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Free range driving permits are driver specific at Gatwick, our minibus is equipped with radios and beacon so it can be free-ranged on the airfield.
Fair enough then, that might be an idea to get the bus round quicker!!
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I'm surprised there is no staff channel through security.In HK we had a similar trek to work through the terminal,but the process was vastly quicker as we very seldom had a wait at security.They used to move pax out of the way to let us through.(Royality eh
) We also had to pass through immigration to leave work.No problems.
There was never any gripes about the trip through the terminal.Plenty about where they put the airport though.I think it's the LL creme have never had to pass through airport security before to get to work,and they resent it.
Just wait they'll be moaning that it sways in the wind,making them sick.Also in low cloud cover the VCR is IMC,but the airport is OK.No doubt there will be another £150K found to pamper them again.
) We also had to pass through immigration to leave work.No problems.There was never any gripes about the trip through the terminal.Plenty about where they put the airport though.I think it's the LL creme have never had to pass through airport security before to get to work,and they resent it.
Just wait they'll be moaning that it sways in the wind,making them sick.Also in low cloud cover the VCR is IMC,but the airport is OK.No doubt there will be another £150K found to pamper them again.
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I understand, correct me if I am wrong please, that the old tower was not airside, so now that it is you guys should be issued security IDs to work and go airside.
This in turn would allow you through security in the terminal through the staff route? I assume they have one at T3?
This in turn would allow you through security in the terminal through the staff route? I assume they have one at T3?
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You make some very good points, it isn't all doom and gloom, I for one am looking forward to the move. The are, or have been, problems with communication, so the operational staff have had some worries only recently appeased re food and catering, gonzo is coorect though in that there is no plumbed drinking water, although I believe management are going to provide us with bottled water. It had better be Perrier or I'm out the door
And not of that fizzy rubbish.
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A bit of an unfair criticism of Gonzo, if your just trying to bait him then fair enough
, but he's a good guy and a valuable contributor to these boards, you can't knock him for listing the negatives since that's pretty much the crux of this thread!
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Most controllers have free ranging driving permits, however it seems our bus drivers don't at the moment, I'm sure this can be sorted in the short term hopefully.
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Everything you say here is correct, however if you've ever seen the staff route at T3 it can take up to 20 minutes at shift change over times, equally other times it can take less than 5.
You make some very good points, it isn't all doom and gloom, I for one am looking forward to the move. The are, or have been, problems with communication, so the operational staff have had some worries only recently appeased re food and catering, gonzo is coorect though in that there is no plumbed drinking water, although I believe management are going to provide us with bottled water. It had better be Perrier or I'm out the door
And not of that fizzy rubbish.2miles600feet
Perhaps if you spent less time complaining (about virtually everything it seems), your management might feel more inclined to treat you with the utmost respect you obviously feel you deserve.
, but he's a good guy and a valuable contributor to these boards, you can't knock him for listing the negatives since that's pretty much the crux of this thread!747-436
Most controllers have free ranging driving permits, however it seems our bus drivers don't at the moment, I'm sure this can be sorted in the short term hopefully.
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I understand, correct me if I am wrong please, that the old tower was not airside, so now that it is you guys should be issued security IDs to work and go airside.
This in turn would allow you through security in the terminal through the staff route? I assume they have one at T3?
This in turn would allow you through security in the terminal through the staff route? I assume they have one at T3?
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There are staff security points in all the terminals but these are still busy and sometimes shut as BAA are short of staff and staff get pulled to cover the passenger terminals. Certainly happens down Terminal 4 way.
Years ago in 2000 when I worked at Terminal 3 for a year there was a security post tucked away in the departures baggage processing area. Could be airside in less than 2 minutes.
Don't think you could do that now days though!!
Years ago in 2000 when I worked at Terminal 3 for a year there was a security post tucked away in the departures baggage processing area. Could be airside in less than 2 minutes.
Don't think you could do that now days though!!
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Are we suggesting buffet lunches as a matter of course here?!! At occasional meetings maybe, but as a regular thing? I think you may have got the wrong end of the stick there
Still, a good rumour for Heathrow bashers to add to their ammunition!
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I'm surprised there is no staff channel through security.In HK we had a similar trek to work through the terminal,but the process was vastly quicker as we very seldom had a wait at security.They used to move pax out of the way to let us through.(Royality eh ) We also had to pass through immigration to leave work.No problems.
There was never any gripes about the trip through the terminal.Plenty about where they put the airport though.I think it's the LL creme have never had to pass through airport security before to get to work,and they resent it.
Just wait they'll be moaning that it sways in the wind,making them sick.Also in low cloud cover the VCR is IMC,but the airport is OK.No doubt there will be another £150K found to pamper them again.
) We also had to pass through immigration to leave work.No problems.There was never any gripes about the trip through the terminal.Plenty about where they put the airport though.I think it's the LL creme have never had to pass through airport security before to get to work,and they resent it.
Just wait they'll be moaning that it sways in the wind,making them sick.Also in low cloud cover the VCR is IMC,but the airport is OK.No doubt there will be another £150K found to pamper them again.
Secondly, when the tower is in cloud this is a situation known as ICAO Vis 2. There are procedures for this - you might like to read them.
Thirdly, the word is ROYALTY.
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That is why Throw a Dyce and the likes of me feel aggrieved. We at the 'regional' units are obviously not 'valued' by this company. Good to see you Heathrow boys obviously agree with this policy as you have just stated above! Arrogant?
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I really don't know why I bother, but anyway....
If your WP meant that you'd be working more than the max number of hours per week in the model, then you would also get days given back to you to bring the average hours worked under that maximum. If you don't understand what I just said, ask your union reps.
If your WP meant that you'd be working more than the max number of hours per week in the model, then you would also get days given back to you to bring the average hours worked under that maximum. If you don't understand what I just said, ask your union reps.
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I pointed out that what is happening is NOT pampering but good business sense (as a means of putting down yet another sniping comment at LL) and then get accused of arrogance. What a marvellously intuitive mind you have. I neither agreed or disagreed with the policy, that is something that you kindly decided for me.
i'm a fully paid up and active member of our union and i wholeheartedly want to get the best deal for ALL of the NATS ATCOs not just LL. So if you want to have a proper conversation about this issue, get that chip of your shoulder and stop putting words into my mouth.
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I was replying to your point that this company looks after the people that they value, your quote. If they then always seem to give the Band 5 guys the better deal, then it does not take a genius to work out that everyone else is not valued. That then generates resentment or in your words 'a chip on the shoulder'.
"And you may well perceive them as being pampered but most large companies look after employees that they value."
We are arguing here about Heathrow. If you use this statement it is insinuating that NATS values Heathrow (obvious) and looks after them but what about the rest of us? Maybe it's just my 'marvellously intuitive mind' but that's why we feel resentful and want an even playing field.
We have moved tower, are renegotiating WP but do not seem to get the same backing off the union as others in the 'limelight'.
Hope that is less offensive, wouldn't want to upset you
I was replying to your point that this company looks after the people that they value, your quote. If they then always seem to give the Band 5 guys the better deal, then it does not take a genius to work out that everyone else is not valued. That then generates resentment or in your words 'a chip on the shoulder'.
"And you may well perceive them as being pampered but most large companies look after employees that they value."
We are arguing here about Heathrow. If you use this statement it is insinuating that NATS values Heathrow (obvious) and looks after them but what about the rest of us? Maybe it's just my 'marvellously intuitive mind' but that's why we feel resentful and want an even playing field.
We have moved tower, are renegotiating WP but do not seem to get the same backing off the union as others in the 'limelight'.
Hope that is less offensive, wouldn't want to upset you
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Re: "backing of the union"
It was a local negotiation until NSL took it upon themselves to get involved. It then became a national issue. Something that the local reps and I suspect local management did not think would happen.
It did, NSL management have tabled the offer on WP. Should we reject it on the basis an ATCO at EDI and another at Aberdeen* are complaining on PPRune about our pampered ways?
*mereley using the last few posts as examples here.
It was a local negotiation until NSL took it upon themselves to get involved. It then became a national issue. Something that the local reps and I suspect local management did not think would happen.
It did, NSL management have tabled the offer on WP. Should we reject it on the basis an ATCO at EDI and another at Aberdeen* are complaining on PPRune about our pampered ways?
*mereley using the last few posts as examples here.
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[QUOTE=Point Seven;2998531]i'm a fully paid up and active member of our union and i wholeheartedly want to get the best deal for ALL of the NATS ATCOs not just LL. So if you want to have a proper conversation about this issue, get that chip of your shoulder and stop putting words into my mouth.
P7,
You are supposed to start a sentence with a capital,and use capitals for I.
Well it does look like The Creme de la Creme as turned a wee bit sour. Sorry about my typo.Got to really dot the i and cross the t.Not sorry about the drivel though.Interesting how a lot of what is being said is put to one side as it might have some truth to it.Anyway £157k p.a. could pay for a lot of lower Band Atcos to get some reward for the work they actually do.That's before LL get compensation for having to walk a bit further.Pour souls.
P7,
You are supposed to start a sentence with a capital,and use capitals for I.
Well it does look like The Creme de la Creme as turned a wee bit sour.
Sorry about my typo.Got to really dot the i and cross the t.Not sorry about the drivel though.Interesting how a lot of what is being said is put to one side as it might have some truth to it.Anyway £157k p.a. could pay for a lot of lower Band Atcos to get some reward for the work they actually do.That's before LL get compensation for having to walk a bit further.Pour souls.
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[QUOTE=throw a dyce;2998777.Anyway £157k p.a. could pay for a lot of lower Band Atcos to get some reward for the work they actually do.That's before LL get compensation for having to walk a bit further.Pour souls.[/QUOTE]
And while we're at it we could also get rid of the cars that gatwick controllers use to get to their tower and make them walk a bit further eh?!? Just to "give a lower band atco some reward"?!? And the same applies to any other unit that has some form of transport to take them to their tower eh?!? What a load of nonsense!!!
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And while we're at it we could also get rid of the cars that gatwick controllers use to get to their tower and make them walk a bit further eh?!? Just to "give a lower band atco some reward"?!? And the same applies to any other unit that has some form of transport to take them to their tower eh?!? What a load of nonsense!!!
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If your WP meant that you'd be working more than the max number of hours per week in the model, then you would also get days given back to you to bring the average hours worked under that maximum. If you don't understand what I just said, ask your union reps.
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The thing that gets me with this is the fact that our colleagues at LL seem to think that the fact it MAY take an extra 20 minutes to get to work deserves some sort of recompense either in the form of a cash payment or TOIL (which will have to be bought back by NATS since there will no doubt not be enough available leave to take the TOIL)
Whichever way you look at it, it is NATS pampering the babies at LL who have thrown teddy out of the cot because they have to get out of bed a bit earlier.
Welcome to the world of the regional airports who have to deal with the same old handed down by management on a daily basis and who also moan and groan but nothing gets done because "we don't have the money"
As I understand it AAVA's are rostered at LL just in case someone is sick (I stand to be corrected on that point). Us poor buggers at the regionals are being told to cut back on AAVA's and close positions because the budget won't allow for it.
We might not move the big jets but we move a hell of a lot of little things mixed in with the big jets, do we moan and groan NO we do the job we are paid to do and get out of bed when we need to to get to work.
Point 7 you were the baby on the course, you and you're colleagues are acting like babies now, time to grow up
with this is the fact that our colleagues at LL seem to think that the fact it MAY take an extra 20 minutes to get to work deserves some sort of recompense either in the form of a cash payment or TOIL (which will have to be bought back by NATS since there will no doubt not be enough available leave to take the TOIL)Whichever way you look at it, it is NATS pampering the babies at LL who have thrown teddy out of the cot because they have to get out of bed a bit earlier.
Welcome to the world of the regional airports who have to deal with the same old
handed down by management on a daily basis and who also moan and groan but nothing gets done because "we don't have the money"As I understand it AAVA's are rostered at LL just in case someone is sick (I stand to be corrected on that point). Us poor buggers at the regionals are being told to cut back on AAVA's and close positions because the budget won't allow for it.
We might not move the big jets but we move a hell of a lot of little things mixed in with the big jets, do we moan and groan NO we do the job we are paid to do and get out of bed when we need to to get to work.
Point 7 you were the baby on the course, you and you're colleagues are acting like babies now, time to grow up