UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours
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From: Costa Packet
Quote from Barron in 2005
NATS chief technology and programmes officer steps down - 3/18/2005 - Computer Weekly
NATS chief technology and programmes officer steps down - 3/18/2005 - Computer Weekly
Barron, said, “The success of our company is inextricably linked to our ambitious £1bn modernisation plan and the 350 engineering projects that support it.
“We will be moving swiftly to find the right capability for this task and I have every confidence in the ability of Nigel Horne and Ian Mills to manage this effectively in the interim.”
“We will be moving swiftly to find the right capability for this task and I have every confidence in the ability of Nigel Horne and Ian Mills to manage this effectively in the interim.”
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From: UK
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From: Somewhere nice
Question (or two) for PCS Negotiators
Why are you falling for managements stalling tactics? Why has notice not yet been given to NATS of intention to ballot members on industrial action? At my unit, I can tell you the will to fight is definitely there. Yes, NATS say they cannot negotiate" with a gun to their head" but they're the one's who put the bullets in the gun with their insulting and divisive offer. I for one would be more than happy to see my union negotiate with NATS from such a position of strength. It will certainly focus a few minds!
I also hope there is no truth in the rumour that NATS cannot offer more because Prospect ATCOs were told there is no more money. Sorry NATS, that is a rod you have made for your own back! But incredibly (I believe) PCS seem to have bought the idea that we have to "sell" more of our T&Cs to fund any further offer. Do you not think we have been insulted enough already?
Please, PLEASE don't make the same mistake as Prospect ATSS and weaken our position by recommending a piddly little token increase of an offer and say this is best you're going to get. It will only demonstrate what can be achieved when the "gun" is not held to the head. And no, I'm not after as much as we can get. I just don't want a pay cut, just a fair RPI deal.
Surely, if we do not stand firm now then more of our T&Cs will be used to fund future pay rises (and not necessarily for PCS grades).
I also hope there is no truth in the rumour that NATS cannot offer more because Prospect ATCOs were told there is no more money. Sorry NATS, that is a rod you have made for your own back! But incredibly (I believe) PCS seem to have bought the idea that we have to "sell" more of our T&Cs to fund any further offer. Do you not think we have been insulted enough already?
Please, PLEASE don't make the same mistake as Prospect ATSS and weaken our position by recommending a piddly little token increase of an offer and say this is best you're going to get. It will only demonstrate what can be achieved when the "gun" is not held to the head. And no, I'm not after as much as we can get. I just don't want a pay cut, just a fair RPI deal.
Surely, if we do not stand firm now then more of our T&Cs will be used to fund future pay rises (and not necessarily for PCS grades).
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From: Europe
Being from a smaller country in Europe it is interesting to see what is happening in the bigger ATC-countries.
I haven’t read the all posts but it seems like many countries providers have had an aggressive tone the last few years.
The one thing I have realized is that if we stay focused and united they will never be able to break us. Older ATCOS knows that but younger does has some difficulties to understand. Hopefully they learn after seeing what happens in countries that stay united.
Spain, Germany, England, Finland, Iceland and many other countries have had a very tough situation. I'm glad to read that some of you understand the importance of staying united.
There is always going to be those who think that we are paid too much and that we don’t deserve more, even among ourselves. They think that airlines will stop complaining about ATC-costs if we don’t get pay rise. They will never stop complaining! NEVER!
Maybe they (airlines) should charge their passengers more! Maybe the solution to the problems that airlines have isn’t always pay cut after pay cut for their staff and cutting ATC-costs. Maybe the problem can be found somewhere else! Maybe it has to cost more to fly!
And also providers must realize that an aggressive tone will NEVER be the answer to solving problems during negotiations! NEVER!
I haven’t read the all posts but it seems like many countries providers have had an aggressive tone the last few years.
The one thing I have realized is that if we stay focused and united they will never be able to break us. Older ATCOS knows that but younger does has some difficulties to understand. Hopefully they learn after seeing what happens in countries that stay united.
Spain, Germany, England, Finland, Iceland and many other countries have had a very tough situation. I'm glad to read that some of you understand the importance of staying united.
There is always going to be those who think that we are paid too much and that we don’t deserve more, even among ourselves. They think that airlines will stop complaining about ATC-costs if we don’t get pay rise. They will never stop complaining! NEVER!
Maybe they (airlines) should charge their passengers more! Maybe the solution to the problems that airlines have isn’t always pay cut after pay cut for their staff and cutting ATC-costs. Maybe the problem can be found somewhere else! Maybe it has to cost more to fly!
And also providers must realize that an aggressive tone will NEVER be the answer to solving problems during negotiations! NEVER!
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From: SE England
FLSV welcome to PPRuNE
Very sage words in your maiden speech. We MUST all rember this. It is not holding the travelling public to ransom, it is having respect for difficult tasks, which not everyone can do and not everyone wants to do. Tasks which must be done right every time - even when the equipment provided to us does not work (AGAIN!). I sometimes think that our problem is that we make the impossible look easy and observers go away believing that it actually is.
There is always going to be those who think that we are paid too much and that we don’t deserve more, even among ourselves. They think that airlines will stop complaining about ATC-costs if we don’t get pay rise. They will never stop complaining! NEVER!
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From: Somewhere nice
Please, PLEASE don't make the same mistake as Prospect ATSS and weaken our position by recommending a piddly little token increase of an offer and say this is best you're going to get.
Oh dear
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From: Somewhere nice
My ballot paper and PCS newsletter arrived this weekend. I have to say I find the whole thing quite unpalatable.
In a nutshell, NATS have got nasty and threatened to withdraw from the agreement to avoid compulsory redundancy. Rather than stand up to this blatant bully boy tactics, PCS decided to negotiate with the gun now pointing firmly at their head.
The latest offer, somehow, feels inferior to the original one, with more terms being sold off. It also divides its own membership as VCA and PTAS contract staff will get less than those on standard contracts.
It's down to the members vote now. I've voted no, but I fear I will be in the minority.
In a nutshell, NATS have got nasty and threatened to withdraw from the agreement to avoid compulsory redundancy. Rather than stand up to this blatant bully boy tactics, PCS decided to negotiate with the gun now pointing firmly at their head.
The latest offer, somehow, feels inferior to the original one, with more terms being sold off. It also divides its own membership as VCA and PTAS contract staff will get less than those on standard contracts.
It's down to the members vote now. I've voted no, but I fear I will be in the minority.
