NATS UK ATCO Pay offer: What do you think?
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New NATS Pay Deal (Again, sorry...)
Hi all,
I'm half-way through the NATS application process and the news of the new pay deal worries me slightly - to the extent that I am seriously considering withdrawing my application.
I was always expecting to take a pay cut to join NATS but £10k is ridiculous, is this final or is the vote yet to take place?
Cheers,
Matt
I'm half-way through the NATS application process and the news of the new pay deal worries me slightly - to the extent that I am seriously considering withdrawing my application.
I was always expecting to take a pay cut to join NATS but £10k is ridiculous, is this final or is the vote yet to take place?
Cheers,
Matt
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mattcarus,
Do you want to be an ATCO?-if the answer is a resounding "yes" than you will put up with the reduced salary PLUS £100 week living costs. Once you get through the progression up the scale is quick with a salary around £48k after 4 years. This deal is aimed to reward those who get through the course and validate to become a useful and productive controller. Hard I know but unfortunately true in this modern world we live in.
At least you do get trained and paid at the same time-not always the case in some other professions I can think of.
Do you want to be an ATCO?-if the answer is a resounding "yes" than you will put up with the reduced salary PLUS £100 week living costs. Once you get through the progression up the scale is quick with a salary around £48k after 4 years. This deal is aimed to reward those who get through the course and validate to become a useful and productive controller. Hard I know but unfortunately true in this modern world we live in.
At least you do get trained and paid at the same time-not always the case in some other professions I can think of.
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I wouldn't today be able to afford to start at the college as a trainee, it was hard enough 15 years ago when we were getting paid more a year (without living expenses admittedly) than the proposal we are voting on. I struggled to keep my head above water financially the whole time I was at Bournemouth as I had earned considerably more prior to becoming an ATCO.
There is no use using the argument oh well if you are only in it for the money what use are you, many of us do not have the financial back up behind us of parents to keep us going as will be the case of students at the college today.
Isn't it great that our students will probably be able to claim income support as they are paid such a low salary or have to do a second job just to keep a roof over their heads and run a car to get them to and from college
There is no use using the argument oh well if you are only in it for the money what use are you, many of us do not have the financial back up behind us of parents to keep us going as will be the case of students at the college today.
Isn't it great that our students will probably be able to claim income support as they are paid such a low salary or have to do a second job just to keep a roof over their heads and run a car to get them to and from college
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well said - we are going to lose a lot of people joining on second careers. These people are a big help on course bringing a bit of maturity to some of the wet behind the ears school leavers.
Mind you, the youngsters play their part by adding a bit of youthful enthusiasm and spirit. We are in danger of losing that mix with the new student pay levels.
I don't know if you have heard the rumour that management are thinking of putting initial training out to tender (possibly Germany I heard) - this will be another way of putting people off IMHO.
'World leaders in ATM'?? Management are doing a great job to make sure we never live up to this boast they make. If the rumour is true, then how can we claim to be world leaders if we cannot train our own ab-initios from scratch??
well said - we are going to lose a lot of people joining on second careers. These people are a big help on course bringing a bit of maturity to some of the wet behind the ears school leavers.
Mind you, the youngsters play their part by adding a bit of youthful enthusiasm and spirit. We are in danger of losing that mix with the new student pay levels.
I don't know if you have heard the rumour that management are thinking of putting initial training out to tender (possibly Germany I heard) - this will be another way of putting people off IMHO.
'World leaders in ATM'?? Management are doing a great job to make sure we never live up to this boast they make. If the rumour is true, then how can we claim to be world leaders if we cannot train our own ab-initios from scratch??
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Are the ballot forms being posted to home addresses or picked up at work? I know of at least 5 union members on my watch that haven't received them yet - or is that the idea to get the vote through.................... 
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I guess they can only react to the information each person gives them. If the address isn't up to date than you probably won't get a vote-a bit like any other organisation-they aren't psychic. And even the conspiracists would have trouble thinking that Prospect know who would vote "no" and sending out ballot forms accordingly.
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5, you can access your contact details that prospect have through their website
www.prospect.org.uk
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www.prospect.org.uk
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Cheers for that manc boy - I have informed Prospect using the official form by post twice now with no success -will try the geek net route.
And yes, still waiting for a ballot paper - time running short.
And yes, still waiting for a ballot paper - time running short.
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Harsh view......
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mattcarus,
Do you want to be an ATCO?-if the answer is a resounding "yes" than you will put up with the reduced salary PLUS £100 week living costs. Once you get through the progression up the scale is quick with a salary around £48k after 4 years. This deal is aimed to reward those who get through the course and validate to become a useful and productive controller. Hard I know but unfortunately true in this modern world we live in.
At least you do get trained and paid at the same time-not always the case in some other professions I can think of.
Do you want to be an ATCO?-if the answer is a resounding "yes" than you will put up with the reduced salary PLUS £100 week living costs. Once you get through the progression up the scale is quick with a salary around £48k after 4 years. This deal is aimed to reward those who get through the course and validate to become a useful and productive controller. Hard I know but unfortunately true in this modern world we live in.
At least you do get trained and paid at the same time-not always the case in some other professions I can think of.
I am not concerned with taking a pay cut because I enjoy living like a king (I wish) in fact the pay cut would be only a matter of a few hundred pounds a year. My worry is if the new trainee salary is voted in. Just because I am not prepared to break up with my partner and sell our flat to be able to afford to train does not mean I lack drive and determination. I am unable to achieve the impossible.
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Cheers for that link Manc, looks like a Prospect problem as the website had a different address for me, suprising as I know I've changed it as I've been receiving all other Prospect related mail. Now who's thinking "conspiricy" 
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NATS Pay?
Im due to start CATC in March and understand there has been a significant pay reduction to £10k, and although im not in this for the money, i will therefore be having to cut my current salary by 50% in order to start my new career.
I wanted to know if you can help me out with a couple of things, so i can be fully prepared for a few lifestyle changes.
1. Will the £100 tax free living allowance be included in the new pay deal or is this besing scrapped?
2. Can someone xplain to me the NATS pay bands once validated,- there are Bands 1-5 i believe, is this dependant on the unit - a smaller/quieter unit being less paid, and Swanwick/Heathrow being a higher paid band? - if so - what are the average pay scales for each of the bands i can be likely to expect?
Thanks for the help.
I wanted to know if you can help me out with a couple of things, so i can be fully prepared for a few lifestyle changes.
1. Will the £100 tax free living allowance be included in the new pay deal or is this besing scrapped?
2. Can someone xplain to me the NATS pay bands once validated,- there are Bands 1-5 i believe, is this dependant on the unit - a smaller/quieter unit being less paid, and Swanwick/Heathrow being a higher paid band? - if so - what are the average pay scales for each of the bands i can be likely to expect?
Thanks for the help.
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hi
i havent got as far as you yet but i do know that the proposed 10K pay is to be voted on around the 8th Feb so its not definite yet. at the moment it stands at around 15K with £100 week expenses?
The only reason i know this, is that we were told this during our test day last tuesday. So dont panic just yet..........he didnt seem to think it would be voted in but if so, it will be tax free so i guess will work out around £7-800 per month???
hope this is some help!!
Lou
i havent got as far as you yet but i do know that the proposed 10K pay is to be voted on around the 8th Feb so its not definite yet. at the moment it stands at around 15K with £100 week expenses?
The only reason i know this, is that we were told this during our test day last tuesday. So dont panic just yet..........he didnt seem to think it would be voted in but if so, it will be tax free so i guess will work out around £7-800 per month???
hope this is some help!!
Lou