Another nail in the MACC morale coffin.
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ATCO pay much higher compared to the average local wage than it is down South;
Free university education for your children
Free personal care for your elderly relatives
5-bed detached for the price of a 3-bed semi...and much much more
Free university education for your children
Free personal care for your elderly relatives
5-bed detached for the price of a 3-bed semi...and much much more
You don't have to live in Scotland for the free Uni - just attend uni there
I don't know about the elderly relatives bit - but as mine live in N.Irelnad it doesn't matter!
I hate to shatter your illusions but the days of buying a castle for 50p and a banana are long gone. Housing in a good area is pretty comperable to areas of the south coast - ceratinly the 4 bed I had down there cost just a bit more than my 4 bed up here
What is the much much more?
I love it here at Scoacc and living where I do.
However, I have a great deal of sympathy for the MACC guys (as do the majority of people working here).
I wouldn't want to uproot my family after 15+ years and start over if it wasn't my idea. I know we are a mobile grade - but when was the last time someone was moved by management as opposed to requesting a move? LATCC down the M3? People moving from London to Swanwick could keep their family in situ and commute. A couple of hours isn't too much if you want to keep your family in the same place, partner in same job, kids in same schools and same social network.
The MACC guys don't have that option.
Yes at ScoACC we work half and half nights - these are last of the perks and are slowly disappearing (as no doubt is happening at all units - not just ours). Half of the first halfs (if you follow) now stay all night. EGs are non existent on the rest of the shifts. And I think the uber early goes on your mornings down south that are being alluded to are the 0530 starts - I know people get away just after 7. Fair play to you - I wish we had it!
BTW if any MACC guys want to get in touch about moving to Scottish feel free to PM me.
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No more 0530's at LACC since we went back to 4 on nights in mid 2007. This was done as only 3 on nights for 2 positions left us too vulnerable to sector closures if 1 person was sick.
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Ali,
sounds like a healthy fialogue (in the main) to me. Concur with 250Kts - no more 0530 either AC or TC. Middle of january and the early go fo rthe 0600 start is 12 mins!
As stupendous man says, perks are being eroded everywhere.
I think this dialogue as it is is a good thing, lets all of the workforce realise that they are not the only ones who are losing out on things - it also amplifies the differences in each units working pratices - each has some good as well as some bad!
sounds like a healthy fialogue (in the main) to me. Concur with 250Kts - no more 0530 either AC or TC. Middle of january and the early go fo rthe 0600 start is 12 mins!
As stupendous man says, perks are being eroded everywhere.
I think this dialogue as it is is a good thing, lets all of the workforce realise that they are not the only ones who are losing out on things - it also amplifies the differences in each units working pratices - each has some good as well as some bad!
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Moving down the M3 from Latcc to Swanwick is no problem eh?A fair number of people lived about 1 to 1 and a half hours drive away to the north of Latcc. Not commutable on a daily basis to the **** hole that is Swanwick at all.So we change our lifestyle etc.I live away when working and dont see my daughter and partner that often.But I get on with it without too much wingeing , tho some of Z watch (amber my arse )might disagree!
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I know that not all of the London guys (and gals) wanted to move south. And not all were able to commute from London (or wherever they lived) if they so wanted in order to maintain their current lifestyle (and that of their families). My point was that this isn't an option to anyone at MACC. Which is one of the reasons morale is low there (I guess) which is the title of this thread.
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone else has an easy time - just addressing some of the points that had been made previously.
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone else has an easy time - just addressing some of the points that had been made previously.
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I can appreciate your difficulties associated with your move to the Swanwick area and I do have sympathy for your situation. However, I really do think that you are missing the point!
You have relocated a mere 70 miles compared to the 240 miles that the Manchester guys will move. Moving down the M3 corridor allows you to continue your life in a relatively normal manner compared to that you enjoyed previously. This will NOT be the same for the Manchester guys because moving to Scotland is like moving to a foreign country - especially if you are English. I should know as I made the mistake of moving here 9 years ago.
Up here we don't watch the BBC on the tv - we watch 'BBC Scotland'. We don't read 'The Daily Mail' - we read 'The Scottish Daily Mail'. What kind of an outcry do you think there would be, if down south the BBC rebranded itself as 'BBC England' or the Mail called itself 'The English Daily Mail' - there would rioting in the streets by all those 'non-english' types that live there. In Scotland virtually everything has to be branded with the word 'Scottish' - and things have only got worse since the SNP took control in the 'Scottish Government' as they now call it.
There is a real and nasty undercurrent of anti-english bias in Scotland at the moment and it gets worse with each passing day. Everything that is wrong with Scotland as a country is blamed on failures by English governments of the past. English people living in Scotland are seen as guilty by association. Scottish drivers can proudly display their 'scottishness' with Scottish flag bumper stickers and can be seen throughout the UK. Put an England flag on your car in Scotland and it is going to get vandalised.
My kids are at school and have mild english accents. They have as a result attracted 'unwanted' attention and have even received criticism from teaching staff for not pronouncing their words properly - they are expected to have the gutteral west coast of scotland accent which is almost unintelligible. The quality of teaching here in Ayrshire is verging on the criminal .(Don't take my word for it. Look up the website 'upmystreet.com' for the local schooling stats as to how many kids actually get any qualifications at school, and compare it to your local school -YOU WILL BE HORRIFIED!)
The SNP Government have decided to do away with Council Tax in 3 years time , which sounds like a real vote winner. Until you realise that they want to take a flat rate 5% tax out of your wages irrespective of where you live or in what size of property. How does Council Tax of £2400 p.a. grab you!
If you move up from Manchester and are from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, then you will be accepted in Scotland. However, if you are English or your wife is English or your kids have an English accent, then you are not going to find a welcome from the locals up here. So beware you Manchester guys and girls. Be very careful about where you decide to try to live as some places are a lot worse than others, in their dislike and hatred of the English. If I was you I would jump ship now whilst the going is good. Once you are here you will struggle to get out again - it has recently been decreed that 'Scottish' cannot release any Atcos who might want to go to the College, for at least the next 2-3 years!
Best of luck to you all at Manchester!
You have relocated a mere 70 miles compared to the 240 miles that the Manchester guys will move. Moving down the M3 corridor allows you to continue your life in a relatively normal manner compared to that you enjoyed previously. This will NOT be the same for the Manchester guys because moving to Scotland is like moving to a foreign country - especially if you are English. I should know as I made the mistake of moving here 9 years ago.
Up here we don't watch the BBC on the tv - we watch 'BBC Scotland'. We don't read 'The Daily Mail' - we read 'The Scottish Daily Mail'. What kind of an outcry do you think there would be, if down south the BBC rebranded itself as 'BBC England' or the Mail called itself 'The English Daily Mail' - there would rioting in the streets by all those 'non-english' types that live there. In Scotland virtually everything has to be branded with the word 'Scottish' - and things have only got worse since the SNP took control in the 'Scottish Government' as they now call it.
There is a real and nasty undercurrent of anti-english bias in Scotland at the moment and it gets worse with each passing day. Everything that is wrong with Scotland as a country is blamed on failures by English governments of the past. English people living in Scotland are seen as guilty by association. Scottish drivers can proudly display their 'scottishness' with Scottish flag bumper stickers and can be seen throughout the UK. Put an England flag on your car in Scotland and it is going to get vandalised.
My kids are at school and have mild english accents. They have as a result attracted 'unwanted' attention and have even received criticism from teaching staff for not pronouncing their words properly - they are expected to have the gutteral west coast of scotland accent which is almost unintelligible. The quality of teaching here in Ayrshire is verging on the criminal .(Don't take my word for it. Look up the website 'upmystreet.com' for the local schooling stats as to how many kids actually get any qualifications at school, and compare it to your local school -YOU WILL BE HORRIFIED!)
The SNP Government have decided to do away with Council Tax in 3 years time , which sounds like a real vote winner. Until you realise that they want to take a flat rate 5% tax out of your wages irrespective of where you live or in what size of property. How does Council Tax of £2400 p.a. grab you!
If you move up from Manchester and are from Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland, then you will be accepted in Scotland. However, if you are English or your wife is English or your kids have an English accent, then you are not going to find a welcome from the locals up here. So beware you Manchester guys and girls. Be very careful about where you decide to try to live as some places are a lot worse than others, in their dislike and hatred of the English. If I was you I would jump ship now whilst the going is good. Once you are here you will struggle to get out again - it has recently been decreed that 'Scottish' cannot release any Atcos who might want to go to the College, for at least the next 2-3 years!
Best of luck to you all at Manchester!
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As a Scot, I found that amusing 
99.99% of anti-English comments in Scotland are light-hearted. Yes, the odd idiot takes it too far but this is not the norm. Generic Englishness is not particularly popular in the same way that generic Americanism is unpopular in... well... almost everywhere really. Individual people, be them English, Irish, Indian or Chinese are generally treated on merit just like any other civilised society.
The reason for regional broadcasting and news media is down to the near total domination of English interest content on 'British' media. It's not an attempt at seperatism (although the NATS(no, not them) do try to hijack it as such sometimes) it's merely matching supply with demand.
If you paid any attention to the politics you would no that no policies that court controversy will be passed in the Scottish Parliament - due to the minority government. They say populist things but are fairly toothless on the big issues... It's like actually having the Lib Dems in!
I can't comment on the specific schools you refer to... I'll take your word for that. However, the education system in Scotland has been shown to perform better than it's southern counterpart nationally on many occassions. That doesn't help you if all the good schools are in the East though, I know.
Of course, a gutteral West-coast Scottish kid who started school in Hampshire wouldn't raise so much as an eyebrow would they?
(... and not a single mention of the Highland clearances...
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99.99% of anti-English comments in Scotland are light-hearted. Yes, the odd idiot takes it too far but this is not the norm. Generic Englishness is not particularly popular in the same way that generic Americanism is unpopular in... well... almost everywhere really. Individual people, be them English, Irish, Indian or Chinese are generally treated on merit just like any other civilised society.
The reason for regional broadcasting and news media is down to the near total domination of English interest content on 'British' media. It's not an attempt at seperatism (although the NATS(no, not them) do try to hijack it as such sometimes) it's merely matching supply with demand.
If you paid any attention to the politics you would no that no policies that court controversy will be passed in the Scottish Parliament - due to the minority government. They say populist things but are fairly toothless on the big issues... It's like actually having the Lib Dems in!
I can't comment on the specific schools you refer to... I'll take your word for that. However, the education system in Scotland has been shown to perform better than it's southern counterpart nationally on many occassions. That doesn't help you if all the good schools are in the East though, I know.
Of course, a gutteral West-coast Scottish kid who started school in Hampshire wouldn't raise so much as an eyebrow would they?
(... and not a single mention of the Highland clearances...
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Looks like lifeistooshort is a dyed in the wool rabid Daily Mail reader and disappointed that he can't get the national diatribe version up here ... ho hum.
Of course there are areas in Scotland where there is bigotry and racism .. just like the rest of the UK. That can be England, Wales, or look across the sea to Northern Ireland as well and I'm sure you could say exactly the same if you moved to certain areas, based on your accent or religion. Not too long ago though, there the consequences could be a little bit more harsh than bullying in NI, don't you think lifeistooshort ?? I've had the old 'sweaty jock' routine whilst down in England, but hey, I laugh it off and get on with things. Or give as good as I get. 'Life is too short' to do otherwise.
The guys and girls who had to move to Swanwick might technically only be making a 70 mile move, but how many of them actually lived in West Drayton do you think ?? Many more lived far away from that green and pleasant place. The fact is that whether you move 10 miles or 1000 miles, your lifestyle will generally go through some changes. If you don't want to make the change, don't make the move and do something else in your life. Interestingly, the Appeal Courts have now laid down a judgement on the legality of moves when an establishment closes down. Read the latest Prospect newsletter to see why any legal challenge by MACC ATCOs won't work.
I think you'll find most folks up here have a degree of sympathy with the MACC folks. If it had been the other way around then we know we'd probably be in the same frame of mind. But since this move has now been on the cards for a long time and the move to 'O' date is marching on, there comes a time when you just have to accept it's going to happen, make your decision to move or not, then draw a line under all the arguments for/against the change and get on with it. I think we've passed that point.
We have named a reporting point after this ... best said in a Northern Ireland accent .. it's BALIX. My local secondary school in Troon was inspected by the Government (as it is every year). The 2007 report highlighted as the schools strengths:
As there is only one secondary school in Troon, it's not hard to work out which one. Perhaps you could move here lifeistooshort ?? There's a new development just up the road from me, with streets named after lifeboatmen. Full of folks with their 4x4's so it would be almost like living in Chelsea 
The achievements of the pupils are not too bad ... considering they are being taught in a criminal manner.
Want me to get you a brochure ?? 
We had a bunch of guys move up here around then, who didn't make it at LATCC (for one reason or another). Some had previously been based here and fancied the move South but didn't make the grade. Others who move up tend to be on compassionate or welfare postings. If you are one of the former, why didn't you take your own advice and ''jump ship whilst the going is good''. After all, you must have done some research about Scotland before coming here ?? Or was there no other job option for you except to be what is euphemistically called a 'retread' ?? In which case, you should possibly be a bit more grateful that NATS found you somewhere to work and earn your salary. (Note: there is no slight intended to anyone who has gone through such a process. We have lots of people at ScACC who have walked that road and have had absolutely no problem validating and continuing to perform as operational controllers. Not many of them still harbour sour grapes over what has happened to them.)
One good thing when you get here, at least for a small number of people at ScACC, is that the breaks from controlling are in the order of 45+ minutes. Thanks to the OPM system, such folks are easilly tracked. Are you one of those as well ? Gives lots of quality time to gripe in the canteen
Of course there are areas in Scotland where there is bigotry and racism .. just like the rest of the UK. That can be England, Wales, or look across the sea to Northern Ireland as well and I'm sure you could say exactly the same if you moved to certain areas, based on your accent or religion. Not too long ago though, there the consequences could be a little bit more harsh than bullying in NI, don't you think lifeistooshort ?? I've had the old 'sweaty jock' routine whilst down in England, but hey, I laugh it off and get on with things. Or give as good as I get. 'Life is too short' to do otherwise.
The guys and girls who had to move to Swanwick might technically only be making a 70 mile move, but how many of them actually lived in West Drayton do you think ?? Many more lived far away from that green and pleasant place. The fact is that whether you move 10 miles or 1000 miles, your lifestyle will generally go through some changes. If you don't want to make the change, don't make the move and do something else in your life. Interestingly, the Appeal Courts have now laid down a judgement on the legality of moves when an establishment closes down. Read the latest Prospect newsletter to see why any legal challenge by MACC ATCOs won't work.
I think you'll find most folks up here have a degree of sympathy with the MACC folks. If it had been the other way around then we know we'd probably be in the same frame of mind. But since this move has now been on the cards for a long time and the move to 'O' date is marching on, there comes a time when you just have to accept it's going to happen, make your decision to move or not, then draw a line under all the arguments for/against the change and get on with it. I think we've passed that point.
The quality of teaching here in Ayrshire is verging on the criminal .(Don't take my word for it. Look up the website 'upmystreet.com' for the local schooling stats as to how many kids actually get any qualifications at school, and compare it to your local school -YOU WILL BE HORRIFIED!)
HM Inspectors identified the following key strengths.
• Pupils’ overall attainment in Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA) examinations, their broader achievements in developing skills of citizenship and enterprise and their pride in their school.
• The school’s reputation in the community and its links with parents.
• A broad and flexible curriculum which met the individual needs of pupils.
• The range of extra-curricular activities, positive ethos and good relationships between teachers and pupils.
• Pastoral care and the effectiveness of the school’s approaches to supporting pupils.
• Leadership of the headteacher and his depute headteachers.
• Pupils’ overall attainment in Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA) examinations, their broader achievements in developing skills of citizenship and enterprise and their pride in their school.
• The school’s reputation in the community and its links with parents.
• A broad and flexible curriculum which met the individual needs of pupils.
• The range of extra-curricular activities, positive ethos and good relationships between teachers and pupils.
• Pastoral care and the effectiveness of the school’s approaches to supporting pupils.
• Leadership of the headteacher and his depute headteachers.
The achievements of the pupils are not too bad ... considering they are being taught in a criminal manner.
The following comments are based on Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA) data, using the Scottish Credit and Qualifications Framework (SCQF)2 for the three year period 2004-2006 and also draw on the overall evaluations of the quality of learning, teaching and meeting pupils’ needs.
At S3/S4, the overall quality of attainment was very good. The proportion of pupils attaining five or more awards at SCQF levels 3, 4 and 5 was above the national average. At SCQF level 5, the school performed better than similar schools. At SCQF levels 3 and 4, boys performed better than girls.
At S5/S6, the overall quality of attainment was very good. At S5, the proportion of pupils attaining three or more and five or more awards at SCQF level 6 was well above the national average. At S6, the proportion was above the national average. The school performed much better than schools with similar characteristics.
At S3/S4, the overall quality of attainment was very good. The proportion of pupils attaining five or more awards at SCQF levels 3, 4 and 5 was above the national average. At SCQF level 5, the school performed better than similar schools. At SCQF levels 3 and 4, boys performed better than girls.
At S5/S6, the overall quality of attainment was very good. At S5, the proportion of pupils attaining three or more and five or more awards at SCQF level 6 was well above the national average. At S6, the proportion was above the national average. The school performed much better than schools with similar characteristics.
This will NOT be the same for the Manchester guys because moving to Scotland is like moving to a foreign country - especially if you are English. I should know as I made the mistake of moving here 9 years ago.
One good thing when you get here, at least for a small number of people at ScACC, is that the breaks from controlling are in the order of 45+ minutes. Thanks to the OPM system, such folks are easilly tracked. Are you one of those as well ?
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I think it all depends on how paranoid and sensitive you are as to any anti-English feeling you may perceive to have against you, in general.
If you come to Scotland expecting to be abused for being English or whatever, then you will take every single comment seriously and to heart and you won't enjoy it. I moved to Scotland a couple of years ago from England. Both me and my wife have English accents. If anything, I prefer it up here because we've found the people to be friendlier than 'down south', not to mention the cheaper standard of life.
The only 'anti-English abuse' I've experienced has been in jest, whilst England were being humbled by someone at football. In much the same way as you might be called a 'southern Softie' in Manchester or a 'Northern Monkey' at Swanwick. It's not serious, it's a bit of banter and that's it.
Yes, there might be isolated incidents of kids being bullied at school. But kids get bullied at school up and down Britain every single day for any number of reasons.
If you come to Scotland expecting to be abused for being English or whatever, then you will take every single comment seriously and to heart and you won't enjoy it. I moved to Scotland a couple of years ago from England. Both me and my wife have English accents. If anything, I prefer it up here because we've found the people to be friendlier than 'down south', not to mention the cheaper standard of life.
The only 'anti-English abuse' I've experienced has been in jest, whilst England were being humbled by someone at football. In much the same way as you might be called a 'southern Softie' in Manchester or a 'Northern Monkey' at Swanwick. It's not serious, it's a bit of banter and that's it.
Yes, there might be isolated incidents of kids being bullied at school. But kids get bullied at school up and down Britain every single day for any number of reasons.
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Your last line just blows the major argument out of the water.... MACC to Prestwick is a hell of a lot shorter distance than Prestwick to the College, but you whinge that people cannot get transferred to DAT&S..... then again, it's probably the band 5 wage that you find attractive, and it really doesn't boil down to where you live.
Lifeistooshort, if you are so disgruntled and your move to the college has been veto-ed (sounds like you know through experience) why don't you move to LACC... or is the prospect of having to validate (which you would not need to do at the college), at a band 5 unit that puts you off?
As for bullying - I think you will find that down south it can be much worse and much more serious.... how many kids have been killed in Scotland for mobile phones etc?
As for your kids being picked up for pronounciation, unless you speak with no regional accent, the chances are it's a fair comment. Despite the Glaswegian accent, the Scottish diction is supposedly one of the clearest around. Maybe you should attend night school, dear chap!
Jeez, talk about stating the bleeding obvious.... of course in England every area is exactly the same as the other so it must have been a real shock for you when you had to go to Scotland to find that different areas have differing standards 
You've been in Scotland for 9 years yet you seem to hate every minute of it. Don't even try to claim that transfers have been veto-ed for all the time you have been there. Is it lack of ambition, or just lack of ability that has meant that you have stayed put in the hell hole you call Scotland? If I hated something as much as you profess to do, I would be a man about it... I certainly would not continue to subject my wife and kids to such an ordeal.
it has recently been decreed that 'Scottish' cannot release any Atcos who might want to go to the College, for at least the next 2-3 years!
Lifeistooshort, if you are so disgruntled and your move to the college has been veto-ed (sounds like you know through experience) why don't you move to LACC... or is the prospect of having to validate (which you would not need to do at the college), at a band 5 unit that puts you off?
As for bullying - I think you will find that down south it can be much worse and much more serious.... how many kids have been killed in Scotland for mobile phones etc?
As for your kids being picked up for pronounciation, unless you speak with no regional accent, the chances are it's a fair comment. Despite the Glaswegian accent, the Scottish diction is supposedly one of the clearest around. Maybe you should attend night school, dear chap!
So beware you Manchester guys and girls. Be very careful about where you decide to try to live as some places are a lot worse than others,....
You've been in Scotland for 9 years yet you seem to hate every minute of it. Don't even try to claim that transfers have been veto-ed for all the time you have been there. Is it lack of ambition, or just lack of ability that has meant that you have stayed put in the hell hole you call Scotland? If I hated something as much as you profess to do, I would be a man about it... I certainly would not continue to subject my wife and kids to such an ordeal.
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Distasteful comments by "lifeistooshort"
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With reference to the utterly distasteful comments by "lifeistooshort", I would like to dispell such nasty bordering on racist comments and fears by suggesting "lifeistooshort" applies for an ATC posting to Saudi Arabia. He or she with their family can then watch the weekly public executions for entertainment, rather than suffer the locals with such awful lifestyles in Scotland.
Quite frankly you need a reality check and a boot up the ar*e. If you don't like living and working in Scotland then leave, and do us all a favour.
Incidentally, as a persona non grata, your attempt to hide your real identity has failed. Using another username and e mail address has not disguised your real identity. Your unique IP address was easily traceable
Your flight to Jedda is boarding in two hours
Good luck .....
You will need it 
With reference to the utterly distasteful comments by "lifeistooshort", I would like to dispell such nasty bordering on racist comments and fears by suggesting "lifeistooshort" applies for an ATC posting to Saudi Arabia. He or she with their family can then watch the weekly public executions for entertainment, rather than suffer the locals with such awful lifestyles in Scotland.
Quite frankly you need a reality check and a boot up the ar*e. If you don't like living and working in Scotland then leave, and do us all a favour.
Incidentally, as a persona non grata, your attempt to hide your real identity has failed. Using another username and e mail address has not disguised your real identity. Your unique IP address was easily traceable
Your flight to Jedda is boarding in two hours
Good luck .....
You will need it
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Incidentally, as a persona non grata, your attempt to hide your real identity has failed. Using another username and e mail address has not disguised your real identity. Your unique IP address was easily traceable
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I don't normally post on pprune however lifeistooshort's post has compelled me to post for the first time. It has made me realise that I am in a really unfortunate position. You see, as my username suggests I am indeed Scottish. Bad enough I hear you cry but on top of that I am from the south west of scotland so not only am i a racist and poorly educated, i also speak so poorly that nobody can understand me! I reckon I should give up now.
I, like many of my countryfolk who live down here in the sunny south were never given a choice when it came to postings, it was LATCC/Swanwick or nothing, regardless of how good a compassionate case you may have had. I accepted my posting and got on with things, got a validation and love it down here. I get plenty of banter for being a jock but in true scottish fashion I give back as good as I get, its all part of the ops room banter, oooh I'm mad for the banter!!
If indeed we are poorly educated and speak so badly, how do you account for the large number of Scottish people who work as ATCO's, especially down south. Heaven knows how the pilots and our colleagues understand us, is it one grunt or too for climb?
Your post is an insult to everyone from Scotland, including those who you work with at Scottish. I am not going to deny that there isn't a problem with anti english behaviour. Those who engage in it seriously are very much in the minority and should grow up. However the majority of Scots will say things in jest, much in the same way as the irish and welsh may say things.
I have every symapthy for those at MACC who do not wish to relocate for family reasons. However for those who simply don't want to move because it is to that 'foreign country' I would implore them to ignore the rubbish that comes from some people and instead give Scotland, a part of Great Britain, a very beautiful part at that, full of very friendly people, a chance.
Anyway rant over. If I have made any spelling mistakes, or my grammar is sub standard then I apologise, it must be my sub standard ayrshire education. I'm off now to find a car with an england flag on it, i've got a spare brick that needs throwing!
I, like many of my countryfolk who live down here in the sunny south were never given a choice when it came to postings, it was LATCC/Swanwick or nothing, regardless of how good a compassionate case you may have had. I accepted my posting and got on with things, got a validation and love it down here. I get plenty of banter for being a jock but in true scottish fashion I give back as good as I get, its all part of the ops room banter, oooh I'm mad for the banter!!
If indeed we are poorly educated and speak so badly, how do you account for the large number of Scottish people who work as ATCO's, especially down south. Heaven knows how the pilots and our colleagues understand us, is it one grunt or too for climb?
Your post is an insult to everyone from Scotland, including those who you work with at Scottish. I am not going to deny that there isn't a problem with anti english behaviour. Those who engage in it seriously are very much in the minority and should grow up. However the majority of Scots will say things in jest, much in the same way as the irish and welsh may say things.
I have every symapthy for those at MACC who do not wish to relocate for family reasons. However for those who simply don't want to move because it is to that 'foreign country' I would implore them to ignore the rubbish that comes from some people and instead give Scotland, a part of Great Britain, a very beautiful part at that, full of very friendly people, a chance.
Anyway rant over. If I have made any spelling mistakes, or my grammar is sub standard then I apologise, it must be my sub standard ayrshire education. I'm off now to find a car with an england flag on it, i've got a spare brick that needs throwing!
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"The SNP Government have decided to do away with Council Tax in 3 years time , which sounds like a real vote winner. Until you realise that they want to take a flat rate 5% tax out of your wages irrespective of where you live or in what size of property. How does Council Tax of £2400 p.a. grab you!"
Well, most folks up here have a Council tax bill in excess of "£2,400", so it would "grab" us very well indeed thank you. Two married ATCO salaries would benefit the Council to the tune of about £8,000 per anum. This could go towards educating all these terrible locals!
Incidentally, I never see any locals torching cars and running riot like the ones on the news south of Hadrian's Wall.....
Well, most folks up here have a Council tax bill in excess of "£2,400", so it would "grab" us very well indeed thank you. Two married ATCO salaries would benefit the Council to the tune of about £8,000 per anum. This could go towards educating all these terrible locals!
Incidentally, I never see any locals torching cars and running riot like the ones on the news south of Hadrian's Wall.....
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The IAA might be in the market for qualified controllers, if you are not happy with your lot in Scotland
The IAA might be in the market for qualified controllers, if you are not happy with your lot in Scotland
Might not be worth the risk of giving up a posting and country you detest after all...
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We have named a reporting point after this ... best said in a Northern Ireland accent .. it's BALIX.
BALIX - currently on a PPRUNE sabatical