Newcastle-9

[SWBKCB]

Or maybe not - why would TCX want to slowly drop out of the scene? If they wanted out, they'd just go.

BTW - Nouvelair have been flying for UK and European tour operators for twenty years.

[HH6702]

Now on sale from Newcastle winter 2019/20

Jet2 claims to have added 12% from ncl

good news

[VentureGo]

Now on sale from Newcastle winter 2019/20

Jet2 claims to have added 12% from ncl

good news


https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/jet2-announces-biggest-ever-winter-15236924

[LiamNCL]

Thanks - be interesting to see what impact the removal of the leased NCL-based 320 has, especially if there is more none TCX operated fights, fewer 'W' flights by NCL based a/c and more TCX 'W' flights into NCL.

No W's operated by NCL based aircraft next year. Would like to think a few could be added by another base like MAN for us though.

[VentureGo]

No W's operated by NCL based aircraft next year. Would like to think a few could be added by another base like MAN for us though.

Seems Thomas Cook are ending all flights from Leeds Bradford which I think were served on W pattern from Newcastle based a/c - Sure Antalya was at least.
Anyone can confirm?

[LiamNCL]

Seems Thomas Cook are ending all flights from Leeds Bradford which I think were served on W pattern from Newcastle based a/c - Sure Antalya was at least.
Anyone can confirm?

It was served once a week by NCL to AYT. Manchester W's served the rest of Leeds.They have ended Edinburgh aswell served by a Glasgow W

[southside bobby]

Currently LBA/EDI & LTN do not feature in the Thomas Cook short haul timetable for Summer `19.

[SWBKCB]

Newcastle Airport soars to 10-year high as passenger numbers top five million (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/newcastle-airport-soars-10-year-15233582)

Airport chief executive Nick Jones said: “2017 was another fantastic year for Newcastle International. Passenger numbers were the highest in a decade, making it the seventh year of continuous growth, and I’m pleased to see numbers continuing to increase through 2018."

[DanAir89]

Maybe its the planned beginning of the end for TC and its their way of dropping slowly out of the scene.
Either way, Tunisia, a dodgy holiday choice anyway, is completely off the menu now the flight itself has been handed off (to me at any rate) to some second tier 'private' operator.

no difference to the a320 that’s been based for years - second tier......

[LiamNCL]

no difference to the a320 that’s been based for years - second tier......



TCX Passengers might actually benefit from not being stranded down route at some point during the summer on the tatty A320 thats been here for donkeys years.

[sixchannel]

TCX Passengers might actually benefit from not being stranded down route at some point during the summer on the tatty A320 thats been here for donkeys years.
I wonder if thats the A320 DanAir89 refers to. The "YL-thingy" perhaps.;-)
(Oh, and I've just realised that we'll be flying on one of those YL-thingys next week FUE-BHX.)

[LiamNCL]

Over on the Jet2 forum they say NCL will be fully B738 by April can anyone confirm ? That will be 7x B738 for S19

[Fly757X]

Over on the Jet2 forum they say NCL will be fully B738 by April can anyone confirm ? That will be 7x B738 for S19

I've heard that from someone else too.

[Jamesair]

Interesting part of Steve Heapy's announcement of Winter 2019/20 expansion was that there is more to come

[Jamesair]

EASYJET....SUMMER TIMETABLE

changes to the main summer timetable from the early summer are:- ALICANTE reduces from 7 weekly to 6.....BARCELONA reduces from 6 weekly to 5....BRISTOL reduces from 15 weekly to 14.....FARO reduces from 6 weekly to 5......JERSEY.....increases to 4 weekly from 5...PALMA ...increases to 8 weekly from 7...NICE....increases to 4 weekly from 3 and SPLIT is added with 2 weekly ....Overall a reduction of 3 flights a week against peak summer 2018

[apaul]

Split is the same as this year. Short season from late June to late August, twice weekly.

[LiamNCL]

I've heard that from someone else too.

Jet2 website seems to confirm everything will be on a 737-800. Quick look at FCO / KRK / GRO usual 733 routes and all have 738 maps.

[Falcon900LX]

Over on the Jet2 forum they say NCL will be fully B738 by April can anyone confirm ? That will be 7x B738 for S19

I had heard February but maybe I'm splitting hairs.

[TOM100]

Are Eastern dropping CWL - doesn't seem to be bookable late November ?

[VentureGo]

Are Eastern dropping CWL - doesn't seem to be bookable late November ?

Limited Friday & Sunday journeys in December then seems to be most days from January '19 (on Flybe website operated by Eastern J41s)

https://www.flybe.com/web-app/index.html

[brownale342]

Are Eastern dropping CWL - doesn't seem to be bookable late November ?

It seems Eastern are reviewing their ops.

Not bookable apart from the odd flights dotted around the place, same applies for ABZ.

[HH6702]

Surprised they have any customers left to be honest the way they have been cancelling flights over the past few months

[jensdad]

It seems Eastern are reviewing their ops.
In general, or just from Newcastle? Nothing on the Aberdeen or Eastern Airways forums...

[NCL-TRC]

Eastern have had a relatively big shake up of their timetable from Newcastle this week without a great deal of notice. Aberdeen going down to twice a day with the early morning and tea time flight and Cardiff once a day with the aircraft actually being based in Cardiff during the week, giving a rather non business friendly mid afternoon departure.

[PDXCWL45]

Eastern have had a relatively big shake up of their timetable from Newcastle this week without a great deal of notice. Aberdeen going down to twice a day with the early morning and tea time flight and Cardiff once a day with the aircraft actually being based in Cardiff during the week, giving a rather non business friendly mid afternoon departure.
If they are going to use the VLY aircraft then it would have to be in the late morning to allow it to get back for the 16.10 departure to VLY especially as VLY i think closes around 17.30 to 18.00. Looking at the flights onsale this could only happen in November and December as from January it's back to 10 weekly.

[Jamesair]

The August stats are now available on the CAA website

[Falcon900LX]

I had heard Eastern were starting the LCY route back up in the new year too using the J41. Isn't LCY a slot restricted airport??

[Jamesair]

Interesting development....last time this was tried the small aircraft proved uneconomic i.e. the high landing charges against the small number of passengers they could carry.....a Saab 2000 or similar size might work. I hope it happens

[NCL-TRC]

Given how busy LCY is these days I’d be surprised if they gave slots to a J41, I’d like to see it though.

[Ph1l1pncl]

I flew thought the airport at lunchtime today for the first time in a couple of years (I usually take the last BA flight doesn’t to London) and the airport was relatively busy for the post summer peak. Emirates, two Easyjet, two jet2, my BA, flybmi and KLM, so a fair few passengers milling around. Many had Scottish accents which is a good sign. Security was fine and no major wait for that. However, bar 11,the beer house and cafe ritazza looked like a bomb had went off. So much rubbish, left over food and drink on the tables and barely any staff, it doesn’t give a good impression. WHSmith was also looking sorry for itself. But, it was good to see Pitta and Brew open as it’s always closed late at night, and the new health food hut had a queue too. The main seating area was of course busy, but there isn’t much seating now after the refurbishment. But, one thing which was empty was Flying Hippo, I don’t know if it get some busier in the height of summer, but the restaurant takes up a huge amount of space. It either should be smaller so more regular seating can be provided, or it turned into another restaurant. Liverpool airport has a Frankie and Bennys, that would do pretty well at Newcastle, or even a Wetherspoons (I know that’s another pub which many don’t like) or a Nando’s. That would do roaring trade. It also seems silly to have another smaller duty free store at the other end of the terminal after you have been forced to snake around the new store.

The pier needs a drastic overhaul, that’s embarrassing now with the out of date adverts, the peeling paint and scuff marks. Any plans for that to be refurbished? Also, when did the new self check in and bag drop go in for a Thomas Cook, Tui check in? The free cash machine landslide beside WHSmith has now turned into a traveler mach8ne, which is frustrating as now the minimum you can withdraw isn’t £20 instead of £5/£10 when it was NatWest.

It be be interesting to see how 2019pans out, I’m guessing it will be one of contraction due to the loss of the third Thomas Cook aircraft, two Ryanair routes lost and the Easyjet Berlin flight. Eastern Airways troubles,

[ash666]

I got to NCL last night on the late KLM flight.
First we got an announcement saying there would be a delay getting the steps to the plane but got inside to a deserted baggage area and it was a good 20 minutes for the bags to start coming out with several people on the phone to their pick-ups outside apologising for still being inside.

And if the ultra security conscious AMS airport doesn't want your laptop out your bag why should NCL?

[SWBKCB]

And if the ultra security conscious AMS airport doesn't want your laptop out your bag why should NCL?

Because the Dept of Transport says so :ok:

[ash666]

Because the Dept of Transport says so :ok:

It's about time it was standardised all over Europe/the world, it would save a lot of aggravation.

[Rich3]

Newcastle Airport Tweet...Great news if you love a #citybreak! More seats to Rome, Prague and Krakow coming in winter 19/20 thanks to @jet2tweets

More flights? or, simply a case of more seats due to the -300 being phased out and replaced with the larger -800 and therefore an extra 41 seats per flight?

[Jamesair]

Still twice weekly on all three....its just the larger aircraft

[tigertanaka]

Because the Dept of Transport says so :ok:

AMS are using CT (Computed Tomography) scanners which are a new technology and is why passengers don't always have to remove laptops. It is being tested at LHR now apparently (although I have yet to experience it).

[ash666]

AMS are using CT (Computed Tomography) scanners which are a new technology and is why passengers don't always have to remove laptops. It is being tested at LHR now apparently (although I have yet to experience it).

If it's a success NCL will probably get one in 2036.

[jensdad]

Been said on here before, but inconsistency in security procedures actually makes it more difficult for potential attackers as from day to day they don't know which security measures they will be faced with.
Re the pier, I don't know, I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment. It's functional, does the job it's meant to do. First world problems tbh.

[Hipennine]

Been said on here before, but inconsistency in security procedures actually makes it more difficult for potential attackers as from day to day they don't know which security measures they will be faced with.
Re the pier, I don't know, I wouldn't say it was an embarrassment. It's functional, does the job it's meant to do. First world problems tbh.

I disagree, the airport is the International Gateway to the region, and first impressions count. If I was a potential inward investor, I wouldn't be impressed. A regular spring clean of the paintwork, etc. wouldn't be a huge cost, but make such a difference.

[Jamesair]

There must be someone at the airport whose job it is see what maintenance work needs to be done. I agree, first impressions are important...airports, hotels, restaurants etc....all need to impress visitors favourably...unless you feel you are in a monopoly situation.

[jensdad]

Isn't LCY a slot restricted airport??
From goings-on on the Aberdeen thread it seems that slots won't be a problem: Apparently it's the existing ABZ-LCY service making a stop here.

[Falcon900LX]

I wouldn't be surprised, Eastern seem to love transit flights.

[Jamesair]

Any start date for this new service been mentioned?

[jensdad]

Any start date for this new service been mentioned?
Just 'very soon' according to one contributor on the Aberdeen thread. More details over there.

[SWBKCB]

The August stats are now available on the CAA website

Stats not yet complete as BRS and JER still missing. However, current top ten not looking great

1. PALMA 50,556 56,623 -10.71
2. ALICANTE 40,079 43,789 -8.47
3. HEATHROW 39,255 41,768 -6.02
4. MALAGA 30,899 30,315 1.93
5. AMSTERDAM 29,859 32,758 -8.85
6. BELFAST 25,888 21,089 22.76
7. FARO 23,051 24,958 -7.64
8. DUBAI 22,422 21,925 2.27
9. DUBLIN 21,420 24,837 -13.76
10. DALAMAN 19,798 13,053 51.67

[Jamesair]

BRISTOL 18,255 +31%
JERSEY 4775 +2%

[Falcon900LX]

Anyone know the stats on the Berlin apposed to last year? find it odd it's being dropped from what looks to be fairly consistent loads.

[SWBKCB]

BERLIN (SCHONEFELD) 3,913 4,219 -7.25%. Drop of 306 pax in August

[apaul]

As there were 5 Tuesdays in August 2017 and 4 Tuesdays in 2018 NCL-SXF operated on 14 days in August 2017 and 13 days in August 2018 so no real change in passenger loads.

[HH6702]

What about Ryanair Madrids service is there a comparison ?

[SWBKCB]

MADRID 3,194 2,865 +11.48. An increase of 329

[N707ZS]

Was there talk about not keeping that for the winter and 2019. Would be a shame as there is no other access to mid/northern Spain. Perhaps a route for Jet 2.

[Jamesair]

The loss of two major routes is bad news whichever way you look at it. It really seems to be a case of "use it, or lose it"

[HH6702]

We can't keep Berlin and Madrid but airport says if APD was reduced we would get a link to Lisbon

maybe easyjet could get Madrid to work

[ash666]

We can't keep Berlin and Madrid but airport says if APD was reduced we would get a link to Lisbon

maybe easyjet could get Madrid to work

I would love to have used Madrid but not at those flight times as I would want to go on to Seville and get there at a sensible time.
I'm sure a lot of people would just use it as a connecting point so an early flight would be needed.

[NCL-TRC]

I’ve used both Berlin and Madrid flights both were pretty much full. I think Iberia Express could give MAD a decent stab if they really wanted to, better flight times and the ability to connect would only help, as would the inevitable BA codeshare and frequent flyer base already at NCL.

[GrahamK]

Don't forget Warsaw is also a goner!

[Jamesair]

That makes three capital city flights lost

[HH6702]

Don't forget Warsaw is also a goner!

isnt that just a winter drop the same as last winter its back for summer 2019?

[SWBKCB]

isnt that just a winter drop the same as last winter its back for summer 2019?

Warsaw is operating this winter - it was in this morning :ok: Not bookable beyond the end of March

[GrahamK]

W18/19 will se CityJet operating 2 of the 3 daily flights to CDG using the RJ85 again. They will be operating the nightstopper and the late morning rotations with Hop operating the afternoon flight with E170/190 a/c

[10 DME ARC]

CityJet - Hopefully that will stop the need to leave a lot of bags in Paris on the 11am, full of connecting pax's, Paris!! Plus the Hop crew's have some of the worst customer service I have seen!

[jensdad]

A bit of chatter on the Teesside thread about car-parts flights at the moment. Was that an Antonov I saw from a distance, taking off at approx 1 - 1.30pm? I know there was a Hungarian Saab 340 in a week or so ago.

[SWBKCB]

No - Irish Air Corp CASA 235 or maybe the Eurowings DHC-8

[N707ZS]

On a quiet afternoon why should it take an hour from landing to get out of the front door! Couldn't believe the fiasco today with ques at the new passport machines and the famous wait for the baggage.

[jensdad]

No - Irish Air Corp CASA 235 or maybe the Eurowings DHC-8
The IAC CASA-235 sounds like the one. I was passing Belsay when I saw it in the distance heading west.
Thanks for the info. My aircraft recog skills need brushing up :)

[BAladdy]

W18/19 will se CityJet operating 2 of the 3 daily flights to CDG using the RJ85 again. They will be operating the nightstopper and the late morning rotations with Hop operating the afternoon flight with E170/190 a/c
S19 schedule has just been updated. Think the only difference is that all flights will be operated by Hop. A Cityjet AR8 operated one rotation daily this summer

AF1559 NCL 06:10 CDG 09:00 E70 D
AF1059 NCL 12:20 CDG 15:10 E90 x6
AF1059 NCL 12:20 CDG 15:10 E70 6
AF1159 NCL 16:35 CDG 19:25 E90 x6

AF1058 CDG 11:00 NCL 11:45 E90 x6
AF1058 CDG 11:00 NCL 11:45 E70 6
AF1158 CDG 15:00 NCL 15:50 E90 x6
AF1158 CDG 15:00 NCL 15:55 E70 6
AF1558 CDG 22:15 NCL 23:00 E70 x6

[ash666]

On a quiet afternoon why should it take an hour from landing to get out of the front door! Couldn't believe the fiasco today with ques at the new passport machines and the famous wait for the baggage.

For many years now NCL has been trying to attract more and more flights and passengers without the infrastructure to cope with them.

And, as I mentioned before, you should take a look at the machine they use to get the baggage on and off the planes. It's unbelievably slow.
Which wouldn't be so bad if the people/person on the plane loading it manage to get on more than 1 bag per minute. The handlers at the bottom spend a long time just standing there waiting for the next bag to get to them.

Which means NCL should get a touch of realism for their schedules. KLM arrives at 12.45pm and departs again at 13.15pm??? Don't make me larf.
In theory, the incoming flight could easily land at 12.30pm but I'm not so sure it manages that regularly so it almost redefines optimism to think NCL could turn a plane round in 30mins.

[Jamesair]

Curious Fact.......Airport Facts which shows the monthly movements and pax figures seems to have been removed from the airport website.

[BAladdy]

BM will replace the ER3 aircraft based at NCL with a ER4 from 28OCT. The change in aircraft will result in a 30% increase in capacity according to the article. BM currently plan to operate in 2019.

https://www.flybmi.com/en/press/flybmi-increases-capacity-from-newcastle-international-to-belgium-and-norway

[NCL-TRC]

Which means NCL should get a touch of realism for their schedules. KLM arrives at 12.45pm and departs again at 13.15pm??? Don't make me larf.
In theory, the incoming flight could easily land at 12.30pm but I'm not so sure it manages that regularly so it almost redefines optimism to think NCL could turn a plane round in 30mins.

Seeing as that’s the minimum allowed ground time for a KLM Embraer aircraft, then yes it’s more than acheiveable and done so on a regular basis, EZY and Ryanair have even quicker turnarounds with aircraft almost twice the size that you’ll be surprised to know NCL also manages to turn aircraft around in.

BM will replace the ER3 aircraft based at NCL with a ER4 from 28OCT. The change in aircraft will result in a 30% increase in capacity according to the article. BM currently plan to operate in 2019.


I suspect driven by the fact that BMI are transferring an ER3 (XJ) to Loganair but good news never the less.

[VentureGo]

Curious Fact.......Airport Facts which shows the monthly movements and pax figures seems to have been removed from the airport website.

All figures have been "wiped" - Wonder why the airport may not want these published? https://www.newcastleairport.com/about-your-airport/airport-facts/passenger-statistics/

Also Consultative Committee Meeting Minutes have not been published since last year (4th drop down menu in link) : :https://www.newcastleairport.com/about-your-airport/consultative-committee/

[SWBKCB]

Probably somebody has been looking at the "clicks" and decided it's not cost effective to update.

[TheLambtonWorm]

Probably somebody has been looking at the "clicks" and decided it's not cost effective to update.

The Latest News page hasn't been updated since 12 July this year either.

[ash666]

Seeing as that’s the minimum allowed ground time for a KLM Embraer aircraft, then yes it’s more than acheiveable and done so on a regular basis, EZY and Ryanair have even quicker turnarounds with aircraft almost twice the size that you’ll be surprised to know NCL also manages to turn aircraft around in.



I was watching that flight frequently before I last went on holiday and didn't see a 30 minute turnaround on one single occasion.
I looked on the day I posted this and the incoming flight was 10 mins late so KLM would have been trying to get it turned round asap.
It took 50 minutes.

[NCL-TRC]

I was watching that flight frequently before I last went on holiday and didn't see a 30 minute turnaround on one single occasion.
I looked on the day I posted this and the incoming flight was 10 mins late so KLM would have been trying to get it turned round asap.
It took 50 minutes.

Where as today’s was turned around in 28 minutes, Yesterday was 38 minutes, I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, I’m presuming flight radar or the airport website, Both of these show landing and take off times and not block times which are used to calculate turnaround time. They also don’t show the doors closed times so you’d be unable to tell if the aircraft was sat on stand closed up awaiting a slot time which going into busy airports like Amsterdam are frequent.

Don’t get me wrong I’m far from being an apologist for NCL, there’s a lot that needs to be improved on however you need to make sure you have the accurate data and background information before you start criticising.

[ash666]

Where as today’s was turned around in 28 minutes, Yesterday was 38 minutes, I’m not sure where you’re getting your information, I’m presuming flight radar or the airport website, Both of these show landing and take off times and not block times which are used to calculate turnaround time. They also don’t show the doors closed times so you’d be unable to tell if the aircraft was sat on stand closed up awaiting a slot time which going into busy airports like Amsterdam are frequent.

Don’t get me wrong I’m far from being an apologist for NCL, there’s a lot that needs to be improved on however you need to make sure you have the accurate data and background information before you start criticising.

I was getting my info from Flightradar along with arrival times at AMS so I do take your point.

[Jamesair]

Traffic on the Brussels service has been rising steadily over recent months, recovering from the terrorist related incident which led to a sharp initial fall in passengers and a frequency reduction. Remember that this route used to support 3 flights daily. Stavanger is steady and, of course, uses the same based aircraft.

[fl dutchman]

Jet 2-------- Looks like Jet 2 are ending the summer schedules/ starting the winter with 5 x 738(plus1) and 2 x733(minus1) based.
One of the current 738 being a new one!!.


Also notice the 733 is being used on some TFS rotations instead of the usual 738.

[LiamNCL]

Jet 2-------- Looks like Jet 2 are ending the summer schedules/ starting the winter with 5 x 738(plus1) and 2 x733(minus1) based.
One of the current 738 being a new one!!.


Also notice the 733 is being used on some TFS rotations instead of the usual 738.

New 738 JZHT was filling in for DRTF that was stuck down in Lanzarote on Saturday. It has already postioned to Glasgow

[sixchannel]

New 738 JZHT was filling in for DRTF that was stuck down in Lanzarote on Saturday. It has already postioned to Glasgow
Ah well, it would have been nice, fl dutchman.
DRTF, of course, is one of Transaero's 18 year old 737-800's, stored for 2.1/2 years before Jet2 bought it. I guess you get what you pay for. Let's hope it wasn't a lot.

[Plane.Silly]

DRTF, of course, is one of Transaero's 18 year old 737-800's, stored for 2.1/2 years before Jet2 bought it. I guess you get what you pay for. Let's hope it wasn't a lot.

Probably some of the dust it gathered affecting one small area causing it to go tech :p

[sixchannel]

Probably some of the dust it gathered affecting one small area causing it to go tech :p
Probably the wicks in the engines needed trimming 😀

[inOban]

I think that this conversation is inappropriate, considering that an almost new MAX crashed last night in Indonesia with no survivors.

[sixchannel]

I think that this conversation is inappropriate, considering that an almost new MAX crashed last night in Indonesia with no survivors.
As far as I dac tell this has nothing whatsoever to do with the tragedy in Indonesia. Its just some wry commentsbabout an 18yr old aircraft going tech.
AFAIK the Lion Air 737 was brand new.
Moderator - if you feel I was offensive, please remove my post.

[FFHKG]

Concur with sixchannel..... I am afraid I cannot see any link between the two events other than the two aircraft were manufactured by Boing some 16 years apart.

[LiamNCL]

I think its more tounge in cheek about Jet2's lack of newer aircraft being based here not that there is anything wrong with DRTF or it being 18 year old. G-DRTN has just ferried to Manchester maybe thats our next new one :}

[sixchannel]

I think its more tounge in cheek about Jet2's lack of newer aircraft being based here not that there is anything wrong with DRTF or it being 18 year old. G-DRTN has just ferried to Manchester maybe thats our next new one :}
Quite so.
BTW G-DRTN is another mid-life frame ex-Rossiya so you Geordies might get lucky there.😊
Airfleets show it as LEASED from GECAS. Is this a change in direction by Jet2?

[Jamesair]

Flybe is still slowly releasing the summer 19 timetable June - Sept. So far confirmed is EXETER ...daily. SOUTHAMPTON ...18 weekly. NEWQUAY.....1 weekly.

[VentureGo]

Also Consultative Committee Meeting Minutes have not been published since last year (4th drop down menu in link) :

Consultative Committee Meeting minutes have now been updated ( with minutes from March, June & September 2018 added) on the Airport's website:

https://www.newcastleairport.com/about-your-airport/consultative-committee/

[Ph1l1pncl]

On a quiet afternoon why should it take an hour from landing to get out of the front door! Couldn't believe the fiasco today with ques at the new passport machines and the famous wait for the baggage.

As I’ve said previously, the problem that Newcastle has is that it now only has one ground handling agent, aside from fines from airlines/airport itself for breaking any SLA agreements Swissport has no other real reason to provide as quick and efficient service. And Swissport will want to keep their costs to a minimum, it’s not like they have the threat of loosing an airline contract to an alternative provider. It’s either accept Swissport and it’s fees and service levels, or self handle at the airport or potentially leave the market. I do think that Jet2 should self handle at Newcastle, that would take a large proportion in the summer off Swissport.

On a separate note, are any of the Jet2 New York shopping trips operating on the 330 this year, or just the 757?

[LiamNCL]

On a separate note, are any of the Jet2 New York shopping trips operating on the 330 this year, or just the 757?

No all 757 the A330 is going off lease.

[Falcon900LX]

As I’ve said previously, the problem that Newcastle has is that it now only has one ground handling agent, aside from fines from airlines/airport itself for breaking any SLA agreements Swissport has no other real reason to provide as quick and efficient service. And Swissport will want to keep their costs to a minimum, it’s not like they have the threat of loosing an airline contract to an alternative provider. It’s either accept Swissport and it’s fees and service levels, or self handle at the airport or potentially leave the market. I do think that Jet2 should self handle at Newcastle, that would take a large proportion in the summer off Swissport.

On a separate note, are any of the Jet2 New York shopping trips operating on the 330 this year, or just the 757?


EZY & BA handling contracts expire in the new year at newcastle so Swissport have every reason to provide a quick and efficient service. Jet2 pay pennies for handling at NCL, so at the minute it doesn't seem viable for them to then buy a lot of their own equipment. At the start of the summer they cut costs even more by running the APU's on first wave instead of having a GPU connected. In november and december jet2 will be getting a delivery of their own branded steps, which of course it has been said on this forum for some time.
Airline handling isn't a lucrative business, having 2 minutes to open a hold door, 2 minutes to open door 1 and up to 3 minutes to open door 2 on an easyjet isn't easy especially when you're supposed to wait 90 seconds for the aircraft to spool down. The dispatchers and ramp team are the same people who worked for aviator & some of which worked for north east aviation services. These people know how to do their jobs. Perhaps the issue lies with paying peanuts for tickets. Maybe if the people of the North East put their hands into their pockets and some more lucrative carriers came into the airport there wouldn't be such an issue with airline handling. It will never be perfect and I personally don't agree with swissport being the only handling agent at NCL, but there's nothing wrong with the service it provides. A lot of the time the 25 minute Easyjet turnaround is hampered by the airport not turning up with the services they say will provide, the morning NCL/PMI or sometimes NCL/ALC is preceded by the aircraft inbound from BFS, I'm not sure if it's been noticed but a domestic in and international out the inbound passengers have to be coached to a different gate.

The light should be shone on NIALs attitude to handling passengers and pax assistance as well as their shortcomings in that department but then what do I know.

[JonnyH]

Has anyone got any info on the EZY divert to Lisbon on its way to TFS? Was it medical? Asking for a colleague who is in TFS awaiting the return leg which is now delayed until tomorrow afternoon.

[Ph1l1pncl]

BA aren’t certainly going to pay more for a handling contract, not sure what other lucrative carriers would be willing to pay more for a service either. They are all trying to save pennies and BA are particularly ruthless when it comes to these sort of things. Plus NCL doesn’t appear to be on the favourite list with them either at the moment with the such erratic schedule for the winter. I appreciate that handling is not a lucrative business, same as aircraft cleaning (which can be atrocious not just at Newcastle but at all domestic stations including Heathrow) I appreciate they don’t get a long time to complete this, but they manage it a lot better on the continent with the same amount of time. Maybe the RFP process will result in another provider coming to the airport. But I can never see the North East public shelling out more money for tickets. Nor going anywhere more than two weeks on a beach due to the cancellations of Berlin, Madrid and Warsaw.

Ive not had any issues with the PRM handling when I come into Newcastle, for BA, NCL and LBA are the only airports which provide prm assistance in house and they are usually pretty high up with the customer satisfaction. Bussing is obvious it will have its shortfalls due to the amount of busses the airport seem to own. Is it 3 or 4?

Will be interstung to see see how it pans out in the future.

[sixchannel]

Has anyone got any info on the EZY divert to Lisbon on its way to TFS? Was it medical? Asking for a colleague who is in TFS awaiting the return leg which is now delayed until tomorrow afternoon.
Wouldn't have thought that length of return delay to be due to a divert, essentially en route, for a medical issue. Maybe the crew is out of hours for the return after the time on ground in Lisbon. 2 x 4.1/2 hr flights + turn round time. Add to that maybe an hour or two in Lisbon.
Checked the aircraft on FR24 - arrived TFS 18.54.

[CroqueMonsieur]

BA aren’t certainly going to pay more for a handling contract, not sure what other lucrative carriers would be willing to pay more for a service either. They are all trying to save pennies and BA are particularly ruthless when it comes to these sort of things. Plus NCL doesn’t appear to be on the favourite list with them either at the moment with the such erratic schedule for the winter. I appreciate that handling is not a lucrative business, same as aircraft cleaning (which can be atrocious not just at Newcastle but at all domestic stations including Heathrow) I appreciate they don’t get a long time to complete this, but they manage it a lot better on the continent with the same amount of time. Maybe the RFP process will result in another provider coming to the airport. But I can never see the North East public shelling out more money for tickets. Nor going anywhere more than two weeks on a beach due to the cancellations of Berlin, Madrid and Warsaw.

Ive not had any issues with the PRM handling when I come into Newcastle, for BA, NCL and LBA are the only airports which provide prm assistance in house and they are usually pretty high up with the customer satisfaction. Bussing is obvious it will have its shortfalls due to the amount of busses the airport seem to own. Is it 3 or 4?

Will be interstung to see see how it pans out in the future.

Airlines have been commoditised and people are more savvy than ever. If the NCL market demands low fare flights to bucket and spade routes then that's what the commodity providers (airlines) will provide. They're not there to make NCL's route map look overly impressive. They're there to turn a profit and provide shareholder return. For such a small and relatively poor area with half of its catchment area being the North Sea, NCL has an impressive range of holiday routes and one stop connections to the globe via DUB, LHR, DXB, CDG, AMS, BRU and the odd connection or two possible on the Eurowings service. Choice and freedom are some of the best features of our modern western world. If you want to spend two weeks in Benidorm drunk you can. If you want a bit more culture, you can. There's no point serving a market that can't support your product.

Airlines are providing lower prices whilst making great margins as a whole and Swissport's half year results suggest they don't have a problem making money. Same with the airport. This also comes with amazing safety. Ryanair and easyJet have carried more passengers than any other airline by far without losing a single passenger. The model of low cost airlines is a sustainable one for the suppliers, airports and the airlines and it's here to stay.

[JonnyH]

Wouldn't have thought that length of return delay to be due to a divert, essentially en route, for a medical issue. Maybe the crew is out of hours for the return after the time on ground in Lisbon. 2 x 4.1/2 hr flights + turn round time. Add to that maybe an hour or two in Lisbon.
Checked the aircraft on FR24 - arrived TFS 18.54.

Yeah aware the return is due to time out of hours but why did it divert to LIS?

[sixchannel]

Yeah aware the return is due to time out of hours but why did it divert to LIS?

Try putting the post on the Easyjet threads.

[Jamesair]

The September passenger statistics are available on the CAA website today

[VentureGo]

From The Chronicle: Budget 2018: How passengers and Newcastle Airport could be hit by an increase in Air Passenger Duty

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/budget-2018-how-passengers-newcastle-15346233

[JonnyH]

Wouldn't have thought that length of return delay to be due to a divert, essentially en route, for a medical issue. Maybe the crew is out of hours for the return after the time on ground in Lisbon. 2 x 4.1/2 hr flights + turn round time. Add to that maybe an hour or two in Lisbon.
Checked the aircraft on FR24 - arrived TFS 18.54.

It was a medical divert FYI. Crew went out of hours subsequently.

[JonnyH]

Appreciate it’s pretty early but has anyone got an idea of the % load for LS to EWR this year? Currently offering £205 return (including baggage) for the upcoming flights and I have heard from a friend who works on the ground at NCL that they’re not looking to be fantastic.

Hopefully we can continue pulling in whatever routes we can get it, regardless of frequency, next year.

[HH6702]

TUI will put may-oct 2020 holidays on sale 4 months earlier than ever next week Thursday 8th Nov

wow !!

[LiamNCL]

Appreciate it’s pretty early but has anyone got an idea of the % load for LS to EWR this year? Currently offering £205 return (including baggage) for the upcoming flights and I have heard from a friend who works on the ground at NCL that they’re not looking to be fantastic.

Hopefully we can continue pulling in whatever routes we can get it, regardless of frequency, next year.

They are offering them prices from elsewhere including LBA & MAN. We are fortunate to have 9 departing flights to New York this winter with EMA BFS and GLA only having the one or 2. Looking at the seat maps they are about 40 seats per flight short in November and most are single seats dotted about the cabin.


TUI will put may-oct 2020 holidays on sale 4 months earlier than ever next week Thursday 8th Nov

wow !!


Hopefully they will include NCL in their plans this time.

[SWBKCB]

Hopefully they will include NCL in their plans this time.

What do you mean?

[DanAir89]

What do you mean?

probably just the usual hope that NCL will feature in the prsss release saying 4th 737, new short haul destinations and Punta Cana added etc etc which isnt just good for the airport but suggests the region is doing well.

But more often than not usually no mention of NCl or very limited change inferring the opposite for the local economy.

splits the readership on here and usually leads to a lot of negatively from what starts as a hopeful post 🤗

[SWBKCB]

Right, so the comment meant hopes for expansion for NCL? Don't think anybody would argue with that, but it could have been inferred that the poster considered TUI's position at NCL was in doubt.

[LiamNCL]

Right, so the comment meant hopes for expansion for NCL? Don't think anybody would argue with that, but it could have been inferred that the poster considered TUI's position at NCL was in doubt.

No im referring to the last major TUI announcement had expansion everywhere else but here im hoping for something this time especially with -1 TCX from next year.

[HH6702]

Whats intresting to me is why TUI wants to go first and so far infront of the rest ?

has TUI decided it's time to get ahead of the likes of Jet2holidays now

with Jet2 expecting to announce routes from BRS,Cardiff for summer 2020 is TUI now going to start attacking back ?

also TCX has for 2019 reduced holidays on offer from all over the U.K.
Again does TUI see this as get in first with the early bookers to win % growth

[SWBKCB]

with Jet2 expecting to announce routes from BRS,Cardiff for summer 2020 is TUI now going to start attacking back ?

Is there evidence for this or is it just another PPrune urban myth?

[LBAflyer22]

Is there evidence for this or is it just another PPrune urban myth?

It's an urban myth.

[LiamNCL]

Well there is a spare slot up for grabs in the summer will TUI grab it and base a 4th ? Have to wait and see.

[HH6702]

Is there evidence for this or is it just another PPrune urban myth?

heard they are looking for pilots to be based at CWL,BRS,BCN

[sixchannel]

heard they are looking for pilots to be based at CWL,BRS,BCN

That was on a Wiki site which anyone can edit and put up their favourite pipe dreams - like Jet2 buying Condor's 757s. That and other fairytales.
Cant see it myself - but never say never.

[SJL26779]

2019 will be Thomas Cook's last year at Newcastle. They are pulling all ops from there after next Summer.

[LiamNCL]

2019 will be Thomas Cook's last year at Newcastle. They are pulling all ops from there after next Summer.

So they are closing the base in 2019 but you can book holidays upto end of April 2020 ? Thats a big statement, Where have you heard this ?

[Jamesair]

I always thought that Newcastle had always been one of its more successful bases...for own aircraft operations. It's the third party season charter cancellations that are causing the cutbacks next year.

I understand that German operator Bin Air....a regular visitor to NCL have suspended operations

[JonnyH]

2019 will be Thomas Cook's last year at Newcastle. They are pulling all ops from there after next Summer.

Evidence of this?

[HH6702]

TCX will go on sale soon also and follow TUI so we won't need to wait long

[SWBKCB]

Mainly stuff we've heard before - one bit new to me:

Mr Jewsbury said: “When we first went into Newcastle there were a few raised eyebrows in the industy but since 2007 we have grown the operation, from the Airbus A330 to the Boeing 777 and carried over 242,000 passengers, 24,000 in business class. The seat factor is getting to 80% so we’re really pleased with that.

Emirates passenger numbers from Newcastle take off by 25% in five years (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/emirates-passenger-numbers-newcastle-take-15374352)

[GrahamK]

Mainly stuff we've heard before - one bit new to me:

You

Emirates passenger numbers from Newcastle take off by 25% in five years (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/emirates-passenger-numbers-newcastle-take-15374352)
Equates to just over 78% average load in business class. Not too bad

[SJL26779]

Last summer season will be 2019 is what I meant. Sorry I should have been more clear. Cabin crew have already been told and offered other bases. All will become clear when Thomas Cook Summer 2020 goes on sale. No TCX aircraft at NCL.

[LiamNCL]

Last summer season will be 2019 is what I meant. Sorry I should have been more clear. Cabin crew have already been told and offered other bases. All will become clear when Thomas Cook Summer 2020 goes on sale. No TCX aircraft at NCL.

400,000 seat loss that would be ? Very suprised Newcastle would go as its one of Thomas Cooks original bases way back from Flying Colours / Airtours / My Travel & JMC days.

[HH6702]

Watch this space I would say a deal has been done with Jet2

[SJL26779]

Watch this space I would say a deal has been done with Jet2


I have heard that Jet2 will be taking over all of the TCX routes.

[sixchannel]

I have heard that Jet2 will be taking over all of the TCX routes.
If that turns out to be true, all the NaySayers who shouted Never Never Never are going to look pretty dumb.
Would Jet2 want or even need TCXs aircraft? I would doubt it.
​​​​​​Interesting times ahead?

[HH6702]

I believe this is what is happening but be careful of what is posted here as crews do read this and base isn't closing fully

Summer 2019
TCX will deploy 2x A321 (fact)
the smartlynx aircraft is to be based by Jet2 (rumoured)
understand that TCX holidays will buy some seats on the aircraft

Winter 2019/20
No Based aircraft (rumoured)
flying done by extra flights using Jet2 or TCX Aircraft from other bases or position flighya

Summer 2020
2x A321

the crew have been told the base isn't to close but then who really knows

[SWBKCB]

If that turns out to be true, all the NaySayers who shouted Never Never Never are going to look pretty dumb.

Give your head a shake, man - which posts are you referring to? All I can see is comments about TCX already selling flights in 2020 so asking for confirmation/sources.

During the winter there is a fair amount of duplication between routes, and a/c spend time sitting doing nothing, so if TCX can make better use elsewhere it makes sense to buy seats on other operators.

[LiamNCL]

Thomas Cook are also here Winter 19/20 thats also a fact and runs as far as 30th April. Nothing on sale afterwards as its not on sale yet. It would not suprise me to see the winter based aircraft go because alot of Thomas Cooks A321s are heading to Canada now with 8 going this winter , 3 already over in Montreal.

[Daily Dalaman Dave]

Last summer season will be 2019 is what I meant. Sorry I should have been more clear. Cabin crew have already been told and offered other bases. All will become clear when Thomas Cook Summer 2020 goes on sale. No TCX aircraft at NCL.

Crew have been told absolutely nothing of the sort so please stop peddling total lies!

[Jamesair]

Pleased to hear that Dave

[HH6702]

Jet2 have put there city breaks on sale for Winter 2019/20

[GrahamK]

Cologne and Nuremberg new, New York reduced to just 4 flights

[LiamNCL]

TUI 2020 went on sale this morning , Skiathos available flying with TCX so that ends that rumour they will be here in 2020.

[HH6702]

That's good let's make sure when TCX goes on sale and it's not just TUI using this years info

[HH6702]

TUI Summer 2020

same as what is planned for 2019 by the looks of it no surprises odd day change maybe

45 weekly flights using 737
upto 4 flights per week using 787

[Travel Agent]

TUI have stated in the pre-launch pack that more flights will be added between now and next April when full S20 program goes on sale. That could mean any airport though and not necessarily NCL.

[HH6702]

Eastern /flybe to fly to London City

new route starts in January
lets see how long it lasts

2x daily Monday to friday
1x Sunday

[tigertanaka]

Press release from LCY: https://www.londoncityairport.com/media-centre/newcastle-adds-london-city-airport-route-with-flybe

Despite what it says, the flights do not yet appear to be bookable on flybe.com

[Falcon900LX]

There is supposed to be another route announcement in a couple of weeks but I cannot for the life of me remember what it was. It was from the same chap who told me about BE - NCL LCY.

[HH6702]

Long haul or short haul ?

[mmeteesside]

Eastern /flybe to fly to London City

new route starts in January
lets see how long it lasts

2x daily Monday to friday
1x Sunday

Seems a logical addition, and it removes an aircraft from the Aberdeen route, with a J41 staying the night at NCL presumably just an Aberdeen aircraft extending the start/end of its day. They've removed the Cardiff aircraft too, down to just once a day running from Cardiff between flights to Anglesey. All logical and will give them more sustainable operations.

[PDXCWL45]

Seems a logical addition, and it removes an aircraft from the Aberdeen route, with a J41 staying the night at NCL presumably just an Aberdeen aircraft extending the start/end of its day. They've removed the Cardiff aircraft too, down to just once a day running from Cardiff between flights to Anglesey. All logical and will give them more sustainable operations.

Cardiff goes back to being 2 daily in January so it's only a temporary thing but the shuffling about has also meant Cardiff has lost it's Aberdeen route which accounted for about 600-700 passengers a month and was via NCL without disembarking. Hopefully in the future the CWL-NCL route might get passed over to Flybe.

[tigertanaka]

NCL-LCY is now available to book on flybe.com

Weekday times are
Depart NCL 08:15, Arrive LCY 09:15
Depart NCL 17:50, Arrive LCY 19:00

Depart LCY 09:45, Arrive NCL 10:50
Depart LCY 19:30, Arrive NCL 20:35

Sundays
Depart NCL 17:50, Arrive LCY 19:00
Depart LCY 19:30, Arrive NCL 20:35

The morning flight down to LCY departs ABZ at 06:15, arrives NCL at 07:40 (35 minute turnaround)
The evening flight down to LCY departs ABZ at 16:30, arrives NCL at 17:25 (25 minute turnaround)

The morning flight up to ABZ departs NCL at 11:15 (25 minute turnaround)
The evening flight up to ABZ departs NCL at 21:00 (25 minute turnaround)

[ash666]

I hope this doesn't impact negatively on NCL.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46203183

[N707ZS]

How many flights would you loose if they went? Presuming the Eastern flights would survive.

[sixchannel]

At that kind of money, if Stobart are considering Expansion, it'd be a Gift.
They tried once but got turned down. Maybe Flybe Directors are now rueing that decision.

[NorthEasterner]

How many flights would you loose if they went? Presuming the Eastern flights would survive.

We would lose around 5 flights some days are less though. BE142/144/146/148 Southampton. BE708 Exeter. BE713 Newquay.

Then there is the Eastern flights.

[Jamesair]

Just speculating.......if the worst happened, I could see Eastern taking back the 10,000 + monthly pax...Southampton route (which Flybe forced them out of) Exeter has ever increasing pax numbers....Eastern, BMI/loganair .......Newquay...BMI/Loganair even Jet2.......or, Stobart...all three routes.

[HH6702]

Problem is Eastern doesn't have the aircraft or the crew to be able to.

how quickly could they get the crew or aircraft ?

looking at jethos fleet lists they have a lot of aircraft parked without engines at the minute

[BAladdy]

looking at jethos fleet lists they have a lot of aircraft parked without engines at the minute

G-MAJE/H-J are the 4 J41 aircraft shown as engineless. However there are a number of J41 aircraft that have not flown in recent month. They are:

G-MAJC - Hasn’t flown since 01JUN
G-MAJF - Hasn’t flown for over 6 months
G-MAJL - Hasn’t flown since 10AUG
G-MAJW - Hasn’t flown since 16AUG
​​​​​
Would Loganair be interested in buying Eastern?

[HH6702]

What would they be gaining ?

a lot of broken aircraft
passengers would just rebook with loganair I wouldn't have thought there would be much goodwill in Eastern ?

[SWBKCB]

"Would Loganair be interested in buying Eastern?"

Eastern is owned by Bristows who need the ATR's - why should they sell?

[fl dutchman]

TUI
Some of the flights on sale for summer 2019 are classed as TUI flights operated by another carrier. Sunwing perhaps ???
Also some cancellations already, ie TFS on Sundays.

[Tflyer]

TUI
Some of the flights on sale for summer 2019 are classed as TUI flights operated by another carrier. Sunwing perhaps ???
Also some cancellations already, ie TFS on Sundays.

I think the Thursday DLM & Friday CFU is planned to be operated by Sunwing on a W pattern from ABZ. Not sure about anything else.

[Severn]

Currently the Monday PMI, Thursday DLM, Friday CFU, Saturday PMI and Sunday AGP are all served using a ABZ based aircraft operating a W-patterm into NCL. All other flights use the 3x based NCL aircraft.

In comparison to August 2018, 2019 will see the loss of DBV, SKG, 1 of 3x TFS and 1 of 3x DLM.
Additions are 2x extra PMI (making 5x per week), 1x extra NAP (making 3x per week), 1x extra CFU (making 3x per week) and a new route to Enfidha,

[fl dutchman]

TUI, The two remaining TFS flights on Tue and Fri are showing TUI flights operated by another carrier.Timings are of a based aircraft !

[LiamNCL]

TUI, The two remaining TFS flights on Tue and Fri are showing TUI flights operated by another carrier.Timings are of a based aircraft !

other airline is Thomas Cook on the TUI website

[HH6702]

Maybe TUI will base a 4th aircraft

[inOban]

At EDI both TUI and TCX use Easyjet for some destinations.

[fl dutchman]

TUI Re the TFS flight in my earlier post Just to clarify. The TUI booking system gives a choice on Tuesdays and also Fridays of Either a TCX flight to TFS or a TUI flight operated by another carrier.
There are higher suplements for the TCX flight as opposed to the TUI flight operated by another carrier. Timings are different for the TCX flight and the TUI operated by another carrier.
TUI are using Easyjet for the Faro flight in 2019.

Hope that makes sense.

[Matt4]

Looks like someone has been messing with Wiki saying that AA will be starting a seasonal ORD route from 04 May 19

[VickersVicount]

messing indeed.... 🙄

[Jamesair]

It shows on the Wiki pages for both NCL and ORD

[SWBKCB]

It shows on the Wiki pages for both NCL and ORD

Slackers haven't updated the AA wiki :ok:

[HH6702]

Rumours were another route to go on sale by end of month ??

i did hear airport was in talks with airlines for a route to USA

may make sence to try somewhere else than EWR/JFK etc

time will tell maybe some truth in it but it will be a shock if it did happen

[Jamesair]

Well, well, well....changes on Wiki......AA Ord has now disappeared replaced with United resuming service to EWR on 2nd June 2019

[HH6702]

Ha ha ha
i just can't see it happening TBH

airport timetables are rubbish not info at all

[bigchrisfgb]

Looks like someone has been messing with Wiki saying that AA will be starting a seasonal ORD route from 04 May 19A few years ago we had someone on this thread who used to do that with the Wiki and then highlight it on here claiming it to be true. They did it before the New York route arrived a few years ago.
If NCL was to gain a USA route then I would imagine Las Vegas and possibly Orlando would arrive before New York was attempted again. Apparently the demand for Las Vegas from the region is high (and was one the airport bosses were looking at), and I see more and more people going to Disney World and other Orlando Theme Parks, so that could also be a possibility as well.
I can’t see the demand for Chicago from Newcastle or vica versus being high, though I guess Chicago would be for USA and Canadian connections.
I certainly can’t see it though and like before, it’s got to be seen as just a wiki troll.

[LiamNCL]

Chicago bit of a strange one to troll with . Be nice to see the airport announce anything never mind a transatlantic.

[nighthawk117]

Chicago bit of a strange one to troll with . Be nice to see the airport announce anything never mind a transatlantic.

Chicago is a big hub for both American and United, so its always possible flights could be added to there. EWR/JFK are both pretty full, with slots difficult to come by. Both United and American have both been switching flights away from New York out of EDI, changing to IAD and PHL respectively. If a route is heavily dependent on transfers, then the airlines seem to prefer to avoid New York at the moment.

Never say never, however I'd still have thought if an American carrier was to launch flights to Newcastle, it would be from New York first.

[Jamesair]

Oh well....United to EWR has now vanished from Wiki

[Beatts]

Paired with the new "Aviation Development Executive" whos worked with the likes of Qatar, hopefully we see something new soon!

[GrahamK]

Now showing 2 x daily CityJet RJ85, 1 x daily mainline A318

[HH6702]

There is a lot more to the USA than just New York
from what I have heard New York is a nightmare as a connection point.

New York is expensive compared to other USA cites

as we always say never say never

good to see AF using A318 but it's a few months away yet

[tigertanaka]

There is a lot more to the USA than just New York
from what I have heard New York is a nightmare as a connection point.

New York is expensive compared to other USA cites

as we always say never say never

good to see AF using A318 but it's a few months away yet



ORD with AA would probably have made a lot more sense than JFK and UA as there would have been a ready supply of OneWorld loyalists out of NCL (there will be hardly any Star Alliance flyers in the North East) and ORD is a far better hub to transit to US destinations. But then again AA and BA are in revenue share agreement over the North Atlantic so it may not have made sense to them.

Probably irrelevant in the short to medium term, especially with the weakness of the pound.

[HH6702]

With cut backs to U.K. And Europe from New York where are these aircraft flying to now or is the fleet being reduced or aircraft going to another USA airport

could the 757 fly to ord from ncl

be nice to see AA 787's however think the aircraft would be too big

correct in saying BA/AA may have a better chance and customers travelling from local airport rather than through LHR but also the service needs to be year round not summer only

with EI only once daily it now makes ncl not good for connections maybe another reason for the cut back

[Jamesair]

The CAA statistics for October are now available......Emirates new Dubai service from EDI got off to a good start resulting in the GLA figure being down 14% and NCL down 5%, looks like GLA took the biggest hit as passengers transferred to the EDI flight. All Spanish destinations fell with the exception of Fuerteventura with Greece and mainly Turkey the benificiaries.

Domestic.....LHR had a big 7% increase to 46,303 pax and Exeter continues to rise with a 5% increase to 4,417....Bristol up 20% to 16,853 and Belfast up 6% to 23,190....Jersey was popular in October at 2,984 up 34%

CAA stats show a total of 506,797 pax up 1.6%

[MATELO]

If NCL was to gain a USA route then I would imagine Las Vegas and possibly Orlando would arrive before New York was attempted again. Apparently the demand for Las Vegas from the region is high (and was one the airport bosses were looking at), and I see more and more people going to Disney World and other Orlando Theme Parks, so that could also be a possibility as well.


I work with a lad who goes to Vegas at least a couple of times a year from NCL. They find the cheapest route they can get for their dates. I agree a weekly flight may drum up enough interest but It would have to come at a real competitive price.

[10 DME ARC]

And a different subject during the reduction in Emirates for Dubai's runway closure. Emirates are trying to route me to LHR then LCY and Flybe/Eastern to NCL from LCY!!?? Really!! Sorry but as a Skywards Gold member I am off to KLM! Emirates have cut a lot of flights this time around??

[sixchannel]

The label "EXTREME Hard landing" it was not!! For a start the aircraft left on time back to DXB! Difficult landed leading to a go-around it was! A lot of heavy late go-arounds result in a touch and go.

Its just YT 'clickbait'. Everything on there is the Worst, the Best, the most Extreme of absolutely anything. And. AFAICS they are obsessed with plane crashes even to the extent of creating fake ones in their computer flight sim programs. Sick minds?
Bring on Article 13!

[ash666]

People have been complaining for a long time at being charged to drop off passengers.
The airport's answer? Double the price.
Brilliant, NCL, why can't you just ever get it right?

[CroqueMonsieur]

People have been complaining for a long time at being charged to drop off passengers.
The airport's answer? Double the price.
Brilliant, NCL, why can't you just ever get it right?

Free parking remains available and at £2 it's less than many other UK airports. Ten minutes will cost you 50% more at Edinburgh or Leeds or double that at Manchester. Nobody forces anyone to park in the kiss and fly car parks. If people are happy to pay then that's their choice. The airport is a business.

If you don't like the service that the airport provides (or any business for that matter) then you're welcome to find an alternative. Given that you don't say a single positive thing about the place and always have something to whine about perhaps Teesside, Leeds, Manchester or Edinburgh would better serve your needs?

The airport has won several commendations for its service and popularity with customers over recent times and have invested in numerous improvements yet you always have something to whinge about.

[ash666]

"yet you always have something to whinge about."
Maybe it's because it is deserved.

I have given praise when it deserved as well but, of course, you choose not to see or remember those things, along the lines of, "an inconvenient truth".

How many times have you seen people drop off in the short stay car park? I can't say I've seen anyone and the taxis certainly don't do it.

As you say, there is competition and how do you know all those many people living in between don't choose NCL but another one?

The idea when running a business is not to see others doing something (ie charging for dropping off) and then just doing the same. They should be doing things to make the inbetweeners choose NCL.

[SWBKCB]

I have given praise when it deserved as well but, of course, you choose not to see or remember those things, along the lines of, "an inconvenient truth". .

Brilliant, NCL, why can't you just ever get it right?

Make your mind up!!

[sixchannel]

"How many times have you seen people drop off in the short stay car park? I can't say I've seen anyone and the taxis certainly don't do it."
.

Same at BHX. As a regular flyer (once upon a time for Business, now purely for Pleasure) I would fire our current taxi company of choice if they even attempted to drop us off at the Drop Off Car Park, rather than the Terminal.

[HH6702]

People have been complaining for a long time at being charged to drop off passengers.
The airport's answer? Double the price.
Brilliant, NCL, why can't you just ever get it right?


short stay car park 2 (medium stay ) is free for 15 minutes thats what i use its a few minutes walk

[ash666]

short stay car park 2 (medium stay ) is free for 15 minutes thats what i use its a few minutes walk

That would be very much in the minority, though.

[Chesty Morgan]

The choice is still there for everyone.

Either pay a few quid and be lazy or walk a couple of hundred yards....or even wait for the bus if you’re tight and lazy.

[SWBKCB]

The idea when running a business is not to see others doing something (ie charging for dropping off) and then just doing the same. They should be doing things to make the inbetweeners choose NCL.

Such as? How should the airport make money in a way that people wouldn't complain about?

[ash666]

Such as? How should the airport make money in a way that people wouldn't complain about?

That's for the directors to figure out.

[DanAir89]

Personally I’m surprised there hasn’t been a nasty accident around the airport with people parking anywhere to avoid the charges. The lay-by on the dual carriage way from Kingston park always worries me if there aren’t cars sticking out at one end there’s always someone pulling slowly into fast traffic. Good job there’s so few flights this winter it’s bit quieter when I’m driving home in the dark....

[ash666]

From the Chronicle.
It's not just me!!!
"The decision to raise the charge to £2 for a 10 minute stay in the Express car park has caused a backlash on social media..."

[CroqueMonsieur]

The airport takes action against those too lazy to find the free parking. People take their chances i admit but the airport website and signage make the protocol crystal clear. If people choose to ignore that then that's at their discretion and they will be responsible for any accident occurring not the airport who are enforcing legally allowed powers on their private property. Don't like it then don't do it

[DanAir89]

The airport takes action against those too lazy to find the free parking. People take their chances i admit but the airport website and signage make the protocol crystal clear. If people choose to ignore that then that's at their discretion and they will be responsible for any accident occurring not the airport who are enforcing legally allowed powers on their private property. Don't like it then don't do it
sound very knowledgable of the policy but in the event of an accident the headlines will be about the extortionate parking prices “driving” people to park elsewhere - the website disclaimer won’t help reputationslly.

[LiamNCL]

Its £2 i dont know why this causes so much uproar for surely people arent this tight.

[SWBKCB]

Its £2 i dont know why this causes so much uproar for surely people arent this tight.

Couldn't agree more. :ok:

[MATELO]

Its £2 i dont know why this causes so much uproar for surely people arent this tight.

or they cant be bothered to read...

https://www.newcastleairport.com/car-parking/medium-stay-parking/

[ash666]

£22.50 a day *shock horror smiley thingy*

The parking at NCL is vast these days. Do they earn more from the parking than the plane business?

[tigertanaka]

£22.50 a day *shock horror smiley thingy*

The parking at NCL is vast these days. Do they earn more from the parking than the plane business?

I think that's the reality of regional airports these days. As airlines pay so little to land there, airports become increasingly reliant on retail and parking.

[CroqueMonsieur]

£22.50 a day *shock horror smiley thingy*

The parking at NCL is vast these days. Do they earn more from the parking than the plane business?

If you turn up on the day it is and you forget to mention that the price falls dramatically after day two and that pre booking can't save a vast amount. It's fairly standard at all UK airports but don't let that stop you whining about NCL. What else would you post about?

Remember that you are free to choose a different airport. Leeds will cost you £31 and Edinburgh £40 if you turn up a and £60 if you want to be in front of the terminal and £40 a Manchester. Teesside aerodrome has parking at £23 for the first 24 hours.

[10 DME ARC]

People complain about these charges it's only driven by the low cost airline industry! Airports don't earn anything direct from low cost airlines. They have to earn a crust and don't forget 49% of the profits go back to the local councils!!
The short stay car park is a steal I just paid £88 for 11 days parking just yards from the front of terminal! Brilliant!!

[ash666]

If you turn up on the day it is and you forget to mention that the price falls dramatically after day two and that pre booking can't save a vast amount. It's fairly standard at all UK airports but don't let that stop you whining about NCL. What else would you post about?

Remember that you are free to choose a different airport. Leeds will cost you £31 and Edinburgh £40 if you turn up a and £60 if you want to be in front of the terminal and £40 a Manchester. Teesside aerodrome has parking at £23 for the first 24 hours.

Do you work for the airport?

Maybe you should shorten your name to just Croque as you seem pretty grumpy.

I think the reason you don't like my posts is because I tell things the way passengers see them and you don't want to read that.
I am not on my own. When I am with the unfortunates waiting for ages at the baggage belts I hear an awful lot of complaints about NCL.
Don't blame the messenger.

[CroqueMonsieur]

You're whinging about car parking charges despite NCL having the cheapest compared to its competitors. Yesterday it was the kiss and fly charges. Again NCL was the cheapest. What will you whine about next? The price of a croque monsieur at Ritazza or a stottie at the airport Greggs?

No I don't work for the airport but I use it regularly. Never any complaints. Security is fast and friendly, the departure area is a pleasant enough place to be and none of the gates are a huge walk away. The border can be a pain when you're the last one off of the Emirates but that's a UK Border Force issue and the airport have invested in arrivals area. Baggage never a problem for me.

It also has a great range of destinations given its locality and size.

[VentureGo]

Today's Emirates EK36 outbound to DXB has aborted take off and returned to stand

[HH6702]

And took off just over hour late

[LiamNCL]

Something of note is Thomas Cooks TFS-NCL MT1373 today will be operated by Condors D-ATCD.

[Asturias56]

You're whinging about car parking charges despite NCL having the cheapest compared to its competitors. Yesterday it was the kiss and fly charges. Again NCL was the cheapest. What will you whine about next? The price of a croque monsieur at Ritazza or a stottie at the airport Greggs?

No I don't work for the airport but I use it regularly. Never any complaints. Security is fast and friendly, the departure area is a pleasant enough place to be and none of the gates are a huge walk away. The border can be a pain when you're the last one off of the Emirates but that's a UK Border Force issue and the airport have invested in arrivals area. Baggage never a problem for me.

It also has a great range of destinations given its locality and size.

There are a lot worse airports in the UK than NCL - try EDI or Luton for example

[CroqueMonsieur]

There are a lot worse airports in the UK than NCL - try EDI or Luton for example

I totally agree. All in all I think NCL is a pretty good airport.

[tigertanaka]

I totally agree. All in all I think NCL is a pretty good airport.

Me too. Alternatives in the North of England:

MME: Great if you want to go to Amsterdam or Aberdeen
LBA: Fog, awful surface transport links, appalling layout, eye-wateringly expensive parking
DSA: Bucket & spade routes or Poland
MAN: Poor attitude of security staff, crazy terminal layout

NCL is not perfect, I would like an improved BA schedule, a LGW link and some more interesting weekend break destinations but the airport does a pretty good job.

[Asturias56]

went through Glasgow a week back and I was struck by how decrepit a lot of the terminal and the surrounding area was - and don't ask about Security......

[LiamNCL]

Glasgow Terminal looks more like a Morrisons than a Airport IMO

[Ph1l1pncl]

Me too. Alternatives in the North of England:

MME: Great if you want to go to Amsterdam or Aberdeen
LBA: Fog, awful surface transport links, appalling layout, eye-wateringly expensive parking
DSA: Bucket & spade routes or Poland
MAN: Poor attitude of security staff, crazy terminal layout

NCL is not perfect, I would like an improved BA schedule, a LGW link and some more interesting weekend break destinations but the airport does a pretty good job.

I’m afraid you won’t be getting an improved BA schedule, they have reduced the Newcastle flights again next summer. Down to 5 a day Mon-Fri, 3 on a Saturday and 4 on a Sunday. Though, Manchester and Aberdeen have also had cuts too.

[Asturias56]

Amazed it's still 5 a day.. I suppose its the business day trippers that keep up theservice

[SWBKCB]

Amazed it's still 5 a day.. I suppose its the business day trippers that keep up theservice

Pax numbers on LHR are up by 3% so far this year.

[Jamesair]

There is a change in aircraft types so that should keep the capacity up. A quick look in April shows 2 x A321, 2 x A320 and 1 x A319

[tigertanaka]

Amazed it's still 5 a day.. I suppose its the business day trippers that keep up theservice

I believe around 50% of pax the NCL-LHR route are connecting on elsewhere. Disappointing that NCL is down to 5 each weekday next summer as it was originally timetabled at 6 a day.

[LiamNCL]

First visit by a new type tomorrow, BA1324 08:45 is operated by BA's newest machine a Airbus A321 NEO G-NEOR

[ash666]

I was pleased to read this in Which? magazine about drunken passengers:

"The warning systems set up at Gatwick, Glasgow, Newcastle and other airports to warn staff and notify police of drunk passengers seems like a good start..."

[SWBKCB]

Menzies airport services deal gets provisional green light (https://www.insider.co.uk/news/menzies-aviation-shares-airline-services-13732307)

The deal takes Menzies (http://www.insider.co.uk/news/john-menzies-reports-83-drop-10989502) into four new UK airport locations - Liverpool, Newcastle, Birmingham and Exeter.

Thought it was just Swissport left at NCL?

[Beatts]

Airline Services what Menzies look to be taking only do De-icing, Internal presentation, exterior cleaning and dry cleaning at Newcastle.

[NorthEasterner]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Menzies were to bring in ground handling into NCL as currently Swissport has the monopoly across all airlines with the exception of Jet2 (above wing).

[HH6702]

GLA Confirmed as A380 X1 daily from April

that frees up a 777

Im expecting NCL will see something being announced by the end of 2019 if not before

[southside bobby]

Hopefully STN will be requiring a B77W next year...

[L1011effoh]

GLA Confirmed as A380 X1 daily from April

that frees up a 777

Im expecting NCL will see something being announced by the end of 2019 if not before

It does. But it goes back to 2 x 777 at the end of the summer season - and the original change to 380 at GLA was said to be to reduce the amount of movements at DXB during runway works.

[SWBKCB]

I'm expecting NCL will see something being announced by the end of 2019 if not before

Such as? It could be argued that EK expansion at GLA and EDI isn't to NCL's benefit.

[Jamesair]

Although NCL was down 5% it seems as if Glasgow took the biggest hit at 14% for the first full month of the EDI....EK route...next month should give a better picture of the effects on nearby airports. I do agree though that it won't help NCL's hope for additional EK flights.

[SWBKCB]

Housing giant Bellway is to build its new headquarters at a new business park being developed at Newcastle Airport, committing its future to the North East. The FTSE 250 firm will design and build the office which will be located at the south side of Newcastle International airport, close to the Callerton Parkway Metro Station. The development will be the anchor tenant at the Newcastle Airport Business Park, which aims to create around 2,000 jobs.

2,000-job business park at Newcastle Airport (https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/business/business-news/see-first-pictures-2000-job-15562043)

[CabinCrewe]

Although NCL was down 5% it seems as if Glasgow took the biggest hit at 14% for the first full month of the EDI....EK route...next month should give a better picture of the effects on nearby airports. I do agree though that it won't help NCL's hope for additional EK flights.
14% drop is probably well within that expected and quite low actually particularly as we were once told it was East Coasters who were bank rolling the GLA service.
Dont think NCL anywhere near a double daily upgrade esp with likely ongoing drops due to the low fares being offered on the EDI route.

[Ph1l1pncl]

If Newcastle were to go two daily I think it would be more likely with their 787s that they have ordered. Potentially will provide a small small increase over one 777 but nothing as drastic as two 777s.

[VickersVicount]

As expected NCL and GLA down in Nov on DXB. GLA down 15% which is probably not unreasonable and similar to last month. Interesting EDI carried a lot more last month, would have thought it would have been month on month increase

[Plane mad 134]

Maybe down because Edinburgh was 5x weekly?

[Jamesair]

Tui have cut the Salzburg flights on Saturdays, summer 19 from 2 to 1. Salzburg does not appear yet in the summer 20 programme.

[NCL-TRC]

Tui have cut the Salzburg flights on Saturdays, summer 19 from 2 to 1. Salzburg does not appear yet in the summer 20 programme.

if you remember though they were operated by a Flybe Dash 8 this summer so unless it’s an aircraft of similar size again in 2019 this isn’t really a cut.

[NorthEasterner]

if you remember though they were operated by a Flybe Dash 8 this summer so unless it’s an aircraft of similar size again in 2019 this isn’t really a cut.


The cut in frequency to SZG is still an increase in seats compared to summer 2018. Flybe Dash 8 was capped at 74 seats (out of 78) IIRC. TUI will be using their own 737-800 Summer 19 with 189 seats (no cap). So BE could only offer 148 seats between 2 flights.

NE

[HH6702]

Has anyone got a timetable for Summer 2019 since airport website is never getting updated

[Jamesair]

Changes to Summer 19 for Jet2.

Antalya up from 3 weekly to 4 weekly
Corfu up from 1 weekly to 2 weekly
Dalaman up from 4 weekly to 5 weekly
Prague...NO SERVICE in July and August

[HH6702]

Good news on Jet2
i wonder if there is any gaps and some news on new routes over the next few weeks

[Jamesair]

In the latest update to Thomas Cook summer 19 flights:-
Enfidha increased to 2 weekly from 1 weekly
Tenerife reduced from 3 weekly to 2 weekly

[Jamesair]

Flybe have updated the timetable from June to end October, frequencies are as follows:

Aberdeen.... 20 wkly
Cardiff..... 6 wkly
Exeter..... 7 wkly
London City.....11 wkly
Newquay....1 wkly
Southampton 18 wkly

[VentureGo]

Are passenger statistics available yet for November (C.A.A.)? - Although the Airport's Web page is accessible, it has been wiped of all information - This was a good reference page, with history going back to the year 2001:

https://www.newcastleairport.com/about-your-airport/airport-facts/passenger-statistics/

[Jamesair]

Yes..Nov. stats are out....all on CAA data pages

[HH6702]

AT LAST !!!!!

there is now a updated timetable until October 2019

airport website /timetables. To find it

[Jamesair]

I can't believe it....going to check it out now

[VentureGo]

Yes..Nov. stats are out....all on CAA data pages

Thanks,

C.A.A Figures show total passengers for November as 302,948 which is nearly a 1% (0.8%) reduction on November's Airport figure for last year as 305,444 pax (copied before airport page removed)

[HH6702]

Wonder how are dubai route did

[tigertanaka]

Wonder how are dubai route did

18,104 v 18,922 in November 2017 (-4%)

Note that

GLA was 32,490 v 38,057 in 2017 (-15%)
EDI was 11,084 v 0 in 2017
(also note that EDI had 7,835 pax on AUH in November 2017 but zero this year)


So NCL/EDI/GLA <> DXB had 61,678 v 56,979 last year (+8%)
But NCL/EDI/GLA <> UAE overall had 61,678 v 64,814 last year (-5%)

Also BHX-DXB was down 5% so the NCL figure looks pretty steady to me.

[HH6702]

Happy with those DXB figures let's hope it continues

[CabinCrewe]

I expect in time, even with QR (if they last) EK at EDI will outgrow NCL numbers, theyre already 60%+ total after only 2 months and less than daily.