TUI Airways

[NorthEasterner]

Thomson has now officially changed over to TUI. All travel stores, aircraft, website have moved over to TUI, including the AOC.

[clipstone1]

Such a shame to see the Thomson name vanish from the high street and everywhere else after 50+ years

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[crewmeal]

Same with loosing Britannia. Such a great British institution.

[daz211]

Britannia should never have rebrand in the good old days of leasure travel Britannia was the premier carrier and had class now every charter/holiday airline/flight is the same shame things move on

[P330]

TUI have been operating a couple of -9 variants of the 787 for a little while now. I was wondering if these are put at specific bases on set routes or if the 787 schedule is flexible across both variants?

Certainly when you book a flight, you only know you will be flying on a Dreamliner.

[chaps1954]

They are Gatwick based at present

[bjones4]

TUI do now let you select your seat at time of booking if you're in premium and for our flights to Cancun in September 2018 from Manchester we appear to have a 787-9 both ways so there's at least one outside Gatwick next year. (IIRC they do take delivery of TUIL and M next spring)

[Vokes55]

The -9s do have their own line of flying, generally the high density routes from Gatwick to Cancun, MoBay and Sanford are almost all on the -9.

Not sure of the plans for the two new arrivals next year, I'd imagine three at Gatwick, one at Manchester. They're much more premium heavy than the -8s, so better suited to the LGW market.

[LAX_LHR]

The -9 will do MJB/CUN/PUJ from MAN as those routes are more than capable of supporting the extra premium seats. When the -9 was used on its proving flights from MAN-MBJ. The extra premium seats were put on sale last minute and still sold out.

[P330]

Thanks folks.

Off to CUN in March from MAN, so assuming from your replies we're more likely to be on an -8.

[NorthEasterner]

Would TUI be interested in the 787-10? Or would that be too much capacity for them?

[Plane.Silly]

Depends how much they value the extra 30-40 seats vs the extra millions of $$$ it'll cost. Personally, i think they may have their niche with the -8 and -9, so i can't see it, but the business case wouldn't bee too far off if the loads are consistently 95%+,

[sparkie320]

Anyone know if Sunwings are being used next year from Norwich
or Germania back

[NickBarnes]

sunwing Mark

[sparkie320]

Cheers
maybe i get to grab C-FEAK this time, missed the only visit it made to Norwich whilst covering one of the others
and hope they dont brake so hard too

[Gordon_uk3]

Does anyone know when TUI start using their new Radio Callsign of TUI AIR?

[Skipness One Echo]

Why change that? Flybe are STILL using “Jersey”. Actually, they could easily change the callsign back to “Britannia”.

[Una Due Tfc]

The three letter designator TUI has the call sign "TUI jet" atm

[oceanhawk]

Tui air callsign to start being used on or around the first of November.

[canberra97]

As much as I feel sorry to see the Thomson brand name disappear after nearly 50 years and is now known as TUI but the times I have seen the name often incorrectly spelt as 'Thompson' on these and other forums has been so frustrating, I should imagine over time we're probably see posts with TIU.

[Gordon_uk3]

Tui air callsign to start being used on or around the first of November.

Thanks for the reply

[Una Due Tfc]

As much as I feel sorry to see the Thomson brand name disappear after nearly 50 years and is now known as TUI but the times I have seen the name often incorrectly spelt as 'Thompson' on these and other forums has been so frustrating, I should imagine over time we're probably see posts with TIU.

Like Qantas being spelled "Quantas", or Stansted being spelled "Stanstead". Also the number of people who write "loose" instead of "lose" is enormous.

[canberra97]

I am with you there as those are other equally annoying spelling errors.

[crewmeal]

I can't get my head around the pronunciation of Tui, how you guys flying manage with 'foreign' ATC is going to be fun. But all is not lost

How To Pronounce TUI Travel (http://www.pronouncekiwi.com/TUI%20Travel)

[toledoashley]

Two-ee (or at least that is the closest I can think of)

[22/04]

Touristic Union International wouldn't be as trendy would it- anyone else remember that on the side of chartered coaches meeting Germanair flights in the 70s.

I assume a direct lineage can be traced

[clipstone1]

Absolutely the German tour operator just started using the acronym some years ago, which over the last 20 years has slowly spread around Europe with the acquisitions made by TUI AG (which was originally Preussag AG)

[NickBarnes]

See the Winter 2018/19 flights are on sale, Notice the NWI - TFS has been reduced to once weekly but timings suggest the aircraft now originates in NWI with flights: NWI -TFS 10:25 - 14:55 TFS - NWI 16:05 - 20:35. Year round base on the cards?

[gilesdavies]

Anyone know what is going on with BY6635 Palma to Cardiff operated by G-FDZW, has been routed to Luton...

When looking at routing on FR24, doesn't look like it diverted at last minute, and flew the usual hold pattern before touching down.

Currently showing as a three hour delay at Cardiff, but touched down about 1 hour late into Luton, from the Cardiff arrival time...

[Jerry123]

I believe it was an aircraft change.

[Refuellerman]

Like Qantas being spelled "Quantas", or Stansted being spelled "Stanstead". Also the number of people who write "loose" instead of "lose" is enormous.

Yes not everyone is a teacher, obviously we aren't all up to you're a* grammar, who cares?🤣

[chaps1954]

Was that G-OBYF last flight with TUI empty to Shannon this afternoon?

[oldbalboy]

YE will be WFU from 31/10, but YF is remaining may have gone over for maintenance

[StevieW]

I don't believe YE is being WFU, the 767s are due to be around for a few more years yet. It's off to Brussels on 1/11, one would assume a winter lease to TUI Belgium.

Much of the 767 maintenance is done in Shannon, and November is the ideal time between the end of the UK short haul Summer and the peak of the Nordic operations which the 767 will be deployed on during the winter.

[CabinCrewe]

Wonder why TUI Luton cant do 767 maintenance?

[sdh2903]

Perfectly capable just no room at the inn.

[yeo valley]

I don't believe YE is being WFU, the 767s are due to be around for a few more years yet. It's off to Brussels on 1/11, one would assume a winter lease to TUI Belgium.

Much of the 767 maintenance is done in Shannon, and November is the ideal time between the end of the UK short haul Summer and the peak of the Nordic operations which the 767 will be deployed on during the winter.
I'm sure it was YF I seen last Friday doing MAN to one of the canary islands.

[StevieW]

Almost certainly - all three operate short haul from Manchester during the Summer until the end of October.

[dmouse88]

Do we know what flights will be done by UK based TUI a/c, used on scandinavian flights during winter period Dec to Apr. According to flight mapper it looks like 3 787's and 2 767's, however with the flt's I am aware of it might be only 1 767. Any help would be appreciated.

[MUFC_fan]

I believe the 787s are doing UK and Scandi mixed. All 5 767s are in Scandinavia though. YE/F/G/H/K.

[Vokes55]

Two 788 and Four 763 based in Scandinavia this Winter.

[OntimeexceptACARS]

With TUI basing a B738 at Aberdeen next summer replacing the ASL France B737, does anyone know if there will be additional W pattern flights from other UK airports?

[FRatSTN]

I was under the impression that a TUI aircraft was moving from GLA to ABZ, though it would still occasionally operate the odd W flight into GLA.

Some other recent updates though... LTN will be seeing some additional sectors following Monarch's collapse albeit on other carriers, pretty much confirming I think the 3rd based aircraft will definitely not be operating. Having re-jigged the schedule for 2x based TUI aircraft, some of the existing services will now be operated by other carriers (noticeably PMI where I think now only the Tuesday service remains on TUI metal). So far it's only a Friday PMI by Air Europa and a Tuesday TFS by Travel Service that have confirmed operators.

STN will no longer have it's Sunday FAO do a W to BRS, that will now return straight back to STN and continue to operate a second weekly service to HER as it did in S17.

Other airports I'm not so familiar with but probably some similar changes here and there which may win or lose slightly from W patterns.

[Tomexmyt]

Thinking of going PVR from MAN in Dec 18. Does anyone know which 787 series it will be on?

[Vokes55]

Does it matter? Passenger experience is the same on both. Probably an -8

[CabinCrewe]

It must matter or the question wouldnt have been posed.
It also matter if considering seating locations for prebook.

[Tomexmyt]

I’ve been on the -8, just thought it might be the -9....

[chaps1954]

B789s based at LGW at present so are not seen at present though this may change as new ones are delivered next year.

[dmouse88]

Thinking of going PVR from MAN in Dec 18. Does anyone know which 787 series it will be on?
Looking ahead g-tuil due in mar 18 and g-tuim due may 18 there is every possibility that one or both will be based at MAN.

[chaps1954]

Once they do base one at MAN it will no doubt be rotated most likely when they are at an away airport

[1994Heavy]

What routes does the B757 and B767 fly from LGW?

[dmouse88]

You have'nt specified which period but all 767's committed to Scandinavian runs now until end of March.

[1994Heavy]

In the summer what routes does the B757 and B767 fly? All short haul or does the 767 help with the LH schedule

[Vokes55]

No 767 in Gatwick in Summer, all in Manchester.

757 guaranteed on BVC flights, otherwise a mix of the rest of the short haul operation.

[Buster the Bear]

FR24 indicates that G-TUIB has remained at Manchester since arriving from Goa on Nov 18th.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Maybe that is the one that has impact damage and is going to take Boeing a number of weeks to repair. :ok:

[1994Heavy]

I thought 3 were up in MAN and 1 remained at LGW?
Is the 767 mainly SH out of MAN? Or does it do some LH flights?

[oldbalboy]

All summer 18 flying on 767 is planned for MAN & all S/H

[ImPlaneCrazy]

FR24 indicates that G-TUIB has remained at Manchester since arriving from Goa on Nov 18th.

That'd be the one a chap hit with a belt loader! Got his accelerator and brake pedals mixed up, apparently.... :bored:

[LAX_LHR]

Hearing several reports that TUIB might not be salvageable? Something’s to do with the size of the hole and the way the skin is constructed in that part. Normal patch can’t quite cover it?

[pholling]

My guess is that it is entirely salvageable, though it might be very expensive. Though from Boeing's point of view that level of damage and source could be very expensive if it ends up a write-off, especially from GSE damage. Obviously the integral composite barrels are different than sheet metal, but I have seen an entire wing and adjacent fuselage structure replaced.

[Skipness One Echo]

Hearing several reports that TUIB might not be salvageable? Something’s to do with the size of the hole and the way the skin is constructed in that part. Normal patch can’t quite cover it?
Given that there was a hole burned in the roof of ET-AOP at Heathrow and it was declared a write up by many of us I suspect Boeing may yet surprise us. They're writing the book on how to repair these composite aircraft, they've also spent millions bringing the "terrible teens" up to spec on rebuild so a write off is not what they'd look to do unless it was beyond repair IMHO.

[1994Heavy]

Can't find this online, what's happened to the 787?

[sdh2903]

Hearing several reports that TUIB might not be salvageable? Something’s to do with the size of the hole and the way the skin is constructed in that part. Normal patch can’t quite cover it?

Nope. It's being repaired.

[pholling]

My guess is that the damage is outside the allowable for a standard SRM (Structural Repair Manual) repair, either time-limited or permanent. This would trigger further engineering support to design, substantiate, and potentially approve the repair. I have no idea on how TUI's mtc system operates, but for some airlines this might be totally in-house, others will go straight to Boeing, and in some cases it will be a mix of both. Regardless, this will extend the repair time, often considerably.

[Smudge's Lot]

AOG since 18th Nov, confirmed hit by baggage belt, Boeing sending a team of 20+ to fix, to take at least 3 weeks....

[sparkie320]

Is it too early to ask if TUI are using Sunwings ar Norwich, Belfast, Leeds, Dublin next year, and do they bring the same aircraft over each year or will it another 4

[dmouse88]

I see G-OBYE has been at St Athan since 22 Nov any ideas as to why as it was due to do Scandinavian flts this winter in support of F,G,and H which are all operating in that theatre at the moment?

[Jerry123]

It's coming off lease and going back to the lessor.

[Refuellerman]

A boeing 787's material make up is very complex indeed, a composite structure interwoven with copper amongst other materials

[Wycombe]

I see G-OBYE has been at St Athan since 22 Nov

Looks like she has left St Athan this morning US-bound.

[Jerry123]

Bangor in Maine.

[Vokes55]

Heading to Goodyear for Freighter conversion. Has to stop in Bangor to clear customs.

[NickBarnes]

Is it too early to ask if TUI are using Sunwings ar Norwich, Belfast, Leeds, Dublin next year, and do they bring the same aircraft over each year or will it another 4

Sunwing will be used at NWI next year

[bjones4]

Apologies if it's been mentioned and I've missed it but G-TUIB is now tail first inside the Thomas Cook hanger being attended to by Boeing engineers. From what I can gather TUI/Boeing are renting the floor space and have an cordoned off area in there.

[ImPlaneCrazy]

What would the situation be regarding payment/insurance on the TUIB issue? I assume that the ground handling agents insurance would be covering the repairs etc, would they also be liable for any subcharters that TUI need to carry out?

[LGS6753]

From AirlineRoute:

TUI Airways UK in summer 2018 season is adding various routes from UK, including selected routes previously suspended in 2017. Planned routes addition as follow.

Aberdeen – Bourgas 24MAY18 – 27SEP18 1 weekly 737-800
Aberdeen – Reus eff 06MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
Birmingham – Izmir eff 05MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
Birmingham – Podgorica 16MAY18 – 10OCT18 1 weekly 737-800
Birmingham – Venice 04MAY18 – 28SEP18 1 weekly 737-800
Bristol – Antalya eff 05OCT18 1 weekly 757
Bristol – Hurghada eff 05MAR18 1 weekly 757 (737-800 from 07MAY18)
Bristol – Skiathos 08MAY18 – 25SEP18 1 weekly 757
Doncaster/Sheffield – Kefallinia 03MAY18 – 27SEP18 1 weekly 737-800
Doncaster/Sheffield – Naples eff 07MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
East Midlands – Dubrovnik eff 03MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
Leeds/Bradford – Bourgas 24MAY18 – 27SEP18 1 weekly 737-800
Leeds/Bradford – Dalaman eff 01MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
Leeds/Bradford – Malaga eff 06MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
London Gatwick – Olbia eff 05MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
London Gatwick – Podgorica 16MAY18 – 14OCT18 2 weekly 737-800
London Gatwick – Varna 11MAY18 – 28SEP18 1 weekly 737-800 (2nd weekly operates 13JUL18 – 15SEP18 with 757)
London Luton – Dalaman eff 07MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
London Stansted – Bourgas 24MAY18 – 27SEP18 1 weekly 737-800
Manchester – Podgorica 20MAY18 – 14OCT18 1 weekly 737-800
Manchester – Varna 13JUL18 – 15SEP18 1 weekly 757
Newcastle – Dubrovnik eff 03MAY18 1 weekly 737-800
Newcastle – Thessaloniki 03MAY18 – 11OCT18 1 weekly 737-800
Norwich – Irakleion eff 01MAY18 1 weekly 737-800

[OltonPete]

BHX-VCE disappeared from flight only weeks ago and Izmir in the holiday section is on Thomas Cook but still 8 based aircraft so still plus 1 on 2017.

Venice was definitely bookable a month or so ago so something has changed.

[P330]

Just want to answer one of my own questions from a few weeks ago.

I now have sight of the seat maps and the TUI website shows a 789 operating into Manchester come April. So, indeed it looks like Manchester will see a mix of 788 and 789 operations by April 2018.

[BFS BHD]

Does anyone know if TUI are using a Sunwing aircraft for the BFS base in S18 again?

[pamann]

BFS/DUB

Same question comes up yearly.

From what I understand it is a long term agreement. So yes to 2018, yes to 2019. 99.9% yes for the next 10/15/20 years.

[BFS BHD]

Thanks! :)

[vrb03kt]

I reckon 99.9% certainty for anything in the airline industry over the next 6 months is fanciful, never mind the next 10/15/20 years! ;)

[clipstone1]

All the time that TUI owns 49% of sunwing I would suggest it's more than likely

[dmouse88]

I see G-TUIB is back up flying doing MAN-PUJ today BY112. 7 weeks out of action that would have been expensive.

[Curious Pax]

Surprised there doesn't seem to have test flight after major surgery. But then I'm not an engineer!

[peterhr]

One has to assume it's been inflated / pressure tested :)

[sparkie320]

Does anyone one know what 4 aircraft, are due across this Summer for TUI Assistance do they use the same aircraft each year to come across
i know Belfast, Dublin,Leeds, and Norwich are booked to be the bases this year
with Liverpool, Humberside being served by one of the bases in a W pattern

[Jerry123]

Does anyone know what carrier TUI will be using for their non based flights out of Antalya and Dalaman this summer?

[CabinCrewe]

Nice to see the first Max delivered to TUI, albeit to Belgium division.
Never keen on the 'tui.com' titles on the engines- just clutter- does anyone need that to find them online?!

[Paul Atkins144]

Yes Jerry flights will be operated by Freebird

[Jerry123]

Thank you for the reply!

[LGS6753]

From Blue Swan:
TUI Group outlined (29-Jan-2018) its fleet renewal strategy, as follows:

Fleet renewal will be complete by 2023;
70 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft on order including 52 737 MAX 8 and 18 737 MAX 10;
Nine 737 MAX 8 aircraft to be delivered by the end of 2018. To be operated by TUI in Belgium, Sweden, UK and the Netherlands;
20% lower kerosene consumption, 14% lower carbon emissions and 40% reduction in noise footprint compared to aircraft of the same size previously operated by TUI;
TUI operates a fleet of 150 aircraft.

[MUFC_fan]

MAX 10s to replace the 757 fleet in the UK I assume? There are 14 at the moment providing an extra 32 seats/flight to the 737-800/MAX (and a fair amount of extra legroom seats too !)

[crewmeal]

What will happen to the TC and Starquest Expedition 757 that's specially configured and flies around the world?

[clipstone1]

Well now TCS and Starquest is not owned by TUI there's every chance it won't continue after the current contract term I guess?

[22/04]

Titan would be ideal to pick that up

[garry8g]

Jethros reporting that TUI B788 G-TUIG is to transfer to TUI Belgium in March 18.

[nigel osborne]

I think 789 TUIK is going to TUI UK instead of Belgium

[garry8g]

TUIK is already with TUI UK.

All the current ordered B789's were all scheduled to go to TUI UK.

[chaps1954]

Yes I heard G-TUIL B789 is to replace G-TUIG as there will be a B789 based at MAN from
April.

[PAXboy]

The Guardian
Tui's male employees paid more than double female staff – report

Travel group’s report says women earn 56.9% less than men but it is ‘not an equal pay issue’
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/16/tui-travel-group-male-employees-paid-more-than-double-female-staff-report

[Smudge's Lot]

Means nothing, the article is not comparing like with like.
Its obvious that a pilot will earn more than cabin crew, regardless of gender.
All the pilots are paid the same, regardless of gender, all the cabin crew are paid the same, regardless of gender.
Shock horror....pilots earn more than Cabin Crew.

[bycrewlgw]

What is happening to journalism? That’s an awful article.

[Smudge's Lot]

The next 787-9, G-TUIL will be delivered from Seattle tonight arriving into MAN in the early hours of Saturday morning where it will spend a few days with engineering mods before entering service.
G-TUIM due mid May
G-TUIG will transfer to Jetair in Belgium

[nigel osborne]

The -9s do have their own line of flying, generally the high density routes from Gatwick to Cancun, MoBay and Sanford are almost all on the -9.

Not sure of the plans for the two new arrivals next year, I'd imagine three at Gatwick, one at Manchester. They're much more premium heavy than the -8s, so better suited to the LGW market.

I had always thought that the 789s would be extras on the 788s.

Hadn't anticipated they would dispose of 788s when the 9s arrived.

Harder to predict how much further the route network can expand with the 787 fleet now.

[nigel osborne]

The -9s do have their own line of flying, generally the high density routes from Gatwick to Cancun, MoBay and Sanford are almost all on the -9.

Not sure of the plans for the two new arrivals next year, I'd imagine three at Gatwick, one at Manchester. They're much more premium heavy than the -8s, so better suited to the LGW market.

I had always thought that the 789s would be extras on the 788s.

Hadn't anticipated they would dispose of 788s when the 9s arrived.

Harder to predict how much further the route network can expand with the 787 fleet now.

[CabinCrewe]

suppose its like the 762's getting ditched for 763's back in the day as economies of scale and increased efficiencies were realised. I personally preferred the proportions of 762 and this 788

[canberra97]

Have I missed something but where does it actually state that TUI UK are disposing of their Boeing 788 fleet in favour of the Boeing 789?

[Rutan16]

TUI Group aren’t removing than 788 however just shovelling the deck chairs so to speak

[canberra97]

TUI Group aren’t removing than 788 however just shovelling the deck chairs so to speak

Well a few others including Mr Osbourne is confusing the story a bit by their incoherent posts hence why I posed the question!

[Vokes55]

One 788 is going from UK to Belgium, whilst two 789 join the UK fleet. That's all.

[737James]

When do TUI UK start receiving the Max aircraft ? I was talking to a TUI base engineer and was saying that some of the older 737s were getting harder to maintain and the cabins in particular were getting very tired as don’t have the Sky interior.

I presume the Max10s will go to the 757 bases so they can do the longer routes.

[shamrock7seal]

Yes they are just optimising 787 fleet.

They can’t stop using the 788 as it has better runway performance for the likes of Bristol. The 789 needs a longer take-off field length to do Cancun for example. The economics of the 789 operating from BRS would be worse than the 788.

[FRatSTN]

TUI reveals 'most ambitious programme ever' (http://www.travelmole.com/news_feature.php?news_id=2031635&c=setreg&region=2)

40 new routes in total planned for Summer 2019 from 15 UK airports, 65% of which will be unique to TUI.

Focus for growth reportedly being Birmingham, Cardiff, Doncaster/Sheffield, East Midlands, Glasgow-Intl and Manchester who'll collectively represent 60% of growth.

Additional capacity being added to Croatia, Greece, Turkey and Cape Verde.

Described as "'dynamic regional aviation plan'" and "the most ambitious programme [TUI] have ever introduced."

Summer 2019 flights and holidays go on sale Thursday 5th April.

New routes/additions confirmed so far...

Cardiff
New routes to Dubrovnik and Naples
Summer flights to Hurghada
Added frequencies to Corfu, Kos, Paphos, Rhodes and Zante
Increase to 3x based aircraft
100,000 additional seats

Doncaster/Sheffield
New short/mid-haul routes to Bodrum, Hurghada, Kos and Pula
Long-haul flights introduced; New route to Orlando/Sanford
Added frequencies to Alicante, Antalya, Rhodes and Zante
Increase to 3x based aircraft + Dreamliner services to SFB
110,000 additional seats

[Keyvon]

24 new routes have been unveiled so far...

Aberdeen-Rhodes
Birmingham-Split
Birmingham-Thessaloniki
Birmingham-Agadir
Birmingham-Izmir
Bournemouth-Kefalonia
Bournemouth-Antalya
Bournemouth-Heraklion
Cardiff-Dubrovnik
Cardiff-Naples
Doncaster/Sheffield-Bodrum
Doncaster/Sheffield-Hurghada
Doncaster/Sheffield-Kos
Doncaster/Sheffield-Pula
Doncaster/Sheffield-Orlando/Sanford
East Midlands-Faro
East Midlands-Santorini
Exeter-Zakinthos
Exeter-Heraklion
Exeter-Antalya
Liverpool-Dalaman
Luton-Hurghada
Luton-Thessaloniki
Luton-Heraklion


...other 16 still to be made public.
Guess new capacity will be allocated to LGW, STN, MAN, BRS, GLA, BFS and possibly a few new routes destined to other secondary airports for TUI such as LBA, EDI or even SEN, SOU, HUY, LDY.
Apparently no additional destinations for NCL and NWI, but increased frequencies on existing routes.

As for TUI Ireland:

Dublin-Paphos
Dublin-Dalaman

[caaardiff]

Is all this expansion based on Max deliveries? With some 757s leaving the fleet before S19 and the amount of additional flights im guessing no airports are losing capacity in order to shift aircraft elsewhere?

[McBruce]

Its expansion based on something. No one knows yet. Could be additional aircraft into TUIA or could be 3rd party. Internal comms suggests this decision is still to be made, although that could just be HR malarkey as company/union are locking horns at the moment.

Recruitment has opened earlier than normal so that maybe a hint that the company are gearing towards a busy training year and thus having to start earlier than normal if the expansion comes in-house.

[rog747]

suppose its like the 762's getting ditched for 763's back in the day as economies of scale and increased efficiencies were realised. I personally preferred the proportions of 762 and this 788

the 767-200's were a bit long in the tooth

even the most recent (18 yo) a/c BYAA/AB went to the scrappers
BRIF/BRIG and BOPB saw life with Excel Silverjet and Jordan Av.

all were ER and CF6 80 powered but they did not have large forward cargo doors and had little resale in them

configs were 2-4-2 seating and was tight

4 x 763's remain now but only the BY -304 build and not any of the ex AMM or UKL a/c remain


BRS airport once they lose the 757's from there will see more operational difficulties with op'g 737-800 or MAX from there due to runway length and weather issues

[MerchantVenturer]

BRS airport once they lose the 757's from there will see more operational difficulties with op'g 737-800 or MAX from there due to runway length and weather issues

TUI has based a B737-800 at BRS along with the two B757s for the past three summers. This summer it will be two 737-800s together together with the two 757s.

The 737-800s have been operating on routes to the Canaries, Cyprus, Turkey and the Greek Islands as well as on shorter routes. Have there been problems with them at BRS during this time? I've not heard or read about any.

[SamYeager]

Not the best of publicity for TUI but it sounds as though it's an issue of their own making.


Air passengers sending bailiffs to airlines - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43585393)

[bycrewlgw]

Not the best of publicity for TUI but it sounds as though it's an issue of their own making.


Air passengers sending bailiffs to airlines - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43585393)

They’ll have a hard time trying to find ThomPson Airways. It’s really not hard to spell the name correctly!

[rog747]

Not the best of publicity for TUI but it sounds as though it's an issue of their own making.


Air passengers sending bailiffs to airlines - BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43585393)

Sam
well the airlines wish that this EU rule was DEF NOT there - this is an EU legislation brought in and not an airline ruling -

I bet UK airlines cannot wait for Brexit on this one although i read the rules will stay in situ if a UK airline flies to/from an EU airport ie: LGW-PMI etc

anyway it's not an airline ruling - they have to cough up coz the EU says so

[rog747]

TUI has based a B737-800 at BRS along with the two B757s for the past three summers. This summer it will be two 737-800s together together with the two 757s.

The 737-800s have been operating on routes to the Canaries, Cyprus, Turkey and the Greek Islands as well as on shorter routes. Have there been problems with them at BRS during this time? I've not heard or read about any.

my pal a skipper at BRS on 757/767 for BY (previously he was on the 'Bus' ex AMM) for many years mentioned to me he dreaded going over to the 737 as the landing restrictions that a 737NG and a MAX could face with HGW's MEL's and weather such as cross wind restrictions at BRS's short runway which means a diversion is ness more often than not - as 737 ops ramp up no doubt this will be an issue

the 757 with its big brakes and big engines is more forgiving as you know

[Keyvon]

Update: 29 new routes revealed so far. Any news on the 11 still missing?

Aberdeen-Rhodes
Birmingham-Split
Birmingham-Thessaloniki
Birmingham-Agadir
Birmingham-Izmir
Bournemouth-Kefalonia
Bournemouth-Antalya
Bournemouth-Heraklion
Cardiff-Dubrovnik
Cardiff-Naples
Doncaster/Sheffield-Bodrum
Doncaster/Sheffield-Hurghada
Doncaster/Sheffield-Kos
Doncaster/Sheffield-Pula
Doncaster/Sheffield-Orlando/Sanford
East Midlands-Faro
East Midlands-Santorini
Edinburgh-Antalya
Exeter-Zakinthos
Exeter-Heraklion
Exeter-Antalya
Liverpool-Dalaman
Leeds/Bradford-Antalya
Leeds/Bradford-Verona
Leeds/Bradford-Dubrovnik
Luton-Hurghada
Luton-Thessaloniki
Luton-Heraklion
Stansted-Hurghada

[PDXCWL45]

Update: 29 new routes revealed so far. Any news on the 11 still missing?

Aberdeen-Rhodes
Birmingham-Split
Birmingham-Thessaloniki
Birmingham-Agadir
Birmingham-Izmir
Bournemouth-Kefalonia
Bournemouth-Antalya
Bournemouth-Heraklion
Cardiff-Dubrovnik
Cardiff-Naples
Doncaster/Sheffield-Bodrum
Doncaster/Sheffield-Hurghada
Doncaster/Sheffield-Kos
Doncaster/Sheffield-Pula
Doncaster/Sheffield-Orlando/Sanford
East Midlands-Faro
East Midlands-Santorini
Edinburgh-Antalya
Exeter-Zakinthos
Exeter-Heraklion
Exeter-Antalya
Liverpool-Dalaman
Leeds/Bradford-Antalya
Leeds/Bradford-Verona
Leeds/Bradford-Dubrovnik
Luton-Hurghada
Luton-Thessaloniki
Luton-Heraklion
Stansted-Hurghada

Cardiff to Enfidha is new for summer 2019

[TimmyW]

DSA to Enfidha as well.

[simoncorbett]

Update: 29 new routes revealed so far. Any news on the 11 still missing?

Aberdeen-Rhodes
Birmingham-Split
Birmingham-Thessaloniki
Birmingham-Agadir
Birmingham-Izmir
Bournemouth-Kefalonia
Bournemouth-Antalya
Bournemouth-Heraklion
Cardiff-Dubrovnik
Cardiff-Naples
Doncaster/Sheffield-Bodrum
Doncaster/Sheffield-Hurghada
Doncaster/Sheffield-Kos
Doncaster/Sheffield-Pula
Doncaster/Sheffield-Orlando/Sanford
East Midlands-Faro
East Midlands-Santorini
Edinburgh-Antalya
Exeter-Zakinthos
Exeter-Heraklion
Exeter-Antalya
Liverpool-Dalaman
Leeds/Bradford-Antalya
Leeds/Bradford-Verona
Leeds/Bradford-Dubrovnik
Luton-Hurghada
Luton-Thessaloniki
Luton-Heraklion
Stansted-Hurghada

apparently the TUI flights from BHX to Split announced last week are not now available... pretty sure this happens every year- big announcements of new routes & then within a month some are removed,I’m sure this happened with Agadir last year ?
Simon

[Keyvon]

New routes to Enfidha, S19:

Glasgow-
Doncaster/Sheffield
Luton
Cardiff

[HH6702]

Add NCL to NBE also

[chinapattern]

Birmingham-Venice apparently; was announced before when MON went under but never materialised.

[marko1]

Also Bristol to Marrakech and Thessaloniki. Dreamliner flights to larnaca and Dubrovnik plus extra flights to Naples, Antalya and kefalonia. Four based short haul and 5 days a week Dreamliner.

[globetrotter79]

How many aircraft do TUI have at BRS this summer (2018)?

[marko1]

How many aircraft do TUI have at BRS this summer (2018)?

We have 2 757, 2 737 and a Dreamliner 4 days per week

[Barnstable]

Looks like TUI have a policy of allowing flights to be purchased one-way from the UK to foreign destinations, as well as returns from the UK, but don't allow passengers to purchase one way flights from foreign destinations to the UK. Anyone hazard a guess why this is?

[A380.Q400]

Looks like TUI have a policy of allowing flights to be purchased one-way from the UK to foreign destinations, as well as returns from the UK, but don't allow passengers to purchase one way flights from foreign destinations to the UK. Anyone hazard a guess why this is?

That's not TUI policy - how on earth did you come to such a conclusion? It is entirely possible to purchase one-way tickets from non-UK airports to UK airports; I've actually done it myself!

[Barnstable]

That's not TUI policy - how on earth did you come to such a conclusion? It is entirely possible to purchase one-way tickets from non-UK airports to UK airports; I've actually done it myself!

I reached the conclusion by going on the "flights" section of the various TUI websites across Europe, and trying to buy a one-way ticket. However, the only departure airports offered are eg UK airports in the UK, Swedish airport in Sweden etc.

Could you let me know how you purchased a one way ticket into the UK?

[A380.Q400]

I reached the conclusion by going on the "flights" section of the various TUI websites across Europe, and trying to buy a one-way ticket. However, the only departure airports offered are eg UK airports in the UK, Swedish airport in Sweden etc.

Could you let me know how you purchased a one way ticket into the UK?

If you click on "departure airport" in the flights section, a dropdown will appear with a list of UK airports. At the top of the dropdown you will see two tabs - "UK Airports" and "Overseas Airports". The website automatically opens the "UK Airports" tab, but if you click on the "Overseas Airports" tab then it will bring up all of their non-UK airports.

[skyhawk1]

[QUOTE=Barnstable;10111334]I reached the conclusion by going on the "flights" section of the various TUI websites across Europe, and trying to buy a one-way ticket. However, the only departure airports offered are eg UK airports in the UK, Swedish airport in Sweden etc.

Could you let me know how you purchased a one way ticket into the UK?[/QUOTE

Go onto TUI Flights website and put in details. You need to scroll to your required airports as it it offers all airports

[GayFriendly]

I have just this very evening bought two one way flights with TUI, TFS-BHX in May and NAP-BHX in Aug no bother however I'm fairly sure you can't buy one way into UK from long haul destinations. Something to do with bilaterals/traffic rights maybe?

[MUFC_fan]

I have just this very evening bought two one way flights with TUI, TFS-BHX in May and NAP-BHX in Aug no bother however I'm fairly sure you can't buy one way into UK from long haul destinations. Something to do with bilaterals/traffic rights maybe?

I think you're right. Operating charter flights is different to scheduled so certain countries they can't sell seat only. Within the EU (for now...) they can sell as they wish. However, for example, I doubt (haven't checked) they have the rights to sell LGW-PQC flight only.

[Barnstable]

If you click on "departure airport" in the flights section, a dropdown will appear with a list of UK airports. At the top of the dropdown you will see two tabs - "UK Airports" and "Overseas Airports". The website automatically opens the "UK Airports" tab, but if you click on the "Overseas Airports" tab then it will bring up all of their non-UK airports.

Thanks to you and Skyhawk for pointing this out. I stand corrected.

[azz767]

Does anyone know the MAN schedule for the short haul 787 and 767’s? I’m going to IBZ on 29th June and was wondering if I’d catch a wide body or 757 at the very least.

Thanks

[LAX2000]

Flightmapper would suggest its a 767.


When you book online it will tell you if its scheduled to be a 787, even for short haul. For example on a Friday from Manchester, Menorca and Bourgas are due to be operated by the 787.

[davidjohnson6]

TUI in the last few years has operated a 1x weekly ski charter between Gatwick and Fagernes in Norway. Based on news reports in Norway, the future of Fagernes airport is somewhat uncertain beyond 01-Jan-2019

Are TUI just sitting on the fence at the moment waiting to see what happens, or have TUI taken a decision not to operate Gatwick-Fagernes for winter 2018/2019 ?

[Danny G]

Travelling from Manchester on the 787 in June, how has the building work affected TUI flights? are they using remote stands for early morning departures?

Thanks

Danny

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why today's BY5730 (LTN-AGP) is being operated from NCL? LTN’s B752 G-CPEU is currently heading to NCL from RHO so this is clearly planned.

[HH6702]

The first few weeks of season changes things like this happen due to FR24 picking up on old flight numbers ando codes. You will find that the LTN - AGP has a new flight code for this summer

in a few weeks time all will be back to normal

[DanAir89]

The first few weeks of season changes things like this happen due to FR24 picking up on old flight numbers ando codes. You will find that the LTN - AGP has a new flight code for this summer

in a few weeks time all will be back to normal
usually the case but did actually appear on the airports’s Departure board and was scheduled to leave 10 mins before the based TUI 738. Could even more geordies want to go to AGP than normal for the bank holiday?!?!

[ROC10]

The first few weeks of season changes things like this happen due to FR24 picking up on old flight numbers ando codes. You will find that the LTN - AGP has a new flight code for this summer

in a few weeks time all will be back to normal

Yeah I’m aware of this but it definitely did depart from NCL but then returned to LTN. Lots of strange movements this week, constant swapping etc. Especially at AGP today, particularly with the 787s.

G-TUIA did MAN-AGP-GLA-AGP-MAN (GLA also had a further flight on an additional non-based 757)
G-TUIC did MAN-AGP-MAN
G-TUIH did LGW-AGP-MAN-AGP-LGW
(LGW and MAN also had several 737 flights to AGP)

G-OBYK was also drafted in from Scandinavia to do a return flight to BHX before flying back to ARN.

[ROC10]

usually the case but did actually appear on the airports’s Departure board and was scheduled to leave 10 mins before the based TUI 738. Could even more geordies want to go to AGP than normal for the bank holiday?!?!

Obvoisly enough for them to abandon the outbound LTN flight lol.

[DanAir89]

Obvoisly enough for them to abandon the outbound LTN flight lol.
looks like there was a 12 night TUi cruise to Southampton leaving Malaga yesterday - mystery solved!

[DanAir89]

looks like there was a 12 night TUi cruise to Southampton leaving Malaga yesterday - mystery solved!
perhaps a bit tedious now for most re a 757 flight to AGP but the nightstopping aircraft at NCL has got its picture on the airport’s Facebook page. Fails to mention that there used to be numerous 757’s based at NCL including 2 x BY so could be read as a bit desparate unlike the photo of 2 BA 747’s and a BCal dc10 on the ground at the same time in 1988 that they shared last week!

[ROC10]

Does anyone know what's going on with the Cardiff/Pafos situation? G-TAWB was very late (8 hours late) going out to Pafos last night, arriving in the early hours of this morning. G-FDZD positioned ABZ-CWL last night to cover today's flights, but as of yet, G-TAWB still hasn't moved from PFO. That's one hefty delay (I assume there will be passengers since it's the second week of the season now, plus PFO generally runs prior to the summer season starting anyway), and ABZ is now without an aircraft for tomorrow.


EDIT: G-TAWB has finally left PFO for CWL, 21 hours later than scheduled.

[caaardiff]

Does anyone know what's going on with the Cardiff/Pafos situation? G-TAWB was very late (8 hours late) going out to Pafos last night, arriving in the early hours of this morning. G-FDZD positioned ABZ-CWL last night to cover today's flights, but as of yet, G-TAWB still hasn't moved from PFO. That's one hefty delay (I assume there will be passengers since it's the second week of the season now, plus PFO generally runs prior to the summer season starting anyway), and ABZ is now without an aircraft for tomorrow.


EDIT: G-TAWB has finally left PFO for CWL, 21 hours later than scheduled.

Broken wind shield from what I'm told. Crew then only able to operate one way due to working hours so nightstopped in PFO. Nothing out of the ordinary. Charter Airlines don't tend to cancel flights so it benefits to still operate one way if the crew are still in hours.

[dmouse88]

I see that G-TUIM has now been delivered to MAN on fly BY562 from PAE on the 17th may, will it now be used for the longer long range flts.

[chaps1954]

Yes shared with LGW which will have 3 and MAN 1

Ian

[737James]

Anybody know whats going on with TUI at EMA I thought it was a 737 only base but for the last two days a 757 has been based there and operating some of the flights.

I have not seen any evidence of any of the 737 going sick so may be planned.

[wallp]

New routes to Enfidha, S19:

Glasgow-
Doncaster/Sheffield
Luton
Cardiff

Does this mean LTN will go back up the 3 based aircraft next year?

[PDXCWL45]

Does this mean LTN will go back up the 3 based aircraft next year?

Cardiff, Luton and Doncaster will all have 3 based aircraft from 2019.

[miked11]

Anybody know whats going on with TUI at EMA I thought it was a 737 only base but for the last two days a 757 has been based there and operating some of the flights.

I have not seen any evidence of any of the 737 going sick so may be planned.

I think it may have been swapped around with G-FDZE. The 757 currently operating out of EMA came from BHX to operate yesterdays Dalaman flight, as G-FDZE sat at EMA from returning from Funchal, so maybe went tech after this flight? Then today G-FDZE went over to BHX to operate from there.

[737James]

Miked11- I think it must have been planned for the 757 to go to EMA yesterday as there was no significant delays which would happen if 737 ZE had gone tech as would have had to have call out 757 crew and get aircraft from BHX to EMA

I wonder if bookings for 2018 have been strong from EMA so they will be using a 757 for the summer if so anyone know what routes it’s operating ?

[ROC10]

Cardiff, Luton and Doncaster will all have 3 based aircraft from 2019.

Will Glasgow go back to two based aircraft?

[PDXCWL45]

Will Glasgow go back to two based aircraft?
I have no idea but I'd be surprised if they downsized it if it's a 3 aircraft base.

[awwdabaaby]

Will Glasgow go back to two based aircraft?

yes, think it will be a 757 and 738 base next year

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why today's BY1345 PUY-EDI (G-TAWD) was diverted to BHX?

G-TAWD is now sitting at BHX and G-FDZE has just positioned BHX-EDI.

The aircraft was actually closer to MAN before making a sharp turn and flying south to BHX. G-TAWD only just arrived at EDI from BHX yesterday after swapping with G-TAWH which has been sitting at BHX all day.

[awwdabaaby]

I have no idea but I'd be surprised if they downsized it if it's a 3 aircraft base.

technically the 787 isn't based so only a one aircraft base just now

[ROC10]

yes, think it will be a 757 and 738 base next year

Yeah, I was thinking similar.

[ROC10]

I have no idea but I'd be surprised if they downsized it if it's a 3 aircraft base.

It has normally always been 2x752 along with part time 788. This year it is only 1x752 plus 738 w-patterns from ABZ/NCL/EMA most days, along with the part time 788.

[OltonPete]

Does anyone know why today's BY1345 PUY-EDI (G-TAWD) was diverted to BHX?

G-TAWD is now sitting at BHX and G-FDZE has just positioned BHX-EDI.

The aircraft was actually closer to MAN before making a sharp turn and flying south to BHX. G-TAWD only just arrived at EDI from BHX yesterday after swapping with G-TAWH which has been sitting at BHX all day.

Not sure about the reason for this diversion but BHX usually has a spare aircraft, either a 757 or 737 so I suppose it makes sense if there is an issue. Previous divert was 26th May 757 G-CPEV MAN-PMI (fuel transfer issue?) and at the time G-CPEU was the spare although EV eventually continued to Palma.

Whether this will be the case next summer I am not sure as the timetable shows 8 based short-haul up one from summer 2018.

Pete

[inOban]

Just curious. How often do tui rotate a/c for maintenance. EDI has only one frame, which in peak season, from June 11, flies two rotations every day, usually ending well after midnight. How often must it visit a main base?

[ROC10]

Just curious. How often do tui rotate a/c for maintenance. EDI has only one frame, which in peak season, from June 11, flies two rotations every day, usually ending well after midnight. How often must it visit a main base?

G-TAWH was based at EDI for one month straight, flying every day. Just yesterday it swapped with BHX’s G-TAWD and already this aircraft has returned to BHX via a divert leaving EDI with the much older G-FDZE...

It really does seem to be quite variable with regard to frequency of swapping aircraft. Some bases seem to be constantly swapping whilst others seem to almost never swap. I remember an aircraft was based at DSA for over eight months straight last year...

I was always under the impression that LTN was the mainitenace based and that the aim of swapping was to eventually get the aircraft into LTN. I’m not sure if this is actually the case though.

[ROC10]

Not sure about the reason for this diversion but BHX usually has a spare aircraft, either a 757 or 737 so I suppose it makes sense if there is an issue. Previous divert was 26th May 757 G-CPEV MAN-PMI (fuel transfer issue?) and at the time G-CPEU was the spare although EV eventually continued to Palma.

Whether this will be the case next summer I am not sure as the timetable shows 8 based short-haul up one from summer 2018.

Pete

Yes I have actually noticed this too this year, regarding BHX having a spare aircraft, I always thought that MAN normally had a spare aircraft in the past. Just seemed a bit coincidental that G-TAWD was BHX based until yesterday and is now already back there today, and unfortunate that EDI have ended up with G-FDZE lol.

Just out of curiosity, where do you find the “timetable” that you mention, or do you work with TUI?

[OltonPete]

Yes I have actually noticed this too this year, regarding BHX having a spare aircraft, I always thought that MAN normally had a spare aircraft in the past. Just seemed a bit coincidental that G-TAWD was BHX based until yesterday and is now already back there today, and unfortunate that EDI have ended up with G-FDZE lol.

Just out of curiosity, where do you find the “timetable” that you mention, or do you work with TUI?


No I am not part of the airline business. The timetable is part on the online flight only booking portal - hopefully this link opens but note aircraft types are not shown other than the 787 services TUI (https://www.tui.co.uk/flight/timetable?departure=BHX&destination=BGI)

[ROC10]

No I am not part of the airline business. The timetable is part on the online flight only booking portal - hopefully this link opens but note aircraft types are not shown other than the 787 services TUI (https://www.tui.co.uk/flight/timetable?departure=BHX&destination=BGI)

Ah yes, I’ve used this before. It never really seems to work (says there are no flights from certain bases etc). I just wondered if there was a clearer timetable which showed all the departures from each base rather than having to go through a faulty booking engine.

[Gurnard]

PORTO SANTO
Does anyone know what is happening this year to the weekly LGW-PXO flight? According to TUI's website it should be operating, but it was not listed this Monday or the previous one. However, Norwegian have operated the route for at least two weeks on Mondays at a time similar to TUI's schedule, though it is not offered on their website.

[LAX2000]

PORTO SANTO
Does anyone know what is happening this year to the weekly LGW-PXO flight? According to TUI's website it should be operating, but it was not listed this Monday or the previous one. However, Norwegian have operated the route for at least two weeks on Mondays at a time similar to TUI's schedule, though it is not offered on their website.

Norweigan flight numbers D89*** from Gatwick are operated on behalf of TUI. I believe only bookable via TUI and it states operated by Norweigian in the booking process.

[ROC10]

This may sound like a stilly question but I was wondering how the crewing of W-patterns works? For example, how would ABZ-DLM-GLA-DLM-ABZ be crewed? And would it be any different for shorter flights like ABZ-PMI-GLA-PMI-ABZ?

[Cazza_fly]

This may sound like a stilly question but I was wondering how the crewing of W-patterns works? For example, how would ABZ-DLM-GLA-DLM-ABZ be crewed? And would it be any different for shorter flights like ABZ-PMI-GLA-PMI-ABZ?

The crew will operate ABZ-DLM-GLA and then taxi back to their base at ABZ. Sometimes however they may be required to stay overnight in GLA and operate another flight from GLA the following day or even sent to another UK base. A new crew will then join the aircraft and operate the GLA-DLM-ABZ service. This could either be operated by GLA or ABZ based crew, but they will always be taken to and from their home bases at the end of their working blocks

The same happens on the shorter flights you mentioned.

[boeing_eng]

Just curious. How often do tui rotate a/c for maintenance. EDI has only one frame, which in peak season, from June 11, flies two rotations every day, usually ending well after midnight. How often must it visit a main base

The smaller bases such as EXT, BOH & EDI have very limited engineering coverage. An aircraft will be swapped into a larger base if a technical issue requires it and obviously for routine checks.

[dmouse88]

Are G-TUIC and G-TUID in full economy seatfit for summer short flights. I will be travelling to Antalya on BY286 from Gatwick. If so what is the seating plan is it similar to 767, trying to work out where is the best place to sit. Many thanks for any answers.

[Danny G]

Are G-TUIC and G-TUID in full economy seatfit for summer short flights. I will be travelling to Antalya on BY286 from Gatwick. If so what is the seating plan is it similar to 767, trying to work out where is the best place to sit. Many thanks for any answers.
I asked the same question over ar Passengers and SLF a couple of weeks ago and was told no but looking at their last weeks sectors both only did short hauls at the moment, if you book through to reserve your seats on the TUI website you will be able to tell as the premium cabin will be 2-3-2 if they are not in full economy mode.

[sparkie320]

Just curious. How often do tui rotate a/c for maintenance. EDI has only one frame, which in peak season, from June 11, flies two rotations every day, usually ending well after midnight. How often must it visit a main base

The smaller bases such as EXT, BOH & EDI have very limited engineering coverage. An aircraft will be swapped into a larger base if a technical issue requires it and obviously for routine checks.

Looking at the Sunwing operation with the 4 aircraft based here for the summer,most try to get back to Leeds where the maintenance is carried out every few weeks,and the change over occurs down route , think Palma being one place, for example Norwich based flies in, followed by the Leeds one or vice versa, within minutes of each other and crew swop aircraft
assume duty free stock etc and take the Leeds one to Norwich , whilst the Norwich one goes to Leeds and on

I would guess EDI got good ground crew so basic repairs can be worked on

mark

[J93102]

Hello all,

I’ve been looking at different long haul flights to the Caribbean and noticed that TUI have a weekly flight to Aruba and a weekly flight to St Lucia from London Gatwick. With them only having 1 weekly flight to each of the islands does this mean the flight crew operating the flights would get a 7 day layover at each of the destinations? I can imagine that being quite nice to get a full week layover or is that the norm these days for layovers.

Thanks.

[Rutan16]

J93102 No long layovers simply repositioning via Manchester or to another island or Amsterdam via group parnter or a scheduled carrier is the usual option these days.

[Smudge's Lot]

J93102
Nope, not a week, it's 1 night in AUA, position to MIA for 1 night, then position to UVF for 1 night to operate back to the UK. Far from being a nice layover, trust me, it's pretty knackering.

Dmouse88
So far, the 787-8 are staying in the 300 config and the 787-9 in the 345 config, ie their respective standard long haul seating layout. The reason for this is that TUI were caught out a few times last year when a short haul 787(325) was replaced with a long haul 787(300), meaning that 25 pax would not be carried. This way, the -9 could easily replace a broken -8,or any other -8 sitting around.

They might reconfigure 2 of the -8s for the peak summer season (Jul-Aug) to 325 config

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why G-TUIJ has been in Abu Dhabi for two weeks now?

[Smudge's Lot]

Delayed maintenance we have been told!

[Mooncrest]

Looking at the Sunwing operation with the 4 aircraft based here for the summer,most try to get back to Leeds where the maintenance is carried out every few weeks,and the change over occurs down route , think Palma being one place, for example Norwich based flies in, followed by the Leeds one or vice versa, within minutes of each other and crew swop aircraft
assume duty free stock etc and take the Leeds one to Norwich , whilst the Norwich one goes to Leeds and on

I would guess EDI got good ground crew so basic repairs can be worked on

mark

FYI, Sunwing maintenance at LBA is performed by Monarch. It is nice that Monarch is still with us, albeit in Engineering form only. Incidentally, Monarch retained their LBA Maintenance base from the time of the airline ceasing operations and throughout the winter, providing ad-hoc support to Enter Air, among others. I don't know who looks after Sunwing at Norwich, Dublin and Belfast.

[NickBarnes]

KLM engineering at NWI I do believe

[dmouse88]

Hello all,

I’ve been looking at different long haul flights to the Caribbean and noticed that TUI have a weekly flight to Aruba and a weekly flight to St Lucia from London Gatwick. With them only having 1 weekly flight to each of the islands does this mean the flight crew operating the flights would get a 7 day layover at each of the destinations? I can imagine that being quite nice to get a full week layover or is that the norm these days for layovers.

Thanks.

Being Ex military and used to how slip crews were positioned, I will give you the possible scenario of Birmingham crews on their schedules. Day 1 BHX-CAN, crew reposition to PUJ to fly Tues flt PUJ-BHX, inbound reposition to MBJ to fly Wed flt MBJ-BHX, inbound reposition to SFB to fly Thu flt SFB-BHX, inbound reposition CAN for Fri flt CAN-BHX, inbound reposition to PUJ to fly Sat flt PUJ-BHX, inbound reposition MBJ for Sun flt MBJ-BHX, inbound reposition to CAN for Mon flt Can-BHX. This is my type of usage pattern ensuring all BHX crews arrive back at BHX without road transport between UK bases. This system would be used between say LGW-LIB mon, go to UVF for Tue flt, go to PUJ for Wed flt, stay for Thur flt, go to PVR for Fri flt, go to SFB for Sat flt and so on and so forth this system allows for One crew at home base resting, one operating out/rest and one operating in/rest. Not knowing what crewing TUI are operating this is for guidance only in how some airlines not operating daily flights might operate. I hope that this has been of help regarding your query.

[oldbalboy]

FYI TUIC & D now in 325 summer s/haul config

[sergy2k]

Looking at flights to Naples for S19 from LGW and noticed a massive increase in capacity vs. this year. Looks like 3 flights a week in peak, all operated by 787 Dreamliner (Mon/Weds/Fri). Now I know that its early days and its subject to change but it seems like a massive boost in capacity. Anyone know any reason for this?

(as an aside, me and my elderly parents flew this route a couple of years ago when TUI were operating the 787 on the Friday morning departure. My parents thoroughly enjoyed the flight as we had upgraded to premium so really enjoyed the extra space)

[PDXCWL45]

Looking at flights to Naples for S19 from LGW and noticed a massive increase in capacity vs. this year. Looks like 3 flights a week in peak, all operated by 787 Dreamliner (Mon/Weds/Fri). Now I know that its early days and its subject to change but it seems like a massive boost in capacity. Anyone know any reason for this?

(as an aside, me and my elderly parents flew this route a couple of years ago when TUI were operating the 787 on the Friday morning departure. My parents thoroughly enjoyed the flight as we had upgraded to premium so really enjoyed the extra space)
They have a cruise ship operating from there from next summer.

[J93102]

J93102 No long layovers simply repositioning via Manchester or to another island or Amsterdam via group parnter or a scheduled carrier is the usual option these days.

Many thanks for the responses. So is it possible UK crews operate flights for TUI Netherlands too?

[ROC10]

G-TUIJ finally en route back to Manchester after two weeks in Abu Dhabi.

[EI-A330-300]

Is the only standby aircraft a B789?

[Rutan16]

Many thanks for the responses. So is it possible UK crews operate flights for TUI Netherlands too?

No not operationally but certainly a positioning sector.

[OltonPete]

Is the only standby aircraft a B789?

There is usually a 757 at BHX but the last two days it has been covering for one of the EMA 738's.

Also at the end of May the 757 was often on one the BHX 738 schedules, whether this was covering for tech, crew or ATC delays, I can't be sure.

I have noticed TUI tend to position the aircraft to wherever the problem is whereas often Thomas Cook bus the passengers wherever the spare is, if it is fairly close or logistically possible of course (crew hours etc)

Pete

[sparkie320]

Is there any reason why this one has not operated from NWI whilst enjoying the British Summer
last year she spend in total about 2 days at NWI due to Tech aircraft and other incidents but never swopped to base here for a period unlike the other 3
so far this year not made
only reason ask is need to photo it
cheers
mark

[Fly757X]

Is there any reason why this one has not operated from NWI whilst enjoying the British Summer
last year she spend in total about 2 days at NWI due to Tech aircraft and other incidents but never swopped to base here for a period unlike the other 3
so far this year not made
only reason ask is need to photo it
cheers
mark

Tends to spend most of its time each summer in Belfast, I have seen it twice already this year in Belfast purely by travelling close to the airport however it is elsewhere now. It's really just luck of a bunch. All 4 frames were in Belfast for a period last year.

[EI-A330-300]

There is usually a 757 at BHX but the last two days it has been covering for one of the EMA 738's.

Also at the end of May the 757 was often on one the BHX 738 schedules, whether this was covering for tech, crew or ATC delays, I can't be sure.

I have noticed TUI tend to position the aircraft to wherever the problem is whereas often Thomas Cook bus the passengers wherever the spare is, if it is fairly close or logistically possible of course (crew hours etc)

Pete

Thanks, reason I asked was they have sent a couple of B787s to fill in over here, most recently G-TUIJ yesterday and felt it was an awful waste of resources. Last year they send a B738 mostly.

[737James]

Looks like it’s all gone wrong at EMA today for TUI have had a 757 covering for a tech 737 then the replacement 737 they brought in from LGW to cover Larnarca went sick so now a 25hr delay on that flight.

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why G-TAWA operated the following yesterday?

STN-FAO-STN-GLA-CIA-PMI-ABZ-STN

Seems very bizarre to me, since when did TUI fly to CIA?

Although, on Saturday I believe the outbound GLA-PMI and inbound PMI-ABZ were both cancelled (with the aircraft simply staying at GLA and then positioning back to ABZ at night) so perhaps this was some attempt to operate those flights? Doesn’t explain the CIA routing though and a Titan 767 had to be drafted in to cover the STN schedule...

[simonwa]

G-TAWA routed from GLA to CIA then to PMI to cover for the GLA-PMI on the previous day. It had to go via CIA to drop off passengers who should have been on the Marella Explorer cruise ship (Marella owned by TUI) who had to miss the first part of their cruise and join the ship at first port of call. It then continued to PMI with the other passengers who were just going to Majorca.

[ROC10]

G-TAWA routed from GLA to CIA then to PMI to cover for the GLA-PMI on the previous day. It had to go via CIA to drop off passengers who should have been on the Marella Explorer cruise ship (Marella owned by TUI) who had to miss the first part of their cruise and join the ship at first port of call. It then continued to PMI with the other passengers who were just going to Majorca.

Ah I see, that makes sense, thanks. Do you have any idea why the flights were cancelled the previous day?

[MerchantVenturer]

I don't know whether the French industrial action at the weekend played a part but TUI seemed to have some disruption at Bristol. On Sunday afternoon one of the two based B738s operated the Heraklion flight several hours late. The morning Malaga on Sunday normally operated by one of the two based B757s returned in mid evening (several hours late) as a B 787-9, G-TUIJ. FR24 appreared to suggest the outbound 757 went to LGW from BRS where seemingly it was swapped for the 787-9.

Today FR24 shows G-TUIJ operating from BRS on a delayed flight to Larnaca that should have left yesterday afternoon.

[Danny G]

G-TUIK operating Man-IBZ today, is it covering while G-OBYG is down for checks? Last year the 3 based 767s seemed to cover each other so I was wondering how they would cover this year now they are down to 2.

[Fly757X]

G-TUIK operating Man-IBZ today, is it covering while G-OBYG is down for checks? Last year the 3 based 767s seemed to cover each other so I was wondering how they would cover this year now they are down to 2.

OBYH and OBYK are still in Scandinavia.

[garry8g]

OBYH and OBYK are still in Scandinavia.

They will remain in Scandinavia all summer.

[Danny G]

They will remain in Scandinavia all summer. Yes just F and G this year whcih made me think the 789 was covering while G was in Luton on whay Im guessing was planned maintainance/check.

[Fly757X]

They will remain in Scandinavia all summer.

Pity, I've been waiting to see OBYK in the UK.

[ROC10]

Is it just me who finds it strange that YK was transferred from Nordic to UK but hasn’t flown from the UK and is set to remain in Scandinavia? Also, YH has been working pretty much constantly from Scandinavia for a while now, I’d say defineitly at least one year, possibly two years.

And yeah, I guess so, YG wasn’t at LTN for long though. When G-TUIJ arrived back from Dubai it did a couple of l/h flights and then seemed to be the backup s/h aircraft covering 738/752 flights from DUB and BRS. I think they have a fair bit of spare capacity with the Dreamliners just now but I would imagine they’ll surely be more fully-utilised in the high season? Until the other day, LGW had three 789s and MAN had one but it now seems to be two at each.

[Danny G]

Is one of the 900s a spare to cover any tech issues this summer?

[ROC10]

Bit of a long shot but does anyone have a way of knowing where the specific frames will be based and when, or is this not at all possible?

Thanks!

[EK77WNCL]

ROC10, yeah it will be known internally where frames are planned to be based, and when. But as always in aviation this is subject to change and difficult to predict more than a few days/weeks out. 99% of the time things work out as planned and airframes are cycled through the network and swapped around down route as planned. But when it goes wrong... It really does tend to go rather wrong!!!

[Civagiarn]

Last night BY2956 MAN-BOJ was operated by 787-9 rather than 787-8. Will the flight continue to be operated by the 787-9? BY4754 LGW-BOJ has been 787-9 from the start of the season, which is also an upgrade from the scheduled 787-8.

[ROC10]

ROC10, yeah it will be known internally where frames are planned to be based, and when. But as always in aviation this is subject to change and difficult to predict more than a few days/weeks out. 99% of the time things work out as planned and airframes are cycled through the network and swapped around down route as planned. But when it goes wrong... It really does tend to go rather wrong!!!

Thanks for your reply!

Yeah I know what you mean with things going wrong lol!

I wonder if anyone from TUI on here has access to this info. As I said originally, it’s a bit of a long shot but essentially I’d like to know what frame I’ll be on in a couple of weeks. Currently an older 737 is based and I’d like one with Sky Interior... one can only hope!

[ROC10]

Some serious delays today...

BY526 GLA-DLM was 8.5 hours late departing GLA as G-BYAW had to be drafted in from MAN (which G-OBYF ended up covering for there) due to GLA's G-CPEU not moving until tonight's BOJ which still left a bit late. G-BYAW due back in GLA from DLM with a delay of over 8.5 hours.

BY7144 BHX-NAP on G-OOBN actually arrived early but the aircraft then remained at NAP for over 11 hours before operating the return to BHX which is now due around 10 hours late (G-BYAY had to be drafted in from LGW to cover).

To top it all off, BY192 MAN-CUN has just left MAN with a significant delay of 14 hours so far. G-TUIH was already late operating MRU-LGW and then had to position up to MAN presumably since G-TUIJ hasn’t moved today.

[Danny G]

BY193 got back into MAN at 7.45 this evening TUIH looks like it still has not moved.

[ROC10]

BY193 got back into MAN at 7.45 this evening TUIH looks like it still has not moved.

TUIH operated BY193 and is now on its way back down to LGW. TUIJ has been sitting at MAN for 38 hours.

Furthermore, LGW's s/h TUID operated l/h from LGW yesterday and MAN today. MAN's s/h TUIC has gone down to LGW to cover the s/h schedule there.

[nclops]

TUIA also took a 5 hour tech delay on the NCL-SFB yesterday. TUIJ has just landed in NCL, positioning in to operate the TOM524 NCL-CUN.

[Cloud1]

Quite a few unfortunate tech issues which couldn’t be foreseen. An engineering pal tells me they required a tyre change down route in NAP highlighting the importance of FOD checks at airfields.

Having monitored the operations since Saturdays pains at BHX what is interesting is that TOM cannot cancel any flights due to the nature of their business. So it takes them a few days to catchup when taking in to account crew hours and aircraft all running behind.

Scheduled airlines can cancel to give them some slack in the programme and customers just have to claim or rebook.

Basically the TOM operation has looked a bit messy lately but it appears to have been compounded by the issues on Saturday along with recent issues across Europe. Some longer sector times against the average so I assume some flight planning changes - maybe strikes somewhere.

Have all their B789s now arrived for the year? -L and -M both arrived this year. Anyone know when their first Max arrives and how many will be in place by next summer?

[LiamNCL]

First 789 flight from NCL today as said G-TUIJ filling in for TUIA

[Danny G]

BY193 got back into MAN at 7.45 this evening TUIH looks like it still has not moved. Yes it did, apologies I was meaning to say TUIJ TUID did the Orlando run yesterday is it still in shorthaul layout as I wouldnt want to do a 10 hr flight if it was especially if I had paid premium.

[caaardiff]

Yes it did, apologies I was meaning to say TUIJ TUID did the Orlando run yesterday is it still in shorthaul layout as I wouldnt want to do a 10 hr flight if it was especially if I had paid premium.

TUI's economy isn't like the 767's and is a decent offering. Yes it's an inconvenience if you had paid for Premium, but you'll get your money back. I'd rather a short delay and get on my holiday sat in Economy than a 12-24+hr delay awaiting an aircraft that has a premium cabin.
I would think given the extra amount of seats, a certain amount of space would be made available at the front so everyone isn't crammed in. with the odd seats free dotted around the cabin.

[Danny G]

yeah its ok up front if you are on a window as there will be a spare seat. Its more leg room Im thinking about 6ft 4` and paying premium for the leg room only to find it not there and having to sit 11hrs to Peurto Vallarta in SH configuration is not really my idea of fun. Have flown the 787 before and had "extra space" seats at the back which were ok I guess but anything less is not going to be fun. I agree btw I would rather get away on time but wouldnt enjoy it.

[yeo valley]

G TUIA did SAL from BRS today.It was due to depart at 12.30 local but was about an hour late departing for SAL.

[azz767]

PH-OYI is currently on route GLA-LTN, initially I assumed it had been helping out to get the schedule back on track but it seems it operated GLA-EWR yesterday, was this a charter? And is it going to LTN for a similar reason?

[yeo valley]

G TUIA got changed over some where as G TUIB operating PUJ today Thursday.Dont know if this was planned or G TUIA still had problems.

[Danny G]

TUIB flew sown from MAN and was replaced by TUIJ from Newcastle this morning meaning a 1hr 50min delay on the TOM194 departure to Peurto Vallatra. Its the first time since the start of the summer scheadule that this has happened. Interesting as we are on that route next week. TUIA repositioned to GLA and is operating todays CUN as TOM784

[ROC10]

I see that G-OBYF has swapped with G-OBYH and is now in Scandinavia with YH back in the UK after a long time away.

[Danny G]

YH is heading down yo LTN this morning either a check or maintainence

[737James]

Not sure this keeps happening but TUI keep seem to be having a problem with their Sunday night programme to Cyprus.
i am not sure if the scheduling and crewing teams are not building enough flexibility into the schedules this summer.

Second week of May Luton Paphos flight had a two hour slot delay so only operated outbound and had to wait for crew to have min rest before inbound flight could operate. Then two weeks ago a 3 hour tech delay on EMA - LCA again meant crew out of hours so flight delayed 24hrs then last night a 2.40 delay on EXT-LCA again crew out of hours so flight delayed 12 hours.

Just don’t seem to be seeing same problems with other carriers but do note some plan two hours between arrival of inbound aircraft before operating outbound Cyprus flights so any delays don’t eat into crew hours

[ROC10]

Not sure this keeps happening but TUI keep seem to be having a problem with their Sunday night programme to Cyprus.
i am not sure if the scheduling and crewing teams are not building enough flexibility into the schedules this summer.

Second week of May Luton Paphos flight had a two hour slot delay so only operated outbound and had to wait for crew to have min rest before inbound flight could operate. Then two weeks ago a 3 hour tech delay on EMA - LCA again meant crew out of hours so flight delayed 24hrs then last night a 2.40 delay on EXT-LCA again crew out of hours so flight delayed 12 hours.

Just don’t seem to be seeing same problems with other carriers but do note some plan two hours between arrival of inbound aircraft before operating outbound Cyprus flights so any delays don’t eat into crew hours

Yes, I have noticed this before with EXT-LCA so it’s at least the second time it’s happened from there. IIRC G-TAWJ wasn’t even late arriving back into EXT before the LCA flight but it just didn’t leave and G-FDZF had to be drafted in from MAN to cover the next day.

[Blakedean]

The DUB operation is also a mess lately. Friday’s TFS was cancelled, rescheduled for 0540 Saturday morning, didn’t depart until around 1530. The same afternoons KGS was cancelled & rescheduled for Sunday. Had a BY 757 in Saturday & Sunday to clear the backlog. The Monday night BOJ returned shortly after departure, was flown yesterday by a BY 787. They’ve had more problems in the previous weeks but they’re the only problems I know of first hand.

[ROC10]

The DUB operation is also a mess lately. Friday’s TFS was cancelled, rescheduled for 0540 Saturday morning, didn’t depart until around 1530. The same afternoons KGS was cancelled & rescheduled for Sunday. Had a BY 757 in Saturday & Sunday to clear the backlog. The Monday night BOJ returned shortly after departure, was flown yesterday by a BY 787. They’ve had more problems in the previous weeks but they’re the only problems I know of first hand.

Yeah, TOM have had to send their own aircraft over (737/757/787) to DUB lots to cover the SWG aircraft. There have been a couple of occasions where I’ve noticed DUB-PMI often running 12+ hours late on a 787.

A 757 was also in NWI recently covering there. I haven’t noticed as many problems at BFS or LBA but sure there have been some.

I'm sure problems with Sunwing's reliability in the past has pushed TOM to move their own aircraft to bases (I.e. EDI which has now had a TOM plane based for around five years having previously being Sunwing) but they simply don’t have the spare capacity right now. Perhaps when the MAXs arrive they will but those are primarily to replace the 757s so I can’t see there being a lot of expansion, but possibly some. GLA, CWL and DSA are all set to gain an aircraft next summer too.

[sparkie320]

Yeah, TOM have had to send their own aircraft over (737/757/787) to DUB lots to cover the SWG aircraft. There have been a couple of occasions where I’ve noticed DUB-PMI often running 12+ hours late on a 787.

A 757 was also in NWI recently covering there. I haven’t noticed as many problems at BFS or LBA but sure there have been some.

I'm sure problems with Sunwing's reliability in the past has pushed TOM to move their own aircraft to bases (I.e. EDI which has now had a TOM plane based for around five years having previously being Sunwing) but they simply don’t have the spare capacity right now. Perhaps when the MAXs arrive they will but those are primarily to replace the 757s so I can’t see there being a lot of expansion, but possibly some. GLA, CWL and DSA are all set to gain an aircraft next summer too.


G-OOBP popped into NWI last week due to 737 C-FFPH returning from Paphos diverting into Sofia due to tech issue
where it stayed and arrived back in NWI the following day ,lets just say the passengers were not too inpressed
made local news

I have noticed this year Hunberside gained it own TUI 737 am i right, last year the NWI based Sunwing popped up to Humberside couple times a week and operated some flights from there on a W pattern

Mark

[ROC10]

G-OOBP popped into NWI last week due to 737 C-FFPH returning from Paphos diverting into Sofia due to tech issue
where it stayed and arrived back in NWI the following day ,lets just say the passengers were not too inpressed
made local news

I have noticed this year Hunberside gained it own TUI 737 am i right, last year the NWI based Sunwing popped up to Humberside couple times a week and operated some flights from there on a W pattern

Mark

No, Humberside does not have a TUI 737 based. It sees one flight per week on Tuesdays on a w-pattern.

STN-PMI-HUY-PMI-STN

[ROC10]

Not looking good at GLA today. This morning's 06:00 DBV never left and G-OOBC hasn’t moved all day. G-BYAY is currently approaching GLA presumably to operate this flight but there is also a 15:50 ACE still to be operated.

[CabinCrewe]

At least the transatlantics ex GLA are better with Cancun and Orlando running to time

[Cazza_fly]

Has this become the delay watch thread ?

I'm not sure of the obsession ? Unfortunately all airlines are subject to delays and cancellations, particularly in the (UK) summer months where aircraft utilisation is at its peak and with more passengers travelling it will always be harder to recover when a delay does occur. Airlines don't want these delays nor plan them on purpose. If anything, being on a TUI flight or other charter operator could probably be the best deal should you find yourself in the unfortunate event of a severe delay. They will endeavour to get you to and from your destination on a planned flight rather than just cancel and rebook whenever availabilty arises. They may also more often than not have the flexibility of using resort hotels to keep you in the event of an extreme/indefinite delay. They've also got a reputation on priding themselves with their ontime performance - which is available for all to see. So whilst a small number of flights may be going through a rough patch, in the grand scheme of things anc with a summer of horrendous slot restrictions ontop, they're probably not doing too badly.

[azz767]

I think it’s more the increased frequency of the delays this year, for example I’m at MAN now as I type waiting to go to Ibiza and G-OBYG has been on the ground since five to 3 due to take off at 4.45 but we are delayed til 6 o’clock. It seems they are struggling to keep to schedule across the board

[Buster the Bear]

Remember capacity restrictions over Europe due ATC srikes.

[azz767]

That was what we were told by the captain, also the TUI computers broke down yesterday afternoon at MAN meaning all passenger checks had to be done manually

[ROC10]

Does anyone know why Thursday’s DLM-ABZ was diverted to NCL?

G-FDZZ flew up to ABZ, circled around and then went down to NCL and didn’t fly back up to ABZ until the next morning. This meant the CFU flight was around 3-4 hours late leaving and delayed the outbound GLA flight which caused the cruise ship to leave over three hours late.

This diverting to NCL has happened a few times on ABZ flights, even when the flights are pretty much on time, yet the return CFU was very late but still landed at ABZ.

[Vokes55]

Fog at ABZ

[ROC10]

Fog at ABZ

Ah, thought it might be something like that.

I’m guessing EDI is too busy to take the diversions?

[Callum Paterson]

EDI probably was but I doubt GLA was.

[forsythscott]

EDI probably was but I doubt GLA was.

GLA doesn't have the staff most of the time to deal with any TUI diverts.