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UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

Old 26th Jun 2011, 17:42
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Well done to PCS for rejecting the deal, RPI at least hopefully. However, in this day and age, and current climate, can anyone think of any similar jobs with similar pay? I am struggling. And this is not so great should the media get involved in any possible strike action etc...
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 11:27
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Has the PCS vote been officially revealed?
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 11:43
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Payroll

May I just point out that the payroll is dealt with at Osborne House, Edinburgh- with not a Costa branch in sight!
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 15:34
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25 check...yes the PCS figures have been published 79% no vote.
Engineers ATSS 88% no vote.
Meeting tomorow morning should be interesting.
As for pay deals in similar percentages...today......Virgin (Balpa) have voted overwhelmingly 94% no to a 4% pay rise this year +profit share scheme, 3% for 2012/13
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 18:54
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In an ideal world the atsas and engineers would now be offered a bigger/better deal than the atcos.
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Old 27th Jun 2011, 20:14
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I think in an ideal world there wouldn't have been the opportunity to offer different branches different terms.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 06:41
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In an ideal world the atsas and engineers would now be offered a bigger/better deal than the atcos.
The ATCOs settled for less than RPI and that was entirely their decision.

NATS engineers work very hard and we have delivered real cost savings to the company. Plus there is a lot of overtime being worked by engineers so clearly there is a shortage of Engineers.

Having rejected the pay offer and gone into dispute with the company I believe we shouldn't do anything more than listen to the company until the Annual Report is published and we have had a good chance to look at the figures.

That I believe is the only sensible way forward.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 21:09
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Does anyone know exactly when the company report is published?

I'm expecting the company to chuck one last roll of the dice at the ATSAs and engineers. I hope neither camp accepts until the company results are out.
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Old 28th Jun 2011, 22:20
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I assume as these are sectional claims, NATS ATCOs will be enjoying their back dated pay rises while the ATSAs, MSGs and Engineers continue the fight
I believe there is one further pay grouping you are neglecting to mention. I really don't understand why people scratch their heads with this one...
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 06:19
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There is the STAR group (Prospect ATSS), and PCG (who negotiate separately).
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 20:43
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I'm looking forward to the public support that will come in abundance (NOT) for ATSA's if they choose to go down the route of industrial action.
When the public find out what they earn and what rise they have rejected, 8.5% over 2 years, they will look like greedy stupid idiots.


I just hope the press don't get the facts wrong as usual and lump in the ATCO's with the ATSA's.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 21:06
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they will look like greedy stupid idiots.

And you don't, with posts like that?

Suggest you visit the secondary centre (although you probably won't be welcome) and see that you shouldnt tarnish the whole atsa group with the same brush, as the operation elsewhere would not work without them.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 21:56
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rumouroid - are we to presume that, in order not to offend the public sympathies about which you appear to care so much, you've turned your, even bigger, pay rise down?

I expect the engineers and ATSAs couldn't give a toss what the public think to be honest. In the same way you don't.
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Old 29th Jun 2011, 23:10
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rumouroid- as an atco with twenty five years service I find your attitude towards the plight of the ATSA s amazing. Do you really not see that you will be in exactly the same position in ten to fifteen years! The job has already become simplified beyond belief and with the introduction of IFACts even more so. I dont know when you validated but I find the job so much easier now than when I was at west Drayton! I am sure I am not bucking the trend and becoming better as I get older so the only explanation can be that the job is becoming simplified! The days of the 100,000 a year ATCO are surely numbered . I will be gone by the time it happens but semi automation will be a fact and you young bucks who berate the atsa grade will be spending many years as computer monitors with no decision making required. Be careful what you wish for the atsas as it will surely be coming your way.
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 09:08
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I have just read Rumouroids post and I immediately thought of the old Arabic saying "Arrogance diminishes Wisdom"
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 09:19
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I have heard dozens of LACC ATCO's talk about the PCS pay offer over the last few weeks and only one thought that PCS should receive the same pay offer as Prospect ATCO's. However most, including me, thought that ATSS should receive the same as the ATCO's.
I think the issue is that we at LACC only see our ATSA's role and don't maybe appreciate how busy ATSA's at other units might be. I have heard dozens of ATCO's and even some ATSA's say that they believe that ATSA's at LACC are already overpaid.
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 13:15
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Rumouroid, perhaps even a walk down the corridor to the other Ops Room would enlighten you, those that have ATSA wise at least regularly comment on how much harder the ATSA's work in that room than the one they are in !
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Old 30th Jun 2011, 16:44
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rumouroid - LACC clearly isn't "The Premier Centre" at all then is it?
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Old 1st Jul 2011, 08:51
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Rumeroid ...
When the public find out what they earn and what rise they have rejected, 8.5% over 2 years, they will look like greedy stupid idiots.
Thats the attitude that I used to see towards the ATSA community from some of the old school ATCO's when I started this job nearly 40 years ago...gladly the majority of ATCO's now enjoy working as a team despite NATS best efforts to divide and conquer.

Dont forget you have got YOUR nice rise with little strings at the expense of the ATSA's...by that I mean cost savings in ATSA job losses.

I find it very hard to believe how you can do your job whilst your head is up your arse where it obviouslly is!!! Good luck for your future!
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Old 1st Jul 2011, 12:32
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Annual results are out.

http://www.nats.co.uk/wp-content/upl...NATS_ARA11.pdf
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