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Some typical phrases and their translations for newbies coming to Oman:
"Come back tomorrow." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"This is the wrong document." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is your PRO? He needs to be here. Please go and get him." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Only five photos? We need six." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Not this office. Go to the building on the other side of town." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Sorry. We are closed." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Ah…you are living in Mawaleh…you have to go to the local office." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"The system is down." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is your company stamp?" - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"The supervisor has gone to Dubai." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"He's not answering his phone." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is the other form?" - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
This is how life is over here…..roll with it and you will have a great time.
Respect your hosts, play by their rules and this is really a great place to live.
Kick up a fuss, scream and stamp your feet - and they, just like me, will get loads of mileage out of seeing how far they can push you before you vaporize in front of them.
It's all part of the territory - and if there comes a day when you really, really need help….they will be there for you. Guaranteed.
"Come back tomorrow." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"This is the wrong document." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is your PRO? He needs to be here. Please go and get him." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Only five photos? We need six." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Not this office. Go to the building on the other side of town." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Sorry. We are closed." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Ah…you are living in Mawaleh…you have to go to the local office." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"The system is down." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is your company stamp?" - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"The supervisor has gone to Dubai." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"He's not answering his phone." - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
"Where is the other form?" - "I can't be bothered to deal with this today."
This is how life is over here…..roll with it and you will have a great time.
Respect your hosts, play by their rules and this is really a great place to live.
Kick up a fuss, scream and stamp your feet - and they, just like me, will get loads of mileage out of seeing how far they can push you before you vaporize in front of them.
It's all part of the territory - and if there comes a day when you really, really need help….they will be there for you. Guaranteed.
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"I think this will be a long and very stressfull waiting period."
You aint seen nothing yet! Wait til you arrive!
Seriously, if you think this part (waiting) is stressful reconsider your plans.
Best of luck to all the new recruits.
Seriously, if you think this part (waiting) is stressful reconsider your plans.
Best of luck to all the new recruits.
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It took 4 years of waiting for residency (where I am now). I have to wait another 3 years BEFORE you can apply for citizenship. My wife applied for hers in April and got her first acknowledgement of application this week. The letter stated it was another 12-15 months to process her application but may even take longer.
I can be patient.......
I can be patient.......
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You guys have gone quiet...
What is the opinion/comment from the people who prob know most on the ATC going down for 2 hours? (which seems to be accepted fact)...
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mabrook(cong) as if there is no any faults world wide but in Muscat
what are you digging for my friend,yes Muscat is a system which isnt 100% perfect?!?! and i guess all systems around the world arent either
spit it out?what happened that day was the first time ever.and i tell you we are 99%radar in Muscat and i guess the 1% happened that day so tuff luck to all,at least we never(at least since i joined) fired anyone because of faults.you see it a dominos effect else where(like next door) everyone blames who is below him for faliures,but we dont here in Muscat we support each other
p.s:dragon you dont need to post 2 messages to 2 fourms for the same question
what are you digging for my friend,yes Muscat is a system which isnt 100% perfect?!?! and i guess all systems around the world arent either
spit it out?what happened that day was the first time ever.and i tell you we are 99%radar in Muscat and i guess the 1% happened that day so tuff luck to all,at least we never(at least since i joined) fired anyone because of faults.you see it a dominos effect else where(like next door) everyone blames who is below him for faliures,but we dont here in Muscat we support each other
p.s:dragon you dont need to post 2 messages to 2 fourms for the same question
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Black Hawk Down
I posted in 2 places because here I expected Muscat interested comments only, while I also wanted to hear from any pilots who might have experienced the ATC blackout too.
I don't really understand your comment, although it comes across as very defensive and supports the rumour that there is a cover up going on.
If the system was brought down by, say, a lightening strike, I could understand. But when it's brought down by incompetence and poor systems and procedures, I think it should be treated seriously. Having no radar at all for 30 min and basic radar blips only for 2 hrs must be a significant danger to the flights.
That it happened is history. It's not about blame, but making sure it doesn't happen again and ensuring everyone learns. A 's**t happens' attitude (which is what I interpret from your comment) is not what I expect from an ATC.
I posted in 2 places because here I expected Muscat interested comments only, while I also wanted to hear from any pilots who might have experienced the ATC blackout too.
I don't really understand your comment, although it comes across as very defensive and supports the rumour that there is a cover up going on.
If the system was brought down by, say, a lightening strike, I could understand. But when it's brought down by incompetence and poor systems and procedures, I think it should be treated seriously. Having no radar at all for 30 min and basic radar blips only for 2 hrs must be a significant danger to the flights.
That it happened is history. It's not about blame, but making sure it doesn't happen again and ensuring everyone learns. A 's**t happens' attitude (which is what I interpret from your comment) is not what I expect from an ATC.
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well s
t does happen doesnt it?
anyway this fourm has been productive for a while,we even got the thumbs up on the side
lets stick to assisting people who wanna come and work in Muscat instead
and what was said regarding what happened in (Muscatconfi) was written in a major hollywood bollywood style.just like what people watch in movies
t does happen doesnt it?anyway this fourm has been productive for a while,we even got the thumbs up on the side
lets stick to assisting people who wanna come and work in Muscat instead
and what was said regarding what happened in (Muscatconfi) was written in a major hollywood bollywood style.just like what people watch in movies
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Black hawk down's comment
"at least we never(at least since i joined) fired anyone because of faults.you see it a dominos effect else where(like next door) everyone blames who is below him for faliures,but we dont here in Muscat we support each other"
cross refers to recent events at the UAE ACC which has had four serious power outages since the inception of the new SZC, In Muscat they look to cure the cause of any outage whereas at the UAE ACC they don't look for cause but, instead, look for scapegoats.
So far the UAE ACC Director Air Navigation Services & his advisor have been responsible for firing five control staff and two engineering staff recently in relation to the power outages (combined with these staff questioning the lack of ICAO mandated safety procedures) instead of asking if the cause of the outages had anything to do with their (DANS & advisor) designing of the system.
As Black hawk down says no system is perfect, i.e. the recent system failure at Shanwick on Oct 3rd occasioned the publishing of the following:
ATCSCC ADVZY 005 DCC 10.03/09 SHANWICK OCEANIC AIRSPACE
EUROCONTROL HAS ADVISED THAT SHANWICK OCEANIC AIRSPACE HAS BEEN CLOSED DUE TO ATC EQUIPMENT FAILURE. ALL WESTBOUND DEPARTURES OUT OF EUROPE HAVE BEEN GROUND STOPPED AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS NO ESTIMATE FOR A RESUMPTION OF AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES THROUGH THIS AIRSPACE. EXPECT FURTHER UPDATES AS RECEIVED.
Cheers
Black hawk down's comment
"at least we never(at least since i joined) fired anyone because of faults.you see it a dominos effect else where(like next door) everyone blames who is below him for faliures,but we dont here in Muscat we support each other"
cross refers to recent events at the UAE ACC which has had four serious power outages since the inception of the new SZC, In Muscat they look to cure the cause of any outage whereas at the UAE ACC they don't look for cause but, instead, look for scapegoats.
So far the UAE ACC Director Air Navigation Services & his advisor have been responsible for firing five control staff and two engineering staff recently in relation to the power outages (combined with these staff questioning the lack of ICAO mandated safety procedures) instead of asking if the cause of the outages had anything to do with their (DANS & advisor) designing of the system.
As Black hawk down says no system is perfect, i.e. the recent system failure at Shanwick on Oct 3rd occasioned the publishing of the following:
ATCSCC ADVZY 005 DCC 10.03/09 SHANWICK OCEANIC AIRSPACE
EUROCONTROL HAS ADVISED THAT SHANWICK OCEANIC AIRSPACE HAS BEEN CLOSED DUE TO ATC EQUIPMENT FAILURE. ALL WESTBOUND DEPARTURES OUT OF EUROPE HAVE BEEN GROUND STOPPED AT THIS TIME.
THERE IS NO ESTIMATE FOR A RESUMPTION OF AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES THROUGH THIS AIRSPACE. EXPECT FURTHER UPDATES AS RECEIVED.
Cheers
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verci (BULLS EYE) couldnt have said it better myself
other ATC units all around the world have system faliures on regular bassis,and thats whats worth investigation and like you said(uncovering the uncovered)
good luck
other ATC units all around the world have system faliures on regular bassis,and thats whats worth investigation and like you said(uncovering the uncovered)
good luck
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BHD is right,,,,,some people in this industry are just short minded,,,,just looking who to blame,,,,before that incident i havent hear dragon congratulales anyone of the muscat staff for the good work they are doing,,althought they are doing good job 364 days a year,,but for 1 bad day he just want to throw everything away,,,i am shore thats administrative kind of thinking,we over here also have those kind of people,,dont worry.
keep up the good work boys.....
keep up the good work boys.....
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Happens all over the world....
Anything man made is subject to break down or fail...I know of events in the USA that lost entire flight data entry systems in Memphis ARTCC, Atlanta ARTCC, and loss of Primary and Primary Backup Radar systems being lost for at least 30 minutes at Cleveland ARTCC and Indianapolis ARTCC.....so it comes with the territory....sad to say with todays traffic volumes Non-Radar procedures help a small percentage of the time.......
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You don't get it. Of course stuff breaks. That is not the issue.
The issue is to find out why, fix the root causes (usually more than 1 or 2), and improve. Because its not supposed to break, is it.
But to cover it up and sweep it under the carpet because 'stuff like this happens everywhere even in Europe so stop asking questions' is just plain ignorant. And scary. And potentially symptomatic of deeper problems. (And don't try to tell me a sudden complete failure of radar and ATC electronic systems isn't dangerous.)
It needs to be properly examined by independent experts. Even if one of the root causes was someone screwing up, someone who happens to be related to the person in charge of the investigation, for example. Or even if another root cause is that, while systemic vulnerabilities in the design and operation of the ATC system had already been identified in a report, that nothing significant had been actioned to address the recommendations of the report by those responsible for the system.
The issue is to find out why, fix the root causes (usually more than 1 or 2), and improve. Because its not supposed to break, is it.
But to cover it up and sweep it under the carpet because 'stuff like this happens everywhere even in Europe so stop asking questions' is just plain ignorant. And scary. And potentially symptomatic of deeper problems. (And don't try to tell me a sudden complete failure of radar and ATC electronic systems isn't dangerous.)
It needs to be properly examined by independent experts. Even if one of the root causes was someone screwing up, someone who happens to be related to the person in charge of the investigation, for example. Or even if another root cause is that, while systemic vulnerabilities in the design and operation of the ATC system had already been identified in a report, that nothing significant had been actioned to address the recommendations of the report by those responsible for the system.
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Actually, they do get it.
Whether you agree or not each country is an autonomous region responsible for its own oversight with it's own regulatory body and does it's best within its own legal structure.
I assume that you are from the USA and would therefore refer you to the recent fines on US airlines for non compliance with mandatory maintenance.
Put your own house in order before casting aspersions!
Cheers
Actually, they do get it.
Whether you agree or not each country is an autonomous region responsible for its own oversight with it's own regulatory body and does it's best within its own legal structure.
I assume that you are from the USA and would therefore refer you to the recent fines on US airlines for non compliance with mandatory maintenance.
Put your own house in order before casting aspersions!
Cheers
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the only one who seems never getting it is you Under cover?
why are you fixated on Muscat (mission imposible great conspiracy theroy)
people have told you that in Major big (BIG FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES)
st like this happen
and you always come back and blame the Muscat great espionage
go find the "roots" and what ever you find(leaves,flowers,stems...etc) what ever you want and when you Know who cut the cables
write it in your (Muscat problems fourm)
why are you fixated on Muscat (mission imposible great conspiracy theroy)
people have told you that in Major big (BIG FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES)
s
t like this happenand you always come back and blame the Muscat great espionage
go find the "roots" and what ever you find(leaves,flowers,stems...etc) what ever you want and when you Know who cut the cables
write it in your (Muscat problems fourm)
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verci,you remeber when we mentioned sacking people (Scapegoats)!
i wanted to add that we dont have this in Muscat,but when we let people go(which is rare) we do that to people who have serious attiude problems or they are pure nut cases
and they are usualy like that when they do ATC but as persons they are very pleasent and social
i wanted to add that we dont have this in Muscat,but when we let people go(which is rare) we do that to people who have serious attiude problems or they are pure nut cases
and they are usualy like that when they do ATC but as persons they are very pleasent and social
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the Omanis have both manners and culture which the UAE ACC management (!) has not.
I hear that many Serco employees, following the recent 'Firing' debacle, are about to leave.
There is a big publicity PR show for the UAE ACC on 14th but it will be an empty shell of a performance. Basically RJ blowing on his own trumpet.
Cheers
the Omanis have both manners and culture which the UAE ACC management (!) has not.
I hear that many Serco employees, following the recent 'Firing' debacle, are about to leave.
There is a big publicity PR show for the UAE ACC on 14th but it will be an empty shell of a performance. Basically RJ blowing on his own trumpet.
Cheers