Rotto run at first.
With 10 minute sectors "twas very hard on super and turbo charged steeds.Same vintage I 'spect.
BTW: as I said before if young Bretag is around it will be professionally operated.
Grandpa Aerotart
Gordon is a top fella and very professional to boot....I suspect the crews at Ozjet will have a wail of a time for as long as it lasts.
I did a sim check once with a very (and openly) gay captain and GB as the checky...GB gave us a quadruple engine failure over the GAFA at night and while the captain busied himself gliding to Alice I busied myself trying to get 4 relights...after many failed attempts had all 4 running and turned to my crash buddy with the words..."There...fixed!" to which he replied "Ohh Chucky I was going to do a WONDERFULL glide approach"
...with heavy 'listhp' engaged I replied "Listen bitch I just saved your arse...say "thankyou Chuck" "Ohh...Thankyou Chuck".
Poor GB didn't quite know what to say...god did we laugh!!!
Personally I hope it lasts a very long time....it is after all what we all would like to be doing...providing a top notch product and friendly service in a small friendly outfit....and in an aeroplane that still needs a pilot to fly it yet
As to the noise issue...we'll see I guess....I like jet noise
You think the old JT8s are noisy?...you wanna hear a TU154 takeoff from inside your 767 cockpit at the holding point at DXB. You can still here them clearly when they reach Vr....man's aeroplane
I did a sim check once with a very (and openly) gay captain and GB as the checky...GB gave us a quadruple engine failure over the GAFA at night and while the captain busied himself gliding to Alice I busied myself trying to get 4 relights...after many failed attempts had all 4 running and turned to my crash buddy with the words..."There...fixed!" to which he replied "Ohh Chucky I was going to do a WONDERFULL glide approach"
...with heavy 'listhp' engaged I replied "Listen bitch I just saved your arse...say "thankyou Chuck" "Ohh...Thankyou Chuck". Poor GB didn't quite know what to say...god did we laugh!!!
Personally I hope it lasts a very long time....it is after all what we all would like to be doing...providing a top notch product and friendly service in a small friendly outfit....and in an aeroplane that still needs a pilot to fly it yet
As to the noise issue...we'll see I guess....I like jet noise
You think the old JT8s are noisy?...you wanna hear a TU154 takeoff from inside your 767 cockpit at the holding point at DXB.
You can still here them clearly when they reach Vr....man's aeroplane
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"Young" Gordon is a very professional chap, somewhat moreso than the former CP of Pacific Blue.
Incidentally, the parent organization seems to have overlooked his major indiscretion in the land of the long white cloud and reinstated him in BNE. I guess they see the fact that he will have to tolerate the Virgin Joke Book, and the corny Brisvegas crap, not to mention the air-robics as sufficient punishment for his foolish behaviour; whilst that may be punishment bordering on driving him off his nut, it doesn't seem enought to this PPRuner..
It seems it may be time to give the press a call on this one.
I hope they last as well. I might even give them a call as 16 years away from home is a long time. I even promise that if I am given a checking position I will ensure the check is done BEFORE writing it off!
Incidentally, the parent organization seems to have overlooked his major indiscretion in the land of the long white cloud and reinstated him in BNE. I guess they see the fact that he will have to tolerate the Virgin Joke Book, and the corny Brisvegas crap, not to mention the air-robics as sufficient punishment for his foolish behaviour; whilst that may be punishment bordering on driving him off his nut, it doesn't seem enought to this PPRuner..
It seems it may be time to give the press a call on this one.
I hope they last as well. I might even give them a call as 16 years away from home is a long time. I even promise that if I am given a checking position I will ensure the check is done BEFORE writing it off!
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You obviously have a serious problem, I strongly suggest that you seek counselling as you are just going to put yourself into an early grave!
This thread is about Ozjet and I can't see why you need to inject your particular brand of invective here.
As far as I am aware the "CP" of Pacific Blue - which there isn't one, but the Flight Ops Manager is still there.
You obviously have a serious problem, I strongly suggest that you seek counselling as you are just going to put yourself into an early grave!
This thread is about Ozjet and I can't see why you need to inject your particular brand of invective here.
As far as I am aware the "CP" of Pacific Blue - which there isn't one, but the Flight Ops Manager is still there.
On a slightly ominous note, it appears from the Pprune rumours and news page that Mr. Stoddart's european operation has closed up and the affected pilots are not pleased. They believe the airraft involved will be coming here.
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Sunfish points out the bleeding obvious that most of you "dreamers" seem to want to ignore. I say again - check out the European forums and you'll see what type of operater this bloke is. And talk about a mediocre (read lame) interview in the press "to Dixon and Godfrey - please leave us alone - we're just little guys".
Remember this is a market that VB needs to survive - and it is going to move heaven and earth to get a part of it. This is also a market on which QF domestic deeply depends - and it will use every card in its hand to play it.
Waav8r - your comments re-"professionalism" of their AOC process are laughable.
Lets look at the facts;
1. Stoddart is targetting the high-end business market with 33 year old aircraft. That is an oximoron. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Over the past 5 years the business market has woken up to being ripped off - you don't think that they are going to see it and feel the rip off with being asked to pay very high fares with a product which in essence is "mutton dressed up as lamb"?
2. The business traveller wants frequency and flexibility above all else. Then its network, then its product. OZjet has a questionable product only.
3. Unless I am mistaken they are paying the lowest pilot rates outside of GA in Australia. Your ignorance of this is breathtaking seeing as it has to be the most frequently raved about issue on PPRUNE.
4. You applaud them paying for endorsements and hiring crews from GA. Well, der! What pilot (even GA) is going to outlay $A30K of his own dosh for an endorsement that he can only use in a declining number of 3rd world countries?
Inevitably I will be attacked for knocking down the tall poppy. Really I could care less about OZJet - personally I wont fly anything but QF. They may not be the best airline in the world but they are the best we've got. Most often cheaper, significant network, frequent flier prog, etc etc.
What bothers me most is the continuing bastardisation and degradation of the airline industry in Australia. Even in India, where we would expect to see cheap start-ups, every one of the new airlines is either buying brand new or leasing nearly new aircraft. Stoddart's model ignores all the basic lessons of modern aviation sustainability. As you all know, the new benchmark for pilot salaries when you come to negotiate with your airlines will now be OZJet's level. What he saves on lease costs on newer aircraft will be drowned out by the high cost of maintaining them reliably, or, as is undoubtably the case given Stoddarts European history, the even higher costs of repairing them after the fact. This guy is demonstrating to you, as he did with Minardi (and in particular the debacle during the 2005 MEL grand prix) that he does not outlay a single cent in strategic planning. He will only spend if he has to and if he can get around that he will. Read the history of European.
Absurdly you applaud him for being smart in starting with these crappy 737-200's to prove that the model works and then upgrading later. You can't save your way to success. This very strategy will be his undoing. When the product (cabin) starts to look tatty (that'll take about a month), and reliability starts to bite, and the punters who travel on OZJET to send a message to QF realise the reality, then this little venture will struggle. And a la Godfrey during the first few years of VB Stoddart will be out in the media bleeting and moaning about how the poor Aussie battler is getting a rough ride.
All I hope is that their existence is brief; and that their inevitable failure is quick and painless for all the staff involved, unlike the poor bastards in European who have been dragged through the Stoddart circus for years.
Remember this is a market that VB needs to survive - and it is going to move heaven and earth to get a part of it. This is also a market on which QF domestic deeply depends - and it will use every card in its hand to play it.
Waav8r - your comments re-"professionalism" of their AOC process are laughable.
Lets look at the facts;
1. Stoddart is targetting the high-end business market with 33 year old aircraft. That is an oximoron. You cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Over the past 5 years the business market has woken up to being ripped off - you don't think that they are going to see it and feel the rip off with being asked to pay very high fares with a product which in essence is "mutton dressed up as lamb"?
2. The business traveller wants frequency and flexibility above all else. Then its network, then its product. OZjet has a questionable product only.
3. Unless I am mistaken they are paying the lowest pilot rates outside of GA in Australia. Your ignorance of this is breathtaking seeing as it has to be the most frequently raved about issue on PPRUNE.
4. You applaud them paying for endorsements and hiring crews from GA. Well, der! What pilot (even GA) is going to outlay $A30K of his own dosh for an endorsement that he can only use in a declining number of 3rd world countries?
Inevitably I will be attacked for knocking down the tall poppy. Really I could care less about OZJet - personally I wont fly anything but QF. They may not be the best airline in the world but they are the best we've got. Most often cheaper, significant network, frequent flier prog, etc etc.
What bothers me most is the continuing bastardisation and degradation of the airline industry in Australia. Even in India, where we would expect to see cheap start-ups, every one of the new airlines is either buying brand new or leasing nearly new aircraft. Stoddart's model ignores all the basic lessons of modern aviation sustainability. As you all know, the new benchmark for pilot salaries when you come to negotiate with your airlines will now be OZJet's level. What he saves on lease costs on newer aircraft will be drowned out by the high cost of maintaining them reliably, or, as is undoubtably the case given Stoddarts European history, the even higher costs of repairing them after the fact. This guy is demonstrating to you, as he did with Minardi (and in particular the debacle during the 2005 MEL grand prix) that he does not outlay a single cent in strategic planning. He will only spend if he has to and if he can get around that he will. Read the history of European.
Absurdly you applaud him for being smart in starting with these crappy 737-200's to prove that the model works and then upgrading later. You can't save your way to success. This very strategy will be his undoing. When the product (cabin) starts to look tatty (that'll take about a month), and reliability starts to bite, and the punters who travel on OZJET to send a message to QF realise the reality, then this little venture will struggle. And a la Godfrey during the first few years of VB Stoddart will be out in the media bleeting and moaning about how the poor Aussie battler is getting a rough ride.
All I hope is that their existence is brief; and that their inevitable failure is quick and painless for all the staff involved, unlike the poor bastards in European who have been dragged through the Stoddart circus for years.
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Sounds like OzJet is a starter with the 200's.
Anyone know if they are still planning to add services using flying gas-chambers (146's)?
Or is "planning" not the operative word?
Anyone know if they are still planning to add services using flying gas-chambers (146's)?
Or is "planning" not the operative word?
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little birdy suggests the joys of offshore maint recently came home to roost.Is there any truth in a hyd line bursting recently.I personally cant imagine the Romanians dropping the ball,after all we all know that Romania is the centre for engineering excellence.
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I am not taking sides here, just pointing out that you may be a lttle out of touch.
There are plenty of guys actuall paying $30K for a 146 endorsement in NJS!!
I suspect Alliance is the bottom of the barrell by a country mile when it comes to pay, not sure about sky west, how ever I would be supprised if they were much higher.
What pilot (even GA) is going to outlay $A30K of his own dosh for an endorsement that he can only use in a declining number of 3rd world countries?
I suspect Alliance is the bottom of the barrell by a country mile when it comes to pay, not sure about sky west, how ever I would be supprised if they were much higher.
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The thread title is Ozjet is an airline - please adhere to the title, play the ball, not the man.
Some of the posts here concern me - cunninglinguist's for example! I will let the posts stand for now, but one sniff of the usual lawyers letters and the thread will be gone.
Please refrain from any reference to individuals, whether derogative or other wise!
Woomera
Some of the posts here concern me - cunninglinguist's for example! I will let the posts stand for now, but one sniff of the usual lawyers letters and the thread will be gone.
Please refrain from any reference to individuals, whether derogative or other wise!
Woomera
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Mr Wooby
If any person approached me in that manner, I would give them the fobb-off too. Ground staff aren't there to take abuse !
Regardless of who you are, you cant speak to people like that ....give it a rest .... have you tried waiting for bags at places like LAX or LHR ? My last pax into LHR I was in First, and still waited for almost an hour for my bags.... its part of the airline game - get over yourself
you've got 200 pissed off people waiting for their bags where are they". They replied that it had just landed. When I replied that is just bull****
Regardless of who you are, you cant speak to people like that ....give it a rest .... have you tried waiting for bags at places like LAX or LHR ? My last pax into LHR I was in First, and still waited for almost an hour for my bags.... its part of the airline game - get over yourself
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Cart_Elevator, I have no problem waiting for bags, if you read my previous post you will see that it is written from the point of view re concern for the passenger not myself. Standing around seeing passengers getting angry that their baggage hasn't arrived and ground staff showing no concern at all, is not a good way to run an airline, especially when you're trying to compete against a new business class airline. You will also see that I lay the blame at Qantas management understaffing critical areas. However, I will not accept being lied to by ground staff.