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UK - NATS Pay negotiations - latest rumours

Old 23rd Jun 2011, 18:55
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I think you have inadvertently hit the nail on the head; as soon as all 3 sections of union agreed to go down the route of individual negotiation (and all 3 did agree to do so), then equal pay offers were off the cards.

As soon as it came to negotiate anything other than core pay, then of course the company is going to put different values on different aspects of duty.

Asking ATCOs to vote 'NO' to their individual pay offer to support ATSAs or ATCEs is actually tantamount to secondary action.
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Old 23rd Jun 2011, 22:47
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I am completely disgusted with the result. How, after all the talk and contraverse about this deal, can 21% of the company not even bother to send a prepaid envelope back to vote?

I was strongly against this from day one due to the met tie in. At least I know that whatever happens now I didn't sell myself or any of my ATSA collegues down the proverbial swanney!

Shame on those that couldn't be bothered.

As for those that voted yes.... well I guess its probably not you that will be effected by the results. It will be the smucks like me that are left to deal with the fallout
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 04:40
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There are ATSAs now working up to 3.5 hours without a break. When did you last do that.....

Most shifts with all of the extraneous tasks I now have to do!!
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 09:21
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ATCO ballot results released two days ago.

At my unit, our ATSAs get their breaks when they are due and often before they are due. Oh, and on nights, the ATCOs do 4 hr stints....while doing the ATSA tasks at the same time (because they don't do nights). Some of you lot don't know you're born ffs!
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 13:41
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Breaking news!!!

NATS ATSS Branch vote result was to reject the pay offer.


88% NO
12% YES


RS
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 14:10
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Atco result being a yes doesn't necessarily mean we'll get the met buy out or even the real terms pay cut as all parties would need to vote yes wouldn't they?
Er, no. Did you not go to a briefing?
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 15:40
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 18:36
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PCS Vote

Figures are approximate

To Reject the offer: 80%
To Accept the offer: 20%

Turnout: 75%

By my reckoning that's 60% of the membership voted to reject the offer and only 16% voting to accept.
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 18:53
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 19:27
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Seems like the ATSS branch still have a moral compass.
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 19:32
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It would appear so - I was expecting it to be much closer be honest rather than a resounding no.

I assume as these are sectional claims, NATS ATCOs will be enjoying their back dated pay rises while the ATSAs, MSGs and Engineers continue the fight

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Old 24th Jun 2011, 20:05
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I assume as these are sectional claims, NATS ATCOs will be enjoying their back dated pay rises while the ATSAs, MSGs and Engineers continue the fight
That might depend upon a PCS member making the required changes to the payroll
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Old 24th Jun 2011, 21:16
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That might depend upon a PCS member making the required changes to the payroll
Would that be someone in the costa drinking, pointless meeting, administration block that we apparently work in at CTC?
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 07:03
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Would that be someone in the costa drinking, pointless meeting, administration block that we apparently work in at CTC?
Hey there are real controllers there moving traffic (West radar & SLAM) and with their own car parking spaces, more coming with the college of knowledge so it's now a real unit instead of just a money drain. Dunno how high up the league table it'll get though with Swanwick number 1 bringing in half the companies money and costing a third of it to run.

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Old 25th Jun 2011, 10:20
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"Isn't that supposed to be classified BD? "

Nobody ever told us that in NSL.

Get a life!
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 15:29
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The Engineers were never going to vote yes to a deal that gave them a lower percentage increase than the Controllers were offered.

After all the extra work so many of us have taken on and all the real savings we've delivered for the company we surely deserve more than the RPI and we shouldn't be scared to say so.

The company needs engineers and NATS engineers work hard. That needs to be recognised in the pay settlement.

Now we are in dispute with the company RPI has to be the very minimum we settle for.
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 17:47
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"The company needs engineers and NATS engineers work hard. That needs to be recognised in the pay settlement." Well said! I'm not an engineer but couldn't agree more! At least the engineers have had the guts to stand up and say 'No'!
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Old 25th Jun 2011, 22:26
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I aplaud PCS and ATSS for voting no.....They both worked hard and with the cuts, deserve cost of living at least. Both unions are aware management have taken the P, making profits in a recession ,they have made excuses and used the uk situation as leverage on pay terms. .....when it suits them. This is not the civil service the company makes a very healthy profit and about time their employees shared in that......Atco out!!
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 05:50
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Well the annual results will be out in a week, cards on the table time. The 8% shareholder dividend suggests a tidy set of profits, a scenario where mgt are in an inarguable situation about money available for pay. This has been all about mgt showing they have control of costs, to prospective new shareholders in the sale of the government stake.
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Old 26th Jun 2011, 10:07
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Hi BD

Western Radar is an interesting case. Operational Controllers are paid as ATCO 3 on the "Unbanded" scale[NATSAG95]......and in addition to normal LCE requirements there is an extra task which requires three-monthly competency pass/fail assessments...whereas non-operational controllers in the same building attract Band 5.....and presumably the [soon arriving] non-operational college controllers will also attract Band 5. Western Radar have chosen a new union rep!!!!!!!!!
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