Muscat Muscateers
Joined: Dec 2007
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From: Bahrain
Do you think that the Muscat flow situation will improve when you get some more controllers or now that it is in place is it here to stay? If it is here to stay it needs some improvement as at night we Tardi delays regularly exceed an hour.
And then of course there is the story of a B777 and Mach.83 11 minutes ahead of an A340 at Mach.82 which Mumbai refused to accept because "the one with the 4 engines will catch the one with the 2 engines". With logic like this Muscat is always going to wear the sh&t in the sandwich..
Joined: Jul 2005
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From: New Zealand
What zkpjm said.
The only unit that Muscat deals with where we can hand off using radar separation is the UAE. EVERY other unit requires procedural separations i.e. Tehran, Karachi, Mumbai, Sanaa and Bahrain. The UAE, being our biggest customer, by dint of being able to throw as many aircraft as they wanted into that maelstrom, meant that we daily exceeded any reasonable levels of traffic for all our sectors. We have ample, statistical evidence of that. Even with the "flow control", we are often in fairly dire straits trying to provide reasonable levels to eastbound aircraft because of the sheer volume of aircraft that hit us, particularly from late evening to early morning.
Add to that the ramp-up of military traffic, who mostly just "pop up",, that has increased to service the Afghanistan conflict and you have a very difficult time every day.
I do have a lot of sympathy for having to merge TARDI and LABRI traffic using the procedures as given. I would hope that they would be simplified so that it doesn't mean that TARDI departures incur the types of delay as indicated. I was surprised to hear that one hour figure.
We don't appear to have a dedicated think-tank here to get to grips with an expeditious solution. I would think that until the airlines force the issue, we are in for a long wait.
On another note, still no sign of any newbies. People leaving, but no replacements as yet.
The only unit that Muscat deals with where we can hand off using radar separation is the UAE. EVERY other unit requires procedural separations i.e. Tehran, Karachi, Mumbai, Sanaa and Bahrain. The UAE, being our biggest customer, by dint of being able to throw as many aircraft as they wanted into that maelstrom, meant that we daily exceeded any reasonable levels of traffic for all our sectors. We have ample, statistical evidence of that. Even with the "flow control", we are often in fairly dire straits trying to provide reasonable levels to eastbound aircraft because of the sheer volume of aircraft that hit us, particularly from late evening to early morning.
Add to that the ramp-up of military traffic, who mostly just "pop up",, that has increased to service the Afghanistan conflict and you have a very difficult time every day.
I do have a lot of sympathy for having to merge TARDI and LABRI traffic using the procedures as given. I would hope that they would be simplified so that it doesn't mean that TARDI departures incur the types of delay as indicated. I was surprised to hear that one hour figure.
We don't appear to have a dedicated think-tank here to get to grips with an expeditious solution. I would think that until the airlines force the issue, we are in for a long wait.
On another note, still no sign of any newbies. People leaving, but no replacements as yet.
Joined: Apr 2001
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From: Adrift upon the tides of fate
We don't appear to have a dedicated think-tank here to get to grips with an expeditious solution.
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 119
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From: SOMALIA
we need people there is no question about that?
but we also need better procdures
as i dont see how extra bodies can find it easier to turn 10's of planes 10 miles in trail into planes 10 mins in trail without correct procedures
but we also need better procdures
as i dont see how extra bodies can find it easier to turn 10's of planes 10 miles in trail into planes 10 mins in trail without correct procedures
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: In FOREST
Muscat FIR and LOA
Hello there .
If you don't mind me asking about maps of Muscat FIR and LOA, if you can send me please,or give the address maps of Muscat FIR and LOA where I can find it.
I have accepted the offer , but I'm just waiting to get all the final approvals and work visa.I would like preliminary to familiarise with them.
Regards
"skydiveacc".
If you don't mind me asking about maps of Muscat FIR and LOA, if you can send me please,or give the address maps of Muscat FIR and LOA where I can find it.
I have accepted the offer , but I'm just waiting to get all the final approvals and work visa.I would like preliminary to familiarise with them.
Regards
"skydiveacc".
Joined: Sep 2009
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From: United Macedonia
Info on Muscat Maps and LOA's
HAHAHAHA!!!
Skydiveacc,
By the time your or any visa gets the approval from various ministries etc. you will be able to get another University Degree.
Man,it is too early for that stuff,cross that bridge when you get there.
Cheers all future Muscateers,
Gianni
Skydiveacc,
By the time your or any visa gets the approval from various ministries etc. you will be able to get another University Degree.
Man,it is too early for that stuff,cross that bridge when you get there.
Cheers all future Muscateers,
Gianni
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 10
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From: That little tent behind the sand dunes!
Nothing to worry about Skydiveacc, you will be given ample time to familiarize with the Omani airspace once you get there; after the immigration and settling formalities, which are taking some time, you will be sent to the training centre to attend a 4 to 5-week familiarization course prior to start OJT.
Trying to learn the airspace alone, without knowledge of the SOPs and the LOAs, would confuse you rather than help.
Get patient, everything comes in due time...
Unrestricted Climb
Trying to learn the airspace alone, without knowledge of the SOPs and the LOAs, would confuse you rather than help.
Get patient, everything comes in due time...
Unrestricted Climb
The Cooler King
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,717
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From: Europe
BHD
I think it's excellent that no-one knows who you are!
Level 5? - must be a typing error on your cert
"and every one on PPRuNe know who you are"
Hardly rocket science is it? Seeing as though I use my real name!
I think it's excellent that no-one knows who you are!
Level 5? - must be a typing error on your cert
"and every one on PPRuNe know who you are"
Hardly rocket science is it? Seeing as though I use my real name!
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 119
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From: SOMALIA
yeah i guess thats why they hired you ferry so you can fix my english.
i see that you live in the training centre now days,evertime i climb on that bridge i see you car parked there after office hours.
cutting on expenses are we
i bet you are working hard in the trainig centre like everyone there
hope i promot to level 6 now
i see that you live in the training centre now days,evertime i climb on that bridge i see you car parked there after office hours.
cutting on expenses are we
i bet you are working hard in the trainig centre like everyone there
hope i promot to level 6 now
Last edited by black hawk down; 14th December 2009 at 22:39.
The Cooler King
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,717
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From: Europe
"i see that you live in the training centre now days,evertime i climb on that bridge i see you car parked there after office hours"
Heheheh......sometimes there's just not enough hours in the day mate!
"i bet you are working hard in the trainig centre like everyone there"
Nah! My colleagues work much much harder than I do.
In fact, some of them don't even go home during the week
"hope i promot to level 6 now" - definitely!
Heheheh......sometimes there's just not enough hours in the day mate!
"i bet you are working hard in the trainig centre like everyone there"
Nah! My colleagues work much much harder than I do.
In fact, some of them don't even go home during the week
"hope i promot to level 6 now" - definitely!
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 119
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From: SOMALIA
"tanks yuo vrey big mister for zis nice baber
im sory me no spek good english very well farewell"
farrey thanks to you for all the courses you conducted over the years,we are all still failures in english
but hay we still bailed you?
R.N: i speak more than one language,thats why im not a "Shakespeare" like you. im a "sheikh" only without the "speare"
im sory me no spek good english very well farewell"
farrey thanks to you for all the courses you conducted over the years,we are all still failures in english
but hay we still bailed you?
R.N: i speak more than one language,thats why im not a "Shakespeare" like you. im a "sheikh" only without the "speare"
Last edited by black hawk down; 15th December 2009 at 09:23.
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 119
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From: SOMALIA
for all who wanna "not" depend on farewell expertise(coz he is so busy in the training centre)
you can use this for help
Proficiency Tests - RMIT English Language Test for Aviation (RELTA) - Melbourne, Australia
you can use this for help
Proficiency Tests - RMIT English Language Test for Aviation (RELTA) - Melbourne, Australia
The Cooler King
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,717
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From: Europe
"farrey thanks to you for all the courses you conducted over the years,we are all still failures in english"
Hah! Yes, sorry. I forgot the main objective of the course is that you just sit there and text your habibi and then sit and stare at the screen during the exam going "No one said anything about a test!"
As was explained at the very beginning.....you have to take the stuff home and study it......"but, but, but, my sister needs her passport and I have to take things to Ruwi and then I'm going to Sohar and, and, and...."
"but hay we still bailed you?""
Yeah. Right!
Hah! Yes, sorry. I forgot the main objective of the course is that you just sit there and text your habibi and then sit and stare at the screen during the exam going "No one said anything about a test!"
As was explained at the very beginning.....you have to take the stuff home and study it......"but, but, but, my sister needs her passport and I have to take things to Ruwi and then I'm going to Sohar and, and, and...."
"but hay we still bailed you?""
Yeah. Right!
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 119
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From: SOMALIA
you can make beer out of that and drink it
and you kept on giving your lectures like a talk machine,and said
well ferry if you cant beat them join them
maybe you are not that good teacher and bored all to death
anyways guys whats new,i heard that some new kids on the block have recived their visas already any comments?
and you kept on giving your lectures like a talk machine,and said
well ferry if you cant beat them join them
maybe you are not that good teacher and bored all to death
anyways guys whats new,i heard that some new kids on the block have recived their visas already any comments?