NATS UK ATCO Pay offer: What do you think?
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Originally Posted by TATC
It is about to change with the new pay deal.
Salary while at CATC will be circa £10,000, with a modest living allowance.
On leaving the college sucessfully it will rise to £15,000 and then £16,000 a year later.
Salary while at CATC will be circa £10,000, with a modest living allowance.
On leaving the college sucessfully it will rise to £15,000 and then £16,000 a year later.
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good to see there are so many good samaritans worried about trainee pay, it is a good idea to give them something to work to, and thn the money shoots up, people don't get paid much more than peanuts at law college, or as trainee accountants, but when they qualify they are rewarded, as are we.
the pay deal has its ups and downs
banding will never be fixed, but when will you listen, people cannot transfer to your band 5 places, it is not allowed, and there are no VNs
TC is a broad term, the area controllers in there are worth paying band 6, as they are far busier than NERC with less people, but I still have to wonder about the controller on thames radar sat in the same room on top whack wages.
funny old game
let's go on strike!!
the pay deal has its ups and downs
banding will never be fixed, but when will you listen, people cannot transfer to your band 5 places, it is not allowed, and there are no VNs
TC is a broad term, the area controllers in there are worth paying band 6, as they are far busier than NERC with less people, but I still have to wonder about the controller on thames radar sat in the same room on top whack wages.
funny old game
let's go on strike!!
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Far busier than http://www.nerc.ac.uk/ ..... yeah, well they would be, wouldn't they
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Far busier than http://www.nerc.ac.uk/ ..... yeah, well they would be, wouldn't they
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Originally Posted by Nick Falzone
banding will never be fixed, but when will you listen, people cannot transfer to your band 5 places, it is not allowed, and there are no VNs
TC is a broad term, the area controllers in there are worth paying band 6, as they are far busier than NERC with less people, but I still have to wonder about the controller on thames radar sat in the same room on top whack wages.
funny old game
let's go on strike!!
TC is a broad term, the area controllers in there are worth paying band 6, as they are far busier than NERC with less people, but I still have to wonder about the controller on thames radar sat in the same room on top whack wages.
funny old game
let's go on strike!!
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So you think that an area validation would help when applying for VN to approach only at TC? There's a guy at EGCC approach (ie wouldnt need to be sent to the college to do an approach course, unlike people with are validations) who has been waiting more than a year thus far to get released to TC.
And don't get me started on the last VN for EGCC tower/approach..... pleeeeease!
The only point I was trying to make was that transfer requests do not work out of MACC, not that I personally wish to, so whenever people from NERC shout about having plenty vacancies, come and have a go etc, it isnt that simple, as a lot of people would rather be there than have an impending move to Scottish.
I am more than happy with my lot, although more money would never be turned down.
And don't get me started on the last VN for EGCC tower/approach..... pleeeeease!
The only point I was trying to make was that transfer requests do not work out of MACC, not that I personally wish to, so whenever people from NERC shout about having plenty vacancies, come and have a go etc, it isnt that simple, as a lot of people would rather be there than have an impending move to Scottish.
I am more than happy with my lot, although more money would never be turned down.
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That was postyed by a MACC controller if you read carefully - so arrogance does not come in to it.
Ignorance?? Well NERC is busier than TC - it's busiest unit in Europe, TC is 4th - according to a recent report.
However, that is based solely on number of flights, including overflights and does not include complexity.
Banding is an emotive issue an is difficult to quantify. However when the banding was established - TC and NERC where given the highest scores for complexity/level of traffic, with TC ahead of NERC, both had scores well above 1100 (whatever that scoring meant). Heathrow, the other unit that is Band 5 that has a controlling function, had a score in the mid 900s.
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons - was EGLL really a Band 5 unit or was it a Band 4 unit but the powers that be felt they had to put 'the worlds busiest (international) airport' in the Band 5 category??
That was postyed by a MACC controller if you read carefully - so arrogance does not come in to it.
Ignorance?? Well NERC is busier than TC - it's busiest unit in Europe, TC is 4th - according to a recent report.
However, that is based solely on number of flights, including overflights and does not include complexity.
Banding is an emotive issue an is difficult to quantify. However when the banding was established - TC and NERC where given the highest scores for complexity/level of traffic, with TC ahead of NERC, both had scores well above 1100 (whatever that scoring meant). Heathrow, the other unit that is Band 5 that has a controlling function, had a score in the mid 900s.
Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons - was EGLL really a Band 5 unit or was it a Band 4 unit but the powers that be felt they had to put 'the worlds busiest (international) airport' in the Band 5 category??
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"So you think that an area validation would help when applying for VN to approach only at TC? There's a guy at EGCC approach (ie wouldnt need to be sent to the college to do an approach course, unlike people with are validations) who has been waiting more than a year thus far to get released to TC."
the fact that it takes ages to get released from manchester is not the fault of the band 5 units. It is the same the other end of the scale - ie moving from EGLL tower to another unit.
You always have to wait for replacement before you can get released wherever you work and in almost all jobs.
the fact that it takes ages to get released from manchester is not the fault of the band 5 units. It is the same the other end of the scale - ie moving from EGLL tower to another unit.
You always have to wait for replacement before you can get released wherever you work and in almost all jobs.
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I don't really like the banding system. We all do the same job. Plus with us at Swanwick giving more and more airspace to manchester, surely they deserve to be a band 5?? I think there are too many divisions in this job. But thats just me!! Ha ha
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'And don't get me started on the last VN for EGCC tower/approach..... pleeeeease!'
I wasted time out of my busy life to apply to that self elevated place Manchester. My face obviously didn't fit either or I wasn't the other half of an ATCO1 with no experience in the tower or even an approach rating(How that person got the job I will never know). Just out of interest they are again thinking of taking people direct from the college as they are really short(What a surprise). I have an idea. Stop making valid controllers jump through hoops to get in there and have the indignity of having to be interviewed by 2 self important people when the controllers have the backing of their own G.M. and a recommendation to move in the first place. We aren't applying for a management position! Problem solved!!!!
Also everyone may be interested on the latest rumour of Warton coming into the NATS family. I have no problem with this however the controllers there are currently paid equivalent of a Band4 unit and would have to remain the same if they joined NATS. Flushes the whole banding system and the model/equation down the cr****r and is going to cause uproar and even more resentment if it occurs.
By the way I think the pay deal is ok as a lower band ATCO. Everyone for a change is getting the same %. Extra 3 days we have got away with in the past but are in our contract so can't complain. Not an OJTI as the majority at airports aren't and 15 grand as a student (including allowances) isn't bad. Not as good as before but may attract the people who really want to control rather than those looking for a good wage. It could backfire as I am aware but we will have to wait and see.
Hootin
'And don't get me started on the last VN for EGCC tower/approach..... pleeeeease!'
I wasted time out of my busy life to apply to that self elevated place Manchester. My face obviously didn't fit either or I wasn't the other half of an ATCO1 with no experience in the tower or even an approach rating(How that person got the job I will never know). Just out of interest they are again thinking of taking people direct from the college as they are really short(What a surprise). I have an idea. Stop making valid controllers jump through hoops to get in there and have the indignity of having to be interviewed by 2 self important people when the controllers have the backing of their own G.M. and a recommendation to move in the first place. We aren't applying for a management position! Problem solved!!!!
Also everyone may be interested on the latest rumour of Warton coming into the NATS family. I have no problem with this however the controllers there are currently paid equivalent of a Band4 unit and would have to remain the same if they joined NATS. Flushes the whole banding system and the model/equation down the cr****r and is going to cause uproar and even more resentment if it occurs.
By the way I think the pay deal is ok as a lower band ATCO. Everyone for a change is getting the same %. Extra 3 days we have got away with in the past but are in our contract so can't complain. Not an OJTI as the majority at airports aren't and 15 grand as a student (including allowances) isn't bad. Not as good as before but may attract the people who really want to control rather than those looking for a good wage. It could backfire as I am aware but we will have to wait and see.
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I've got interview in Feb.....
Originally Posted by Gonzo
TATC,
Union literature I have in front of me says that under the new pay deal, 10k at the college, as you say, and then 18k, then 19k a year later.
Union literature I have in front of me says that under the new pay deal, 10k at the college, as you say, and then 18k, then 19k a year later.
I was told at first assesment that we would get 17k basic plus £100 per week living expenses.
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i heard a rumour that this 10000 while trg would be tax free?? any confirmation on that? and what is 'modest living expenses' entail?!?
the other question is, will it be voted in?
the other question is, will it be voted in?
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Just out of interest who says that "NATS is a world leader in ATC management". The management thats who!. How do they quantify that?. I am a "worker" and as such I would take issue with that statement. If NATS is a world leader in ATM, then I am glad I dont work for any of the others.
NATS should move the centres, CTC and the college, all to the highlands of Scotland. There's a nice bunker going spare near Aberdeen! Then you would not need a pay rise. If you are going to place everything in the V expensive southern "riviera" then you will have problems paying people enough to live/rent etc.
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not arguing with you there - The company and management are pants but the workers are amongst the best.
But if they (management) have any delusions about being the best surely they cannot farm out the basic training?!!!?
not arguing with you there - The company and management are pants but the workers are amongst the best.
But if they (management) have any delusions about being the best surely they cannot farm out the basic training?!!!?
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Far aboots is iss bunker?There's some nice £600K+ houses going up round the corner.Try getting one of those on Band 2 money? There is an oil industry here but then I don't think anyone in the Saaf has noticed yet