UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

[Roffa]

"flip-flop brigade"

Charming.

I voted no.

[eastern wiseguy]

As did I . I believed it divisive....I was always of the opinion we should be ONE NATS.

Nice to see we are all tarred with same brush.

[Ceannairceach]

No point in having at go at we ATCOs. Ultimately, it's not our fault. Don't play in to the company's divide and rule tactics.

I'm saddened by my colleagues who voted yes but ultimately, would PCS/ATSS have recommended a no vote if the situation were reversed?

I believe the ATSAs are planning an overtime ban (which will cripple PC for one) and then a tactical withdrawal of labour, as a last resort.

[Baltasound]

Well, Comrade Bob Crow managed a 5.2% increase for those of us who signal trains. With RPI+0.5% as the 2nd year deal. Perhaps it is time to join the RMT?

Mind you, many of us are raking it whilst we can before we are all replaced by a large computer in Basingstoke...

[ZOOKER]

What, Basingstoke in Westphalia?

[DC10RealMan]

If the ATSAs choose not to come to work on their days off duty and delays occur due to staff shortages then that is their right.

There is a Chinese curse which says "May you live in interesting times" and I think that might apply to many ATCOs and students. There will be massive pressure from the management on all atcos to work understaffed and threats applied to students and ATCOs to do ATSA tasks.

I would like to think that Prospect will brief its members on their rights and responsibilities given such a scenario.

[Avoiding_Action]

I was under the impression that holding trainee ATCO's at Swanwick already do ATSA tasks?

[phantomlurker]

Students

Indeed they do - and recieve an ATSA based wage

[Standard Noise]

the engineers will be looking at an overtime boycott and a work to rule.

And we'll notice how?

There will be massive pressure from the management on all atcos to work understaffed and threats applied to students and ATCOs to do ATSA tasks.

That would require some serious kissing of hairy Ulster arse.

[Minesapint]

You may notice when the systems stop working and there is nobody to fix them

[Rocket_Science]

I was under the impression that holding trainee ATCO's at Swanwick already do ATSA tasks?

Also the case at Prestwick; TATCs are being trained to undertake ACPO and FSS tasks. PCS have been all too accommodating with local management and only seem interested in protecting the operational roles - which, lets face it, are the roles that are dead in the water!

[Frank Disclosure]

Standard Noise

And we'll notice how?

I'd imagine the first things to start causing problems would be radars.

[Scot Cabin]

AG comms would progressively get less and less resilient/robust.

[10W]

Also the case at Prestwick; TATCs are being trained to undertake ACPO and FSS tasks. PCS have been all too accommodating with local management and only seem interested in protecting the operational roles - which, lets face it, are the roles that are dead in the water!

Presumably Prospect agreed to this as well ? If so, why ? It's the thin end of a wedge.

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by 10W

Presumably Prospect agreed to this as well ? If so, why ? It's the thin end of a wedge.

I would suggest it's a pragmatic use of resource. There are no UVC's running whilst the unit gear up for EFD OCT2, so no 'work' for TATCs. There is a shortage of ACPO and FSS for OCT2 so why not make use of the available resource and pay them a decent wage. Once OCT2 is finished the UVCs start again and the TATCs can then do what they were employed to do.
It's a short term solution for a short term problem.

BD

[10W]

Next thing you know, you'll have non ATSA staff coming in from Projects and the like to do the ATSA job because management cocked up by letting ATSAs go before EFD was fully operational ....... maybe the canteen chef, the receptionists, and the cleaners, could get a quick ATSA 'validation' and help out too ?

A short term solution ?

[ZOOKER]

EFD OCT2?
Sure sounds like fun, enlighten us BD, as this acronym is new to this discussion.

[ZOOKER]

BD,
Are we facing a resurgence of activity on the 'EFD at Scottish' forum perchance?

[BDiONU]

Originally Posted by 10W

Next thing you know, you'll have non ATSA staff coming in from Projects and the like to do the ATSA job because management cocked up by letting ATSAs go before EFD was fully operational

Be expensive on T&RE bringing up non PC staff.

maybe the canteen chef, the receptionists, and the cleaners, could get a quick ATSA 'validation' and help out too ?

Previously ATSA posts have been filled by contractors responding to jobcentre vacancies, if you've got the necessary aptitude anyone can be trained.

My earlier response to your post was my own humble opinion <shrugs>

BD

[Rocket_Science]

It's a short term solution for a short term problem.

A problem created by management haste and greed which could have been avoided. Even when EFD was proving it could not be relied upon, management agreed to more ATSA redundancies. Genius!