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Nope.
Some staff at the training centre have already been trained on the system, so testing will be done there.
Relax folks! Everything is under control!
Some staff at the training centre have already been trained on the system, so testing will be done there.
Relax folks! Everything is under control!
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who's being tested?
qualified controllers or candidates for controller training?
not sure it will do any good - most people selected using this system in the land of the long white cloud failed to qualify
qualified controllers or candidates for controller training?
not sure it will do any good - most people selected using this system in the land of the long white cloud failed to qualify
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i think its cands?
JAWS are you saying that this system is a faliure?!?!
coz as far as i know that alot of ATCO's working along side me are from your side of the world are product of this Franchise?
JAWS are you saying that this system is a faliure?!?!
coz as far as i know that alot of ATCO's working along side me are from your side of the world are product of this Franchise?
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But if they work in Muscat, they must have been licenced elsewhere and therefore the system was a success for them........
I really don't get the point that BHD is trying to make - is that just me?
Probably as successful as SHL elsewhere in the world.
I really don't get the point that BHD is trying to make - is that just me?
Probably as successful as SHL elsewhere in the world.
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BHD
You really do need to think about what it is you are trying to say before adding comment on this forum. You should also follow that up with finding out some simple facts. Sure Select is a product designed by HR for the purpose of recruiting new controllers. The vast majority of controllers in Muscat have been qualified for many years more than Sure Select has been in use. Why don't you walk around the centre and ask any of the expat controllers if they believe that these tests issued by people who have no clue about our job really work. I think you will not find too many. Failure rates in Australia and New Zealand, where similar testing takes place are still too high.
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how come it always me who is getting all the slashing around here?
check my post again ,its in a fourm of a question?!?!
and its not me who said(not sure it will do any good - most people selected using this system in the land of the long white cloud failed to qualify )check earlier post by others
im just saying that we never had a problem with using our own way of selection all through the years ,so why use Sure select now
check my post again ,its in a fourm of a question?!?!
and its not me who said(not sure it will do any good - most people selected using this system in the land of the long white cloud failed to qualify )check earlier post by others
im just saying that we never had a problem with using our own way of selection all through the years ,so why use Sure select now
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Hah Sure Select test?!!?!?!
About AIRWAYS....good deal guys, ME is a gold-mine
About DGMAN.... guys find a better way to spend your money the next time
About me.....let me know if u r going to lose my time whit sh
ts like that
NZ and Oman have a long way to go before to achieve our levels of safety and quality
About AIRWAYS....good deal guys, ME is a gold-mine
About DGMAN.... guys find a better way to spend your money the next time
About me.....let me know if u r going to lose my time whit sh
ts like thatNZ and Oman have a long way to go before to achieve our levels of safety and quality
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prascho,
On what basis do you make that last remark? Unless you work here and can make a valid comparison, how can you possibly know?
You may be pleasantly surprised at the quality of many of our ATCOs here, who have all had to raise their game due to the huge increase in traffic levels.
If you're heading this way, be ready for a workload that may prove interesting for you. Not every expat checks out here.
On what basis do you make that last remark? Unless you work here and can make a valid comparison, how can you possibly know?
You may be pleasantly surprised at the quality of many of our ATCOs here, who have all had to raise their game due to the huge increase in traffic levels.
If you're heading this way, be ready for a workload that may prove interesting for you. Not every expat checks out here.
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prascho is that the direct translation from Bulgarian to English of Pratco??? Just wondering that's all....
....you mention in your profile that you are from Bulgaria which is ironic as I have always placed that part of the world as a benchmark within the industry! 
Ahhhh its good to be back!! Hope everybody's New Year has started well!
NZ and Oman have a long way to go before to achieve our levels of safety and quality
Ahhhh its good to be back!! Hope everybody's New Year has started well!
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"you are from Bulgaria which is ironic as I have always placed that part of the world as a benchmark within the industry!"
I think I have just ruptured something from laughing at that.
prascho
In all seriousness, a propaganda video of the sort that you have just spewed out is no reflection on professionalism or indeed competence.
And I am presuming with your tirade on both Airways and DGMAN that you feel you are more qualified than the powers that be here that made the decision to go down this path and therefore are no longer interested in pursuing a career here - which is a very quick turnaround from your comments over the past few months on this thread looking for room-mates, Audi dealers and quote "a reason to leave my job".
Why do you want to leave such a bastion of professionalism and competence that is Bulgaria and trade it for such a "backward system with a long way to go" that is Oman?
Just for the money? That's not what you said on your original application. You gave a whole host of other bull**** reasons like people and lifestyle and "Oman's reputation in the region." right?
Seeing as though you were one of very few Bulgarians who were offered a position, it will not be too hard to pull your application and shred it for you.
After all 8,150 EUR tax-free a month is not too much to lose for shooting your mouth off anyway, is it?
Not when you can have your pick of jobs in the ME due to, as ATCO1962 says, you being part of the global standards benchmark that is ATC Bulgaria, assuming they pay the same as the "backward system" here in Oman.....oh, they don't do they?!
My advice is for you to wind your neck in - or there may be a chance the only time you see Muscat is from a postcard that BHD might be good enough to send you.
Farrell
I think I have just ruptured something from laughing at that.
prascho
Hah Sure Select test?!!?!?!
About AIRWAYS....good deal guys, ME is a gold-mine
About DGMAN.... guys find a better way to spend your money the next time
About me.....let me know if u r going to lose my time whit shts like that
NZ and Oman have a long way to go before to achieve our levels of safety and quality
About AIRWAYS....good deal guys, ME is a gold-mine
About DGMAN.... guys find a better way to spend your money the next time
About me.....let me know if u r going to lose my time whit shts like that
NZ and Oman have a long way to go before to achieve our levels of safety and quality
And I am presuming with your tirade on both Airways and DGMAN that you feel you are more qualified than the powers that be here that made the decision to go down this path and therefore are no longer interested in pursuing a career here - which is a very quick turnaround from your comments over the past few months on this thread looking for room-mates, Audi dealers and quote "a reason to leave my job".
Why do you want to leave such a bastion of professionalism and competence that is Bulgaria and trade it for such a "backward system with a long way to go" that is Oman?
Just for the money? That's not what you said on your original application. You gave a whole host of other bull**** reasons like people and lifestyle and "Oman's reputation in the region." right?
Seeing as though you were one of very few Bulgarians who were offered a position, it will not be too hard to pull your application and shred it for you.
After all 8,150 EUR tax-free a month is not too much to lose for shooting your mouth off anyway, is it?
Not when you can have your pick of jobs in the ME due to, as ATCO1962 says, you being part of the global standards benchmark that is ATC Bulgaria, assuming they pay the same as the "backward system" here in Oman.....oh, they don't do they?!
My advice is for you to wind your neck in - or there may be a chance the only time you see Muscat is from a postcard that BHD might be good enough to send you.
Farrell
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Fox3, good to see you back on the boards, Naughty Boy.
If you look at prascho's website there is much in there that the UAE ACC is deficient on, i.e. compliance with ICAO standards for a start, SMS, etc.
'tis rumoured that the ANSP section of GCAA will not reply to queries from the GCAA regulator re the level of incidents on A419.
Now, it could be that they (GCAA ANSP) do not reply 'cos the DANS can't write in comprehensible english (he's ICAO level 4 spoken, written ability much less) but I would expect his Puppeteer to dictate to him. So, why no reply?
The answer is that the reason he doesn't reply is that they have never done a Risk Analysis safety case on the matter.
The new Advisor to the Director General has taken an interest in the matter.
ATCO1962
Check out the movement figures re Bulgaria and UAE. I don't think that the Bulgarians would have too much trouble in the UAE. The thing that makes the UAE airspace more convoluted than is necessary is its design by the Non PANS Ops qualified Stromboli.
Farrell
OMAN is a nice place but it is not, like its neighbour the UAE, at the forefront of ATC/ATM. I think that prascho has touched a raw nerve with you.
Suggest you take a holiday in Sofia, also a nice place with a well managed airport, etc.
Happy New Year to one and all.
To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.
If you look at prascho's website there is much in there that the UAE ACC is deficient on, i.e. compliance with ICAO standards for a start, SMS, etc.
'tis rumoured that the ANSP section of GCAA will not reply to queries from the GCAA regulator re the level of incidents on A419.
Now, it could be that they (GCAA ANSP) do not reply 'cos the DANS can't write in comprehensible english (he's ICAO level 4 spoken, written ability much less) but I would expect his Puppeteer to dictate to him. So, why no reply?
The answer is that the reason he doesn't reply is that they have never done a Risk Analysis safety case on the matter.
The new Advisor to the Director General has taken an interest in the matter.
ATCO1962
Check out the movement figures re Bulgaria and UAE. I don't think that the Bulgarians would have too much trouble in the UAE. The thing that makes the UAE airspace more convoluted than is necessary is its design by the Non PANS Ops qualified Stromboli.
Farrell
OMAN is a nice place but it is not, like its neighbour the UAE, at the forefront of ATC/ATM. I think that prascho has touched a raw nerve with you.
Suggest you take a holiday in Sofia, also a nice place with a well managed airport, etc.
Happy New Year to one and all.
To infinity and beyond and, hopefully, back in time for a pint of Theakstones Old Peculiar.
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No raw nerves here V.
Just common sense.
If you are looking for a job where the salary far outweighs what you have at home - and your country is in the minority of those asked to come here, and you can therefore be easily identified....it makes sense to STFU and keep opinions to yourself - at least until you have signed a contract and gotten a few quid under your belt.
Sofia....ahhhhhhhhhhh....many memorable nights on the town with the local talent.
Prascho - any chance of you bringing some female entertainment with you?
Farrell
Just common sense.
If you are looking for a job where the salary far outweighs what you have at home - and your country is in the minority of those asked to come here, and you can therefore be easily identified....it makes sense to STFU and keep opinions to yourself - at least until you have signed a contract and gotten a few quid under your belt.
Sofia....ahhhhhhhhhhh....many memorable nights on the town with the local talent.
Prascho - any chance of you bringing some female entertainment with you?
Farrell
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"After all 8,150 EUR tax-free a month is not too much to lose for shooting your mouth off anyway...."
Is it the most important thing for u m8... coz the job of an En-Route controller is the most important thing for me, and I'm open to help if I can, but not at any price.
U have a long way to go, as I have already sad! Nothing personal again
P.s I'm able to tell u my name if it helps to u
Is it the most important thing for u m8... coz the job of an En-Route controller is the most important thing for me, and I'm open to help if I can, but not at any price.
U have a long way to go, as I have already sad! Nothing personal again
P.s I'm able to tell u my name if it helps to u
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"Is it the most important thing for u m8..."
No it isn't.
The most important thing for me is "are you bringing girls with you"?
A question you have still failed to answer!
No it isn't.
The most important thing for me is "are you bringing girls with you"?
A question you have still failed to answer!
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Verc,
While I appreciate the traffic levels that our brethren in Bulgaria may move, it's still apples and oranges. Without researching it, I'm going to presume that they are surrounded, in the main, by radar units, with direct lines, serviceable radio/radar equipment, reasonable sector sizes and headsets (this is a sore point) that are useable and allow proper training.
We have, I would suggest, similar traffic loadings (our statisticians tell me it's over 1,000 area movements a day over three sectors) and have to move the bulk of that traffic into non-radar enviroments. The only unit, as I have alluded to in previous posts, that we deal with where we can use radar handoffs is UAE. Couple with that constant radio problems and other issues and we have quite a handful, as you know. We still get up to 30 aircraft at a time in a sector, far more than can/should be reasonably handled. Safe, it may not be completely, but we play with the cards we are dealt with and I am impressed at how our lads and lasses have managed to keep up with the increase in traffic.
I hope, though, that anyone coming here is not so foolish as to presume that, by weight of traffic moved "back home" that you'll make it easily here. It is still a challenging ATC environment.
We look forward to more troops.
While I appreciate the traffic levels that our brethren in Bulgaria may move, it's still apples and oranges. Without researching it, I'm going to presume that they are surrounded, in the main, by radar units, with direct lines, serviceable radio/radar equipment, reasonable sector sizes and headsets (this is a sore point) that are useable and allow proper training.
We have, I would suggest, similar traffic loadings (our statisticians tell me it's over 1,000 area movements a day over three sectors) and have to move the bulk of that traffic into non-radar enviroments. The only unit, as I have alluded to in previous posts, that we deal with where we can use radar handoffs is UAE. Couple with that constant radio problems and other issues and we have quite a handful, as you know. We still get up to 30 aircraft at a time in a sector, far more than can/should be reasonably handled. Safe, it may not be completely, but we play with the cards we are dealt with and I am impressed at how our lads and lasses have managed to keep up with the increase in traffic.
I hope, though, that anyone coming here is not so foolish as to presume that, by weight of traffic moved "back home" that you'll make it easily here. It is still a challenging ATC environment.
We look forward to more troops.
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It's OK ATCO, I have it on good authority that Verci is a washed out UAE ACC manager that was the catalyst to a lot of the chaos in the first place!
Seems he has brought his emotional baggage to this thread as well!
Ho Hum! Good luck you guys over there in Oman, I'm sure its not pretty dealing with all those stars in the adjacent procedural sectors!
If you get bored come to Kuwait and enjoy the US military operations....not that you probably don't have yor fair share of them as well!!
that was the catalyst to a lot of the chaos in the first place! Seems he has brought his emotional baggage to this thread as well!
Ho Hum! Good luck you guys over there in Oman, I'm sure its not pretty dealing with all those stars in the adjacent procedural sectors!
If you get bored come to Kuwait and enjoy the US military operations....not that you probably don't have yor fair share of them as well!!
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Hi Sandy,
Yep, we get out fair share of US military and almost all of them are "pop-ups"(at least, the westbounds are) that intrude at the most inconvenient of times.
And for the record, we had 38 aircraft on East sector frequency at one time on Dec 12, 2009, a sector that only deals with non-radar equipped, surrounding sectors. Granted, it's a big sector, but no-one should be handling those numbers. It's certainly not boasting because we recognise our inability to adequately deal with such numbers; rather, it's a heads-up as to what you'll be walking into if you come here. You won't be bored, that's for real!
We are trying to sectorise some more but we're waiting for new staff. Sounds like we might be blessed with the very best in the world from Bulgaria
Yep, we get out fair share of US military and almost all of them are "pop-ups"(at least, the westbounds are) that intrude at the most inconvenient of times.
And for the record, we had 38 aircraft on East sector frequency at one time on Dec 12, 2009, a sector that only deals with non-radar equipped, surrounding sectors. Granted, it's a big sector, but no-one should be handling those numbers. It's certainly not boasting because we recognise our inability to adequately deal with such numbers; rather, it's a heads-up as to what you'll be walking into if you come here. You won't be bored, that's for real!
We are trying to sectorise some more but we're waiting for new staff. Sounds like we might be blessed with the very best in the world from Bulgaria
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Farell,
Is sure select for ab initios (locals) only?
Someone I know has been offered a job there but he hasn't done any aptitude tests, etc.
Hi ATCO1962, happy new year.. and to all Muscateers.
pare
Is sure select for ab initios (locals) only?
Someone I know has been offered a job there but he hasn't done any aptitude tests, etc.
Hi ATCO1962, happy new year.. and to all Muscateers.
pare