Merged: Qantaslink Traineeship/Cadetship/General Employment

[Direct_to]

Hey guys,

a friend showed me this and I was suprised it wasn't already being disucussed on PPrune. The link is: http://qantaslink.bfound.net/detail.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=18

Has it been around for a while, or is this a new training program Qlink have introduced?

Experience

150 hours total flying time;
70 hours Pilot in Command;
Command Instrument Rating is desirable but not compulsory.My job as a meat bomber has higher requirements! I guess Qantas Cadets have been flying RPT ops with these type of hours for a while, but it seems as this is seperate to the Cadet program?

:ok:

[garman]

anybody else seen this.....

http://qantaslink.bfound.net/detail.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=18 (http://qantaslink.bfound.net/detail.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=18)

[Hasselhof]

Its gotta be new, it wasn't on their website when I checked it out less than a week ago.

[Incloud]

you've got to be kidding me.......

[ALLICEDUP]

How glad am I that I finished with these guys yesterday! What a joke, just offer mainline progression and they might get more GA applicants. I feel sorry for the guys that I went through with because they will be the junior captains of the near future.

Ohh well I wish them well, the line pilots, definately not management! :yuk:

[96julians]

Under the Traineeship scheme, pilots will undergo an airline-preparation training program (sponsored by QantasLink) prior to completing the Dash 8 Type Rating.So I'm guessing you don't have to pay for a type rating?

[White and Fluffy]

Well if Qantas (link) are offering bare CPL's jobs and REX are offering to give people CPL's does that signal the end of GA. If pilots don't need to go and build hours before betting a turboprop job then where will GA operators get pilots from?

My boss wants more hours then that to fly a C210 and a lot more hours then that to fly a C402/404 so how can he compete. Two options:

1. Get 500 Total Time and i'll give you a C210 job living in an NT community, until you have 1000tt and then you might fly the C402; or

2. See me when you have finished your CPL and I'll let you fly the Dash 8 and keep living with mum and dad in Melbourne or Sydney.

I know which one most pilots will take, not to mention the difference in money on offer from GA to Regionals. I think the writing is on the wall. The next season in NW WA will be an interesting one to see how many pilots turn up at the scenic operators.

Good luck to all with the jobs on offer.

W&F.

[newsensation]

what a waste of money, just pay the pilots a little more and offer career progression and they will have no problems.... anyway who will be left for these guys to fly with??? or is it another qantas training school for virgin???:ugh:

[garman]

I'm currently undertaking a bachelor of aviation with one year to go, and must admit this traineeship sounds interesting. Although I have a couple of questions:

How do fresh CPL holders cope with the transition from something like a c182 to a dash 8? (I know QANTAS Cadets have been doing it for years now!)

Comparing:
-Single pilot VFR with no pax to multi crew IFR with around 50 pax.
-Staying well clear of the flight levels at speeds around 2nm's a minute to operating in the flight levels at speeds of over 300kts!
-Flying in and out of places like Moorabbin or Bendigo compared to international aerodromes such as Sydney or Melbourne.
-Handling the systems of small piston aircraft then jumping to what I imagine to be a far more compex dash 8.

I know there are many more comparisons to be made, those were just a few i could think of on the spot.

Everytime I see one of these puppies fly overhead I would love to be up there on the flightdeck, but then it all seems pretty daunting at the same time!

Any comments, information or advice is much appreciated in advance!
Garman!

[Ideal Line]

You would think the training and type rating would cover all that garman.

[ALLICEDUP]

Garman,

The questions that you raise are valid, they are the more worrying aspects of schemes like this. I came from exactly where you are now by the sound of it, then worked in GA for a few years before Qantaslink, now off to another airline. They are good opportunities but the management and training has to be implemented and conducted properly or standards may be an issue.

[THE IRON MAIDEN]

there is another thread about the 500hrs Multi Command

Which also brings up the point.
after you get your CPL and get through the endorsement and training. Once you start as an F/O will you ever amount to anything more than an F/O

(Not taking anything away from F/Os as pilots. But Im sure we ALL want to get commands after our stint in the right seat)

Are these cadetships / Training schemes just a supply of F/Os if so; where do they get the commands from?

Those of us who go to GA and get the hours (and by the sound of it, if half went to cadetships and half went to GA. GA would STILL be so short of pilots that 500hrs Multi Command would take all of a year to get)

[Bang Bus]

Iron M,
I think you will find Qlink has a high capacity AOC and my understanding therefore is their captains do not need 500ME, just like the guys at mainline don't. (even VB have now changed to 500 multi with no mention of how many hours are command) As long as they have the requirements to hold an ATPL, and they meet the standard, I can't see why they couldn't be offered a command down the track.

[Mr. Hat]

Remember the days when you'd kill for a job sweeping a hangar so you'd get a look-in at a few hours on a 182 or even something real fast like a bonanza or 210?

Long gone.

There are a few GA operators that I recall invincible now probably not feeling quite so invincible anymore (he he he he :{:}).

[Hasselhof]

There are a few GA operators that I recall invincible now probably not feeling quite so invincible anymore (he he he he )

Amen to that :}

Would like some more info than the few details on the QLink website. It mentions that the "airline preparation training program" will be sponsored by QantasLink and one can assume that this will come at some kind of cost to the employee, whether that be in bonded service and if so how much are going to be pretty important details for most applicants.

[Mr. Hat]

Get the 500 ME CMD Hassel don't be lured. Sacrifice one year and the world is your oyster mate.

Smell the roses on the way to.

[KRUSTY 34]

Exactly.

Get out in the real world, get the experience and move on to some solid multi command. Sure there are risks, both financial and even personnel. But we've all done it, and in much tougher times than now.

Every one of these "Cadet" schemes (with the exception of QF Mainline) will probably fall flat on their collective asses! They have been set up with the intention of making money. The problem is that the only solution will involve a substantial monetary investment by the operators. Something they appear to be pathologically opposed to!

With their heads buried so far up where the Sun don't shine, it will be a spectacular revelation for them when it all turns to crap!

[bullamakanka]

What an bizzare concept this traineship is. SO SO SO SO many highly experienced FO's have walked out the door over the last 12 months at QF link its incredible. Guys with heaps of time on type that would make great captains. They know the network, and are good people.

The company has done nothing at all to give them a reason to stay at QF link or the oppertunity to go to main line. Now they are offering guys with a CPL a job????

Surely some one in management is going to have to answer for this. This is a classic case study in poor human resource planning. Who is responsible and what are the implications for the safety of the operation and the future of the operation?

[Dragun]

Just imagine one day in the near future, a 150 hour CPL holder is in the right seat and (God forbid) the captain becomes incapacitated...

Suddenly, this guy/girl is in command of a 20T turbo prop with fifty passengers and two FA's on board, barrelling into Sydney in weather like we've had in the last few days. With all the decisions to be made, having never been in command of anything bigger than a light single.

Not a pretty picture

[Mr. Hat]

Never a truer word said KRUSTY.

I understand it would be awfully tempting for newbies but once you get that time up in ga you are a free agent and can put your money on bigger machines.

GA is a tough world but it teaches you alot about flying and yourself. Well worth it. And these days its a matter of 12-18 months and your done.

(if you can get a QF mainline cadetship disregard all of the above - that one is the exception to the rule)

[puff]

Dragun - completely agree but as others have pointed out in different threads in the UK people with those kinds of hours are in 737s and A320s.

Can kind of see management of airlines thought processes when airlines one day set a high mins and people say 'mins are too high', lower the mins and people say 'they are too low'. At what point are they 'just right', and who sets that point?

With good training it seems these sort of processes work out ok in Europe.

[Icarus53]

Been trying to figure out why QL is bothering with this. They are set to get a supply of cadets through the mainline scheme for the foreseeable future (a program which is growing substantially beyond it's traditional capacity).

This program seems to be in direct competition with QF and Rex programs - why bother with it???

[Capt Mo]

Hmm this is all quite interesting...

If I read the information correctly, I believe this Qantas Link program includes that new "multi crew licence" that CASA have been talking about for a while. My understanding of this licence is that it removes the need for those obtaining the licence to go into GA and instead straight into the right hand seat in an airline with the ability to obtain a command within a reasonable time frame.

I believe that some schools are already looking into this licence already, and my question is - how will this new licence affect the job prospects for those currently working in GA? will airlines prefer candidates with a "multi-crew" licence over a CPL with thousands of hours of experience?

I dont know alot about this multi crew licence stuff - so if anyone is able to shed some light on it I would love to know some more.

Cheers

Mo :ok:

[alexthepilot]

Capt Mo. are you getting confused with multi crew training, as stated on the QF traineeship site participants will undergo multi-crew and airline preperation that will last 2 or so ish months.

[Capt Mo]

Probably - I have been up all day and I think Im about ready to fall asleep any minute!

Im not quite sure if the two are related - probably not. However, the multi crew licence itself does raise some interesting questions, and the outcome is pretty much the same as the Rex and Qlink programs (graduates jumping straight into the RH seat of an airliner).

I realise that a thread on the topic of multi crew licences was done months ago - and I dont want to drift away from the original post, so I might leave it here and hit the sack!

Sleepy Mo :zzz:

[BoundaryLayer]

The MPL is different to what QL are offering - the 2 month training appears more of a 'bridging course' from what I can gather. Quite different to the full CASA MPL (when it comes).

With the very low hours, they are widening the net immensely. It will be interesting to see how competitive it is to get a go at the P&S Assessment.

[Afterburner1]

Has anybody heard when the traineeship is meant to begin?

[pa28capt]

QANTASLINK PILOT TRAINEESHIP PROGRAM: This week QantasLink will announce a Traineeship program for new pilots.
The Traineeship program is designed for pilots who already have a basic Commercial Pilot`s Licence and who are capable of undergoing additional training. This additional training (duration approx 2
mths) would be undertaken by successful applicants in the form of a Traineeship. Upon successful completion of the training the Trainees would be eligible to join QantasLink as First Officers.
Applicants would have the following qualifications and experience:
􀁛 Commercial Pilot Licence preferably with ATPL (theory);
􀁛 Preferably minimum 100 hrs Pilot in Command;
􀁛 Higher School Certificate with passes in Maths and English;
􀁛 Multi-engine Command Instrument Rating (desirable, but not essential);
􀁛 Bachelor degree (desirable, but not essential).
For more information about this exciting opportunity with QantasLink and to register your interest go to qantaslink.bfound.net and follow the links to the Traineeship program.

[Hasselhof]

This is the third thread, its already merged in D&G Questions

[Cypher]

In today's day and age, where everybody wants everything, now, do you really think people are going to put themselves through G.A? Flying in crap wx, in crap planes for crap pay?

Most youngins these days can't grasp the concept of a delayed payoff....

Not when you can have it now, and fly around in a nice shiny Q400....

[tail wheel]

Please ..... no more new threads on this subject.......

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Tail Wheel

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

I hold very dear every lesson that I've learnt out bush (where I still reside and fly) but I'm bloody sick and tired of living in a boomtown where every mine employee, nurse, teacher, copper, dole bludger and members of every other profession is raking in the dough whilst I fly them around all day to drive home in a car I cannot afford to my lovely family in my ****e house, on a ****e street in a ****e part of town to eat whatever we can afford that week.


I’ve got a great boss but I know that he can’t pay me much more without raising prices. I digress:


Don’t try to tell me that McDonalds in Karratha (who pay their burger flippers $60k/p.a) charge the same price for a Big Mac as in Perth. What I’m getting at is that in these boom towns everything has increased (at a rate far greater than the national CPI) from petrol prices to food prices as have most wages… bar the pilots’. There may be some growing pains but operators would be wise to buckle down and prepare to pay their pilots more (of course, this may mean the pilots will have to expect to do more work as well).

Sorry, I’m not jaded, I do love my job but I just don’t get enough money for doing it and my lovely family are the ones I feel bad for. We will be taking the first good offer that comes our way whether it be left seat or right (got 1000+ TT and very little MEC).

FRQ CB

[DHC8 Driver]

Air Niugini have been doing it for years. There is no problem with cadets in the right hand seat of Dash 8's. Straight out of flying school and into the Dash 8 simulator. You then do 500 hours of line training with a safety FO in the jump seat and then you're checked to line. This system works fine.

Not a great deal of fun for the safety FO's however. And then there is the problem of the new FO's not having sweet FA command time and so not being able to progress to the left thand seat.

Maybe they could do ICUS from the right hand seat? Don't laugh, it is happening!

[Aviator500]

Is it correct that they once again want HSC Maths and English? I thought that this requirement had been dropped by Qantas if you have a degree?

[Icarus53]

I thought that this requirement had been dropped by Qantas if you have a degree?

I think you'll find the requirement is waived if you have university credits in applicable maths/physics/english subjects.

I'm afraid my Masters in Macrame (specialising in effects of the pasta shortage during the renaissance) didn't quite cut it!:}

[mr.tos]

Its amazing that to apply for direct entry FO at QL you only need a HSC. But with this traineeship you need maths and english! Work that out...?

Is it correct that they once again want HSC Maths and English? I thought that this requirement had been dropped by Qantas if you have a degree?
For Qantas mainline it says passes in HSC Maths and English or a fully completed bachelors degree of any discipline. So yes Icarus53 your masters degree in Macrame is reputable.

[topend3]

whilst this may be more attractive than a GA path, what is the starting salary? I would be surprised if it is much more than 50k which isnt a lot...anyone have any idea?

[Icarus53]

If they're contracted under the existing EBA - a smudge over 51k to start.

Question is will they employ the same way normal recruits come in, or will they be on a "training salary" (EBA sets this at 43k) for a while???

Still a pretty good deal - if you can get someone else to pay for your IR, you're already a head a decent wad of cash!!!

[Zap Brannigan]

Any idea what the ROS is?

[oneday_soon]

My biggest worry with this is the Terms and Conditions. I have spoken to Qantaslink (Eastern Guys) before, and they got in as full blown F/O's with 1000's of hours and to say the least they were worked pretty hard from my understanding and the pay wasn't great.

Sounds great, just a bit worried if management will take advantage of these new pilots.

[pa28capt]

5 years apparently for those starting with no experience, which hasn't been announced yet.

More good business for GFS which has been announced as the approved training organisation

[Hasselhof]

It says pretty clearly in the Important Information section of the QantasLink Pilot Trainee section of the bfound website that "A full breakdown of remuneration and benefits for employees of Sunstate Airlines is detailed in the Sunstate Airlines (Qld) Pty Limited Pilots Enterprise Agreement (as current)." and also "A full breakdown of remuneration and benefits for employees of Eastern Australia Airlines is detailed in the Eastern Australia Airlines Pty Limited Pilots Enterprise Agreement (as current)."

I'm pretty sure that equates to about $51000 base for a 1st year FO on the 100/200/300 for sunnies at least (found a copy online earlier today but can't seem to find the link now).

If anyone finds out what the bonding conditions might be though I'd love to hear it

[Dragun]

just a bit worried if management will take advantage of these new pilots

They can't treat you any better or worse than any of the other pilot's under the same EBA. Remuneration and conditions will be the same. The only difference will be a ROSO which to my understanding is five years in this case.

A few years ago, five years was peanuts - these days, a little longer considering you could be in another airline within two to three depending on how hard you work in GA. For a brand new starter however, I think it's a fantastic opportunity. Not that I agree with it, but for a first job with everything paid for, it's definitely worth a shot.

[mos33y]

"Stage Three: One day of assessment, comprising of a Simulator Flight Assessment (B767 or similar),"

what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.

They obviously don't expect you to know 767 systems/performance, so what could be assessed here? Hand/eye co-ords, initial reactions, engine failures?

[alexthepilot]

ye i was curious about that too, maybe they just want to see if u can fly an ILS or an approach it obviously can't be to same standard as an F/O, can anyone shed some light?

[Icarus53]

Based on the fact that some (most???) applicants won't hold a CIR, I would expect the sim ride will just focus on basic instrument flying. Takeoff, landing, turns in the climb, descent and level flight etc.

Certainly would not expect there to be any abnormal procedures.

[HappyBandit]

Anyone in the know, know when they are looking at staging applicants through?

[Sue Ridgepipe]

what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.

I wouldn't be too worried about that, I think the 767 sim is easier to fly than the Dash 8 sim (IMHO).

[training wheels]

"Stage Three: One day of assessment, comprising of a Simulator Flight Assessment (B767 or similar),"

what sort of standards are they looking for in stage 3 when asked to fly the 767 sim? sounds a little dawnting for fresh CPL holders.

Would it be worth purchasing this 767 add-on (http://www.pcaviator.com/shop/viewAProduct.php?pid=590) for FlightSim to get to know the speeds etc? I hear the flight model for this add-on is quite realistic. And for those with MECIR, would they expect you to shoot an instrument approach? Some of my mates now flying with QF were asked to do the ML 16 twin locator approach. Is that standard?

[mos33y]

Any idea on how many applicants they are looking for? If they are recruiting for eastern and sunstate than I'd say the number would be sunstantial.

[boardpig]

If you can get your hands on the levelD 767 add on for FS that will do nicely. (IMHO) Flying the 767 under normal conds is not too difficult even of you dont have ME time. Just get used to the glass HSI display and it should be fine. It 'd be amusing if they let you set the speed hold and alt settings on the AP, then you could do your circut by twiddling the knobs :eek: Stick the ILS on Nav1 and capture heheh that would be funny.;)

Just realised your link is to the Level D add on.:ugh:

[1224]

So is this a good thing or not? It looks tempting. Surely for fresh cpls it would be ok. But what about someone with around 1000hrs, who meets all the FO requirements except Multi. Any good?
I sent QFLink a email for all the cons on this, no reply.

Surely they must have some massive bond, return of service or decreased pay etc, else they would just lower their mins for the normal FO position. Anybody have any info that’s not off the QFLink bfound website?

[Bort Simpson]

I'd say on balance this trainee program is a good thing. It show that the management there realises that they have to do something more than justa cadet program. For new CPLs, this would have to be the preferred (initial) career path by far. It is positive for QL cause they will take the larger part of the newbies for themselves. It can't be too good for GA operators in the back of beyond though. Nor is it so great for the flying schools that relied on new CPLs wanting an instructor rating cause that was their best option to build initial hours.

If QL tailor their training to take into account the low-time applicants, then should be ok for the regional travelling public too.. me hopes!

I think REX have taken a step in the right direction but in comparison, they need to pull finger out ASAP.

Bort.

[HappyBandit]

Anyone in the know have any info on when QL will start contacting applicants? Maybe they're still waiting on ppl to resubmit for yet the 3rd time for applications.

[Aviator500]

I was thinking the same. Mind you they took ages over the mainline Cadetship

[boardpig]

On the surface this seems like a good thing. For someone like me who has a wee bit of an education and a fair few flying hours it seems an ideal path. I'd be interested of course in what kind of commitment they are looking for, T's and C's etc, not that good from what you read on here. The practice of taking lower time guys (200 - 500hr) with some smarts has been done in Europe for a while now. With decent line training etc they've been finding their way into the right seats of 320's and 73's . I think the days of 1000hr experience minimums are numbered (they have been in GA for a while now), it won't be long before other airlines here start to emulate the European system.

Good or a bad thing? Don't know but according to the below post, its all coming crashing down in anycase.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=311975

BP.

[mos33y]

Not sure if its true or not, but the starting salary in first year is apparently only 10000-20000. This is prob due to the fact they have to pay for your TR, MIR and 200h twin commnad.

Anyone in the know, please verify.

[Aviator500]

its 45k during training and then 52k for the first year

[mos33y]

"its 45k during training and then 52k for the first year"

Iam sooo glad he was wrong about that one:ok:

oh, and have they contacted anyone for second stage yet?

[Swanie]

Got a nice little email on Friday :D

"As part of our process QantasLink requires all candidates to undergo psychometric testing through our suppliers SHL. These tests are to be completed on-line and via personal access by COB Wednesday 13 February 2008."
(Completed that this afternoon)

Also in the email;
"Following the successful completion of the psychometric test, (fingers crossed) the next stage in the process is an interview and sim checks. It is envisaged that this will occur during the week commencing Monday 18 February 2008."

Anyone else get this email and done the psychometric test? I'd be interested to see how others found it?

[dreamjob]

Swanie, what experience (flying) do you have? If you don't mind me asking.

[training wheels]

"As part of our process QantasLink requires all candidates to undergo psychometric testing through our suppliers SHL. These tests are to be completed on-line and via personal access by COB Wednesday 13 February 2008."

You mean they asked you to do the psyhco tests at home? What's the point of that? :confused:

[Ideal Line]

I've done uni quizzes from home too. Nothing wrong with that. There is probably a strict time limit or something.

[Swanie]

Yes, tests done at home, and without charge despite having this as apart of their 'important information':confused:
http://qantaslink.bfound.net/det-contact.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=6 (http://qantaslink.bfound.net/det-contact.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=6)
"Stage Two: One day of assessment involving a Psychometric Assessment. The assessment is computer based and is conducted in a dedicated testing room by Qantas Airways on QantasLink's behalf. A non-refundable fee of A$195 is charged by Qantas for the Stage 2 assessment. Progression to Stage 3 is determined by the competitiveness of an application following completion of Stage 2. "


4 tests, in two different categories, one of which was timed;
Personality profiling (104 questions)
Work motivation (144 questions)
timed comprehension (19mins with 30 questions)
timed statistical analysis (25mins with 18 questions)

[training wheels]

Hmm.. interesting. How do they actually verify that it was the applicant doing the test and not some ring-in? I'm not suggesting that anyone would try and do this, but ..... :oh:

Oh, and were tests similar to those sample ones on the QF website?

[To infinity & beyond]

tests done at home, and without charge


So a couple of weeks ago I had to pay $195.00 and Travel to Sydney for the privilege!!!


What a Crock of Sh!T!!!

[Gear Down & Welded]

Parts 1 & 2 sound similar to that of the AsA ATC assessment.... by the same mob too! BTW the results are check by questions at the interview, so cheating would be picked up... i guess!

I feel sorry for those that cop the $195 if QF is moving all the testing to SHL. That's a crock... or maybe those joining as 'real' pilots do the real tests and the 'trainees' do the online stuff???

[boardpig]

Swanie, any chance you could give us an idea of what hrs, exp you had when applying?

BP.

[BoundaryLayer]

Didn't get that email - got one at the end of Jan asking me to update some details due to some changes to a couple of questions, which I didn't see for a week or so due to being away, so I probably missed out on the first round. For what its worth I have all the reqs. for DEFO except the ME PIC time.

[alexthepilot]

hey guys i got my application lodged, although im not 19 till july, how do u think they will treat me? u think i can still do testing before im 19??

[Ultralights]

I just completed the first stage Psychometric test with ASA, im pretty sure it was a different company than SHL.

[charlie uniform mike]

So what sort of pilots do you think Qlink are actually looking for? I know what there minimums are, but what are they planning on actually taking? Does someone with the minimum requirments actually have a chance?

[Hugh Jarse]

Charlie, they will interview anyone who meets the minimum requirements AND passes whatever the employment criteria are at the time. Nothing has changed over the past 10 years.

So if you meet the minimums AND are offered screening, I suggest you take it.

You might be pleasantly surprised.

Good luck!

Alex, same deal. If offered testing....Take it. You have to be 19 at time of employment sbut nothing precludes you from being tested and put on hold until your birthday.

[charlie uniform mike]

Thanks for the info Hugh :ok:

[Gear Down & Welded]

Ultralights,

Not the pysch testing in person the 'OPQ' done just before the interview is with SHL. Like you pretty sure the pysch testing wasn't SHL.

[HappyBandit]

Yay there was only the psych, motivation (both of which I thought would never end) and then verbal and numeric. Numeric was hard. Started off ok but by half way(point at which I ran out of time) there was lots of head scratching. Just wish I had more time. Who knows how they guage the competiveness of the test and how many they take on from it. Just see how we go.

[Hasselhof]

So to those guys getting through to stage 2 psych testing, could you give us a rough idea of your experience levels? Are you bare CPL's or are are experienced pilots but fall short of one of the stated direct entry F/O minimums? It might help gauge what it is that QLink are looking for.

[Will964]

Today I received two emails from SHL Solutions with login details for testing. However, I haven’t received any communications from Qantaslink saying I’m through to the next stage. Anybody else had this happen?

My experience is PIC multi turbine, not enough total hours for direct entry though!

[alexthepilot]

Thanks Hugh for info, fingers crossed for nice email

[Mr Cat]

Hi Guys,

Im interested in finding out some more information as to how others found the testing for psych... I didnt even get close to finishing the exams by the end of the time.

Im just hoping that this was purposly incorporated into the testing.....

Any others had the phone call yet about next week ???

[HappyBandit]

Hi Mr Cat

Yes I didn't finish either. It's designed like this for a reason. No call yet....didn't the email say will hear week starting 18th?? So don't worry too much just yet.

[Capt'n Stu]

Just completed the psych as well..... Surely no-one completed this.... not 100% accurately anyway.

Here's hoping we all get a call up!!! My email read that interviews would be conducted during the week of the 18th so I'm assuming those successful would get a call this week for a time next week.

Cool :cool:

[Area QNH is...]

Just out of interest,

What was the time frame between applying and receiving an email from QL for those that have done/will do the testing?

It's been just over a week for me and nothing as yet...

And for the record, like others posting I meet the Direct Entry requirements with the exception of the ME PIC.

Good luck to those applying!

QNH

[boardpig]

Just got an email with a link to the webiste. Lots of Q and A.

Due to the response to the QantasLink Trainee Program we have placed a number of frequently asked questions on our website. To better inform you about the program and the path ahead of you. To view these questions just click on the link below:

http://qantaslink.bfound.net/det-contact.aspx?jobid=58265&CoId=189&rq=11

BP

[ms747]

hey all, i got a call last night, saying they want me for an interview/sim ride on monday, even though they dont have the psych results yet! so im pretty happy, was supposed to get an email today with the rest of the details but it hasnt come as yet, guess they are pretty busy, but yeah started studying up like mad as not really sure what to expect from the interview/sim ride, anyone else had a call up??

[Ideal Line]

Thanks for the link boardpig.

Answers a lot of questions. A Four year bond doesn't sound too bad.

IL

[Mr Cat]

ms747, I also got that call for Monday's checks and interview..

can you check your pm's mate please

cheers

[21391401]

hi guys .... all of you who are getting nibbles, do you mind posting your experience levels .... TT & MECIR?

thx

[Mr Cat]

1000tt
degree
current MECIR
ATPL theory
substantial IF time

[Area QNH is...]

Mr Cat,

If you don't mind me asking...

1. How long did it take between applying and being invited to undertake the testing?
2. Are you currently in a flying position?

I'm just trying to guage how guys who have been out of the industry for a few years would fair in the competitive selection process

[boardpig]

I would imagine they would process the guys with the IR's and good total times first as they will take less time to be made "ready". Q-Link are under a bit of pressure to get the bodies in so it makes sense these guys will go first. The CPL non-IR guys etc (if indeed they intend to talk to any :suspect:) will probably be a bit further down the list as they have quoted 12 weeks readiness time.
Could be completely wrong of course, just my opinion. :ok:

[KRUSTY 34]

If that is the case boardpig, it's quite ironic.

It's these guys that will be the first to go when the major airlines come calling.

Hellooo... QLink management. Do we see a pattern here?

[charlie uniform mike]

That is a good point Krusty. See as i am still young i would be happy to stay at Qlink for 4 years. I would probably stay longer if i enjoyed it there. But i have no instrument rating and by the looks of it might not get a go. But i guess we will have to wait and see.

[dreamjob]

Yeah, but 3-4 years later... :}

[boardpig]

I guess it depends on how many guys they are after. From the looks of it, perhaps a fair number. Bear in mind the IR doesnt take too long to complete if you are doing it full time so this may not count against you.
If you are over the minimum critera, then you're in with a shout. If not this time, won't be long until the next one.:ok:

BP

[tcross]

I have probably missed something, I am interested in this in a years time once i should have my CPL, MECIR and ATPL's. the thing i have come across inthe FAQ's is that it states

4. How much does it cost?

Between $20 000 and $40,000. This includes the cost of all classroom, simulator, flight training and accommodation. The cost of training will vary depending on qualifications and experience of the Pilot at the commencement of the Trainee program.

but on the first page it states.
QantasLink will pay the cost of this training and, depending on the qualifications of the applicant.

Does anyone know the reason for this and if there is a cost involved or is it fronted in that bond?

[averagepilot]

tcross, keep reading down, it goes on to say that QL will pay that as well as your accom. while traning

[triathlon]

tcross,

if you read the FAQ carefully, what QL are basically saying is that they will pay the training provider the cost to train you, you pay nothing, but if at the end of your training you are offered a job with QL and you leave before 4 years is up, you have to pay back some or all of the training costs.

[Will964]

Archangel7 - Nope....still waiting. When did you have to have your SHL assessments done by? I had to have mine done by the 18th, which makes me wonder if there is a Melbourne session to be held at a later date. Fingers crossed anyway!

[Mr Cat]

Area QNH is........

I dont have a whole lot of time right now mate so I will explain more later but for now, in response to your two questions.....

1. 5 days
2. No.



Sorry for keeping it short but I gotta get to work now.

[Capt'n Stu]

I had to have mine done by the 15th as well..... Which I did. I'm in Melb. No call yet.

TT1100 ME CIR

:confused: Fingers crossed

[Wilcome]

Has anyone been given a definite no yet?

[Mr Cat]

Guys relax !!!

QF Link Management didnt even recieve all the results untill late Friday. So I would suspect that we wont know untill Monday ot Tuesday at the earliest.........

["Littlebird"]

Would an applicant with a lapsed MECIR be treated as one with no rating at all?
I assume not, as getting current again is only a matter of a couple of flights.
Has anyone with no MECIR and ATPL theory been invited to testing?

"LB"

[Mr Cat]

LB

No. My MECIR is current. If your MECIR just needs renewing I would say it would be ok. If however it has expired, then effectively you dont have one. so I would say that would be a different story.

[alexthepilot]

hey guys just a question about the application form where it says 'do you have >250 hours TT' if you say 'no' to this is does it put you below the people who stated this? im curious as i have around 243 hours but probably have around 250 taking into account unlogged hours etc.....:rolleyes:

[Area QNH is...]

Littlebird,

I think you would be treated differently as you have held a rating in the past.
A couple of famil flights and flight test and you are back in action.
Consider that against those that have to undergo the full IFR training and possibly the IREX too.
As for your other question:

As other here have stated, it would appear that they are looking at those applicants that are close to direct entry requirements first, ie: all boxes ticked except total time or multi command.
As mentioned earlier, these guys will presumably check to line quicker.

Maybe the next round will focus on those with much less flight time, no IFR or ATPL theory etc.

Waiting to hear like everyone else

["Littlebird"]

Area QNH is... and Mr Cat - Thank you for your feedback. Hopefully they start working down the list sooner than later. All the best with your application.

LB.

[LP00]

anyone got the call yet for stage 3?

[npasque]

got the call today for next week sim checks.

700TT, MECIR, ATPLs

[HappyBandit]

It is in the FAQ section as to what the program would entail but can someone please elaborate further on the duration and the type of training eg. Sim on 767?, accomodation style etc....and from here what does the endorsement training involve in Sydney....again duration etc.

[B773ERNG]

just a quick question guys,
One of the requirements to obtain the ATPL is 1500TT of which 250hrs must be command time. If one got into to QLink trainee program with minimum of 70hrs command time outline on QLink website, how would one ever progress to acquire ATPL to command a Dash8 a few years later?

[UnderneathTheRadar]

B773 - The requirement for 'ATPLs' is generally accepted to mean having passed the subjects - not actually having the licence. In other parts of the world (i.e JAA land it's known as a Frozen ATPL (or fATPL).

archangel7 - see the multitude of threads on high capacity AOC holders abilities to bypass this requirement.

[dreamjob]

B773, yes you need 250hrs command to hold an ATPL. You will find that Qlink will "top" you up to 100hrs command. From there you can log 150hrs (max) ICUS to go toward the 250hrs required.

Hope this makes sense. Just check the regs regarding the requirements to hold an ATPL for more information. :)

[Mr Cat]

Hi Guys,

In reply, I did get the call for stage 3 next week, however for personal reasons I am putting it off for a month or so...

All the very best in your applications......

[HappyBandit]

If anyone has been accepted for the traineeship can you please PM have a few questions.

[Swanie]

Got the call on thursday:D The email I received states the use of a 74-3 sim as opposed to the 76?....

If anyone has completed the interview/sim please PM/post details

[Jeps]

I know its classed as a 'traineeship' and not a 'cadetship' but does this mean there will be no 'cadet like' seniority on offer? Therefore jsut being like a normal DE Pilot?

Jeps

[Ideal Line]

Good luck to all who have made it through to the interview/sim check stage.

Keep the rest of us updated on how it goes.

[Bort Simpson]

I know of two guys that have already recieved the 'happy call'.

Recruiting are not waisting any time when they know they have some goers. Both are MECIR, ATPLs and neither would have more than 350 TT.

They must have done alright in the sim and interviewed well.

Bort

[LP00]

Great to hear that some have got in. When do they start their training?

[To infinity & beyond]

Apparently, Monday 10th of March 2008 (ie less than 2 weeks) with GFS in Melbourne for 4 weeks then to Sydney for Dash 8 Training.

[HappyBandit]

Yeah but it could be more than 4 weeks in Melb. Was told could be longer...No guarantee of moving over to Syd for endorsement of course they need to be happy with ones progress.

[Will964]

I received a call for an interview and sim check for next Tuesday :D If anyone has some pointers for the interview and check ride, it’d be great to hear from you. Good also to hear people have been offered courses already. Goodluck all :ok:

[alexthepilot]

hey will congrats on gettin the call, could u tell me how many hours TT and whether u have MECIR and ATPL's just out of curiousity.

[Will964]

Hey Alex, I have 520hrs TT with around 250hrs PIC twin turbine, MECIR and fATPL.

[alexthepilot]

thanks will it seems most guys getting through like urself have >250 hours, i myself have around 245 hours therfore should do u think i answer 'yes' to the 'do u have >250hours TT' question or is that lying :}

[boardpig]

It would seem that they are working down the list with the most qualified going first (yes obvious I know!!).

Alex, why not go out and fly around for 5 hours, that way you can put >250 without stressing.

[alexthepilot]

hey boardpig thanks ye well i fired an email of to QL asking them this also, im starting my IR in month or so anyway so i duno i might just wait?

[BUSH PILOT]

Hi all, just looking at the above mentioned position, and was hoping to clarify, If you take a position with QFlink, does it effectively rule you out of the mainline for good? I know they aren't offering progression onto mainline, but could you leave, work somewhere else for a few years, and then try for Mainline?
Thanks

[HappyBandit]

Bush Pilot: They do offer prgression to mainline should you wish to transfer after working with QLink for at least 2 years. Not sure about the past but in today's climate they have an agreement now in place with mainline to make the transfer that bit smoother.

[BUSH PILOT]

Really:O, so they could actually be a good step towards the mainline? Is it just the senior pilots that they're stopping from moving on then:confused:

[Jeps]

C'mon Champ read the whole thing:) (I often have that problem too).

15. Can I later move into Qantas mainline?

QantasLink has an agreement with Qantas Airlines for progression into "Qantas mainline". As a guide, under this agreement pilots are required to be employed for a minimum period of 2 years with QantasLink prior to applying for a position on a heavy jet within Qantas Airlines.

[BUSH PILOT]

Oops, sorry, just found it then, my bad:O Anyone know how your chances would compare as opposed to the commercial cadet course? Just wondering whether I should even bother applying as I didn't make it past the skills/psych stage for the cadets. Thanks:ok:

[Chuck_YeagerBomb]

<B>15. Can I later move into Qantas mainline?

QantasLink has an agreement with Qantas Airlines for progression into "Qantas mainline". As a guide, under this agreement pilots are required to be employed for a minimum period of 2 years with QantasLink prior to applying for a position on a heavy jet within Qantas Airlines. </B>


I heard that this 'agreement' involved removing one part of the selection process (excluding interview) when it came to applying for mainline after two years, not making this agreement a 'free run' into mainline like many people falsely believe...
Can anyone in the know shed some light on this AGREEMENT?

[Gun_Knutt]

Got the call yesterday for Sim Ride end of March. 2200 hrs, 210 Twin, expired ME CIR, NZ and Aus ATPL's all expired... sheesh! Haven't flown for 4 years... here we goooo....:ok:

[garman]

I am curious, if you make it to the sim check and do not hold an IR, would you still be required to conduct an ILS approach?

[Swanie]

Is anyone going to provide details of their interview?:hmm:

[triathlon]

SWANIE.

Yes details will be provided of all interviews undergone. Read posts on page 7.

[mos33y]

Garman: they will not be calling ppl who don't have IR - not yet anyway. looks like they are getting guys with fATPL, IR with a little command i.e. more than 500tt.

this is my understanding of the situation so far... any1 in the know please advise.

To the ppl who have been called for interview: has any1 been called who have a degree but no fATPL. i.e. in the eyes of ql recruiters, can a degree be regarded as having the same 'weighing' as fATPL? surely a 3 year degree would be considered in higher regard...or is fATPL required simply to speed up command for the new dudes?

[triathlon]

mos33y

I would imagine your "degree" is not worth the paper it's written on buddy. How does a " degree" get you a licence to sit in the left hand seat.

ie. Airline Transport Pilot Licence. Your degree as a "VET" won't help you.

Do the subjects dude.

[boardpig]

Aviation is still one of those industries with people who think getting a degree is easy (and subsequently worthless!!). It's usually those that have never done it.
In most other "professional" careers a degree is regarded as a demonstration that you have commitment to stay the course and are smart enough to take the info on board and process it properly to a high standard. I would say then that your degree certainly "IS" worth the paper its written on for the majority of employers, don't let anyone tell you differently :ok: Someone said before "what do they want pilots!! or bloody academics!!" The smart employer would always want someone who is both, not just a bus driver.

There is no substitute for the ATPL's, get your head down, get into them and then you'll end up with a degree AND ATPLS!! That will certainly put you in good standing. Best of luck with it!!:)

[mos33y]

thank your the advice boardpig, what you sat does make sence. I have worked real hard up to this point, a few atpl subject will not be as difficult as some of the other stuff i'v had to do for uni.

Triathlon,as boardpig has pointedout, you obviously have not been through the diciplines of a degree (vet or otherwise) to realise the hard work, commitment and determination required, not to mention the vast pool of knowledge that opens up to you - including management styles and CRM, which are both DEFINATELY what a skipper is required to be porficient on!!

Also mate, you should read the job requirements you are applying for a little bit more carefully in the future. Try the bit where it says "Having a degree is preferred".

FYI - i have studied aviation not vet

[KRUSTY 34]

However not English grammar I presume!

[crank1000]

Tirathlon.

Do you ever have anything constructive to add or do you just rubbish people?

[triathlon]

A good mate of mine also starts 7th April in ML. He has 350tt, CIR, only went to year 10 with c's in english , maths. No degree. No atpl subjects.

Go figure. no " vet " degree.

[HappyBandit]

Ok I can accept no degree....but no ATPL's.....bullsh*t. Does say desirable but I know for a fact that they want you to have completed the ATPL's before entering the course. Do you know if he/she actually has been given the spot?

Anyone know how long they are doing this traineeship>?

[mos33y]

"However not English grammar I presume!"

huh?

TID EDIT

Play nice or not at all!

[triathlon]

If you read the minimum requirements CAREFULLY, you will see that ATPL subjects are preferred but not compulsory, no mention of having to be completed before course commencement. so there .

YOU KNOW FOR A FACT HEY?

[Dragun]

mos33y

I have an aviation degree and I taught the same aviation degree (both theory and flying) a few years later. I've also done charter and worked in a couple of airlines. I'm not the most experienced guy out there, nor do I pretend to be. You should do the same.

Your posts are an embarrassment for someone who is apparently educated - and especially for myself and others out there who most probably have the same degree as you (as well as experience), but don't think we're God's gift because of it. The fact you don't even understand what Krusty meant shows you have a long way to go in developing your mind. Learn to spell, learn to write and don't sit there spruking to the world how you think your degree will get you places because of some subjects you did. They will give you a starting to point, that's all. It's not a gold ticket to anywhere. Work hard, keep your head down and treat your degree as possible advantage under certain situations when applying for future jobs.

Also, swearing on a public forum is really just pathetic and asking to get banned. Good luck with that.

[KRUSTY 34]

Nicely said, and thanks Dragun.

I was wondering how, or in fact whether to respond as I thought it might have been a wind-up.

Hopefully the message has been received on more than one level.

[Icarus53]

Guys - for once can we ignore the wind up?

If we were to assume that this guy is for real, Dragun has done a perfectly adequate job of shutting him down.

Assuming (as I do) that this is a wind up, then anybody else who chimes in hasn't the "sence" to assess their own knee-jerk reactions before hitting the keys.

By way of getting back on topic - if you were to get a call without an IR, I suspect the flight/sim check would be conducted in similar fashion to the QF Level 2 Cadet program - ie. a flight test to CPL standard including basic IF and UA recovery. Of course that's just speculation, but I can't see much point in conducting the normal sim ride for someone who has not been trained as an instrument pilot. Perhaps they will conduct flight testing in a GA aircraft???

[triathlon]

To Dragun and KRUSTY34 thankyou for your replies to this mos33y.
It seems he or she is a PPL student, who as you said Dragun, thinks his or her degree is a ticket to mainstream, or at the very least a job.... mmm... I think not. Lots of hard yards to be done yet.

To mos33y.
I find your acid tongue to be offensive, disrespectful and unprofessional. I hope this arrogant attitude of yours does not follow you into the cockpit and reveal its ugly head as poor airmanship.

We live in times where our profession is a thankless one from the people who we make money for.

[boardpig]

I'd be very interested to learn if they had reached the part of the list of guys with no IR, or indeed if they intend to take ANY. Not for a while yet I would have thought, but if anyone has been hooked with no IR, be great to hear from you.
BP.

[Inverted7]

Gday Guys,

I just recieved the email for the sych and skills tests online. I have 300hrs TT MECIR and did not finish yr 12,, but am wondering from peoples experience so far is this the only skills tests we do or do they still hold them at qantas when you go for the interview?? Thanks

[double efato]

I am a 200 hr CPL with MECIR and half ATPL's done, and haven't received any notice yet, must be down to somewhere between inverted7 and myself. Did finish year 12 and tertiary quals too, its going off flying experience only I'd say.

[alexthepilot]

i got 250hours TT, 2 more atpls to go but no MECIR, still no reply. im guessing i wont hear anything till i get the MECIR unless anyone has been taken without it??:eek:

[npasque]

gee guys, stop fighting!!

sorrry i never replied but i have been somewhat preoccupied. I made it through the sim + interview round and as a result was offered a position in the program. That starts in melb march 10. I am not sure if i really want to reveal intimate details with regards to the interview though, that may not be seen as ethical and i dont want to compromise my position either! I will however say that the sim ride is pretty straight forward, just simple IF and the interview has some tough questions! Just for reference I have 700tt, MECIR and all ATPLs.

Good luck to you all!

[Inverted7]

Just as a matter of interest for anyone who has done sych and skills tests online, Did you sit many practice exams on the SHL website?? Cheers...

[npasque]

yep i did, they are helpful as they contain very similar questions. although the SHL ones are the same as the ones on the qantas website, and at least the qantas one has answers!

[Inverted7]

Sweet thanks Npasque will go check out the qantas q's... Cheers

[Lasiorhinus]

Archangel, as has been mentioned, the questions are very similar to the ones on the Qantas website.


Nothing about flying, at all.

[double efato]

Stupid question, what is the SHL web site?

[HappyBandit]

SHL are the mob that develop and administer the tests on QF's behalf. Check out their website.

[npasque]

yes i STRONGLY recommend reading the AIPs before you step into the interview room.

[Icarus53]

npasque:

First of all congratulations and good luck on your course.

Just to satisfy my own curiosity, why did you apply for this program? With your MECIR and ATPLs (and 700TT), you would qualify for immediate employment (well - once you have your type rating that is). What exactly are you going to be doing down there in Melbourne if you have all the required ratings?

Icarus

[Swanie]

See you in Melbourne NPA SQ:D



ARCH-ANGEL;

Trainee Program - Frequently Asked Questions
1. What does the Trainee Program consist of?

Depending on pilot qualifications the Trainee Program will consist of:


Instrument flying bridging course - 10 hours
Crew resource management course - 3 days
Multi crew course - 30 hours
Pilot in command flight time - "top up" to provide Trainees with a total of 100hrs in command
Initial issue Command Multi Engine Instrument Rating, and
ATPL subjects
No metion of topping up multi command.

[Altimeters]

Archangel,

It's not multi....they bring up the rest of the command in the 172.

[Lasiorhinus]

Sounds interesting - assuming there are that many people out there with CPLs who don't have 100 hours in command.

So are they structured flights, flown at the company's direction, on their schedule, to destinations of their choice, or does the pilot get free reign to go where they please until they get to their 100 hours?

[Altimeters]

The rest of the command time is brought up by the Trainee to go flying wherever he/she desires to get that 100 command. Remember in C172.

["Littlebird"]

Still no word... 490 hrs TT, MECIR, Aircraft Maintenance Trade, no fATPL's. Must put a lot of emphasis on having ATPL theory credits.

LB :)

[Lasiorhinus]

It appears the first round was only taking people who had CIR and all their ATPLs. Second round has started looking at people with CIR and some ATPLs. Might be a good idea, "Littlebird", to get started on the ATPLs, and get one or two out of the way quickly, remembering to update your resume along the way.

[Wicked shimmy]

Hmmm....I wonder where my post went?!? I was wondering if Swanie, who told us all he didn’t have 100 PIC, had an MECIR and ATPL subjects? It would be interesting to know if anyone who hasn’t got these has been offered a place on the course?

[KRUSTY 34]

"littlebird"

It's a bit of a no brainer! Without the ATPL, you'll be sitting in the right seat permanently.

Does anyone know the current time to command at QFlink?

[dreamjob]

As soon as you meet the requirements for ATPL and company requirements of 700hours and one year with QFlink I heard.

[Shadowfromthesky]

Hey guys, found out 14 people started the first round of the traineeship at GFS on monday. They were being assesed as to 'where they were up to in their flying' in GFS's old simulator. All with quite high TT.

[Wicked shimmy]

Press release and photo of first lot to start the traineeship can be found here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=314077&page=14

[Shadowfromthesky]

cheers 4 the link. any idea where they got that press release from? like what website?

["Littlebird"]

Lasiorhinus - thanks for the advice. I'm planning to kick off with the ATPL subjects soon :ok:

Krusty 34 - I know what you're saying, point taken. I believe when the 'window of opportunity' presents itself, just take it. First things first. Get the foot in the door first. My thoughts anyway... ;)

LB.

[Hugh Jarse]

Krusty, current requirements as Dreamjob wrote. Obviously it depends on how many "upgradeable" FO's you have ahead of you in seniority.

My answer is "less than 2 years". ;)

I would be completing ATPL's as a matter of haste. Your day-to-day workload will be fairly high with not much time to study, unless you use annual leave to do the work.

Good luck to your family.:E

[Aviator500]

So I take it there is no hope for those with a basic CPL, couple of ATPL's and no MECIR...

[Mr Cat]

Aviator500,

Probably not at this stage, but hang in there. Those of us with MECIR and ATPL's will soon decrease considerably and they then, will begin looking at people without them.

Might take 6 - 12 monhs however.

Good luck !

[WynSock]

I wonder if the traveling public are aware of the general experience level of QFlink pilots currently?
I also wonder if they will be aware (apart from the landings :E) of what it will be when all the young new trainee pilots are sitting in all those soon to be vacant right seats? There is some anecdotal evidence of concern among the cabin crew.

Perhaps the public don't care.
As for management, they have shown some interest in retaining the "appropriate" experience to date. They may need to show more interest if the rumors of the number of captains about to leave is correct.

Perhaps it will all turn out well for everyone, let's hope so.

[WynSock]

? bed ? :confused:

non comprende

I was over over it long ago "mate".

[Bazza241]

Guys,

I know it's all been done here before, but would anyone like to PM me the latest known details on the Sim Check (MEL 16 ILS - 747-300) and Interview questions ?

Thanks in advance

:8

[double efato]

heh thats very unsporting.

me too please!

lol

["Littlebird"]

Not sure myself guy's, but what exactly is QLink loooking for in a candidate is beyond me. Caught up with a friend the other day with a little over 250TT and MECIR, and was told they made it. Very happy for them, but at the same time, made things a little more confusing. Anyone in the know...would you care to elaborate?

LB.

[Paul Alfred]

Do you know how long it took him LB to get through the whole process from initial application?

I have got an app in at the moment. Cheers. PA

["Littlebird"]

Paul,
Actually it is a she - Unfortunately, I don't know the details regarding the timeline.
All the best with your app.

LB.

[Paul Alfred]

Ooops...sorry LB, stereotyped again......chick pilots rock!

PA ;)

[jackson's_joyflights]

Hey guys,
First post for myself. I am a 350TT CPL M//E CIR pilot working as a meat bomber (did my first jump last weekend, they really are crazy in the head) and 6 months away from completing an aviation degree. Few ATPLs remaining. I just got my offer to undertake sim/interview test for the QL traineeship. Only gave me 14 days to prepare but free trip to sydney sounds good. Sim test seems straight forward. Anyone previous applicants got any usefull information for the interview side of the day?

[BoundaryLayer]

JJ - good luck with your sim/interview.

Littlebird, seems to me (i.e. just my opinion) that they seem to be going for those with around 250-350 hours TT with MECIR + ATPLs at the moment, based on various posts so far. Maybe the theory is these guys/girls are reasonably fresh off their training and they are current with everything etc? I've got 750+ TT / 100+ ME, with ATPLs and MECIR (not current admittedly) and not even a peep - haven't even been asked to do the online psych quiz. Won't mention my age but I'm gen X not Y :hmm:.

Oh well I'm not losing any sleep over it.

[QFcaptain]

"Won't mention my age but I'm gen X not Y"

Boundarylayer, unfortunately it looks like they are after the youngins.Only takes a look at the press release photo of the first intake.

[Mr Cat]

Can someone please post the link to that press release photo ???

Cheers !

[QF2]

The link is on the previous page. Here it is anyway:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...314077&page=14 (http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=314077&page=14)

[dreamjob]

How young is young? I know a few in the mid-late 20's getting the nod.

[Inverted7]

Gday Guys,

I just got the call a couple of days ago to come down for the Sim ride and Interview, have 300TT and MECIR no ATPL's as yet. Any past info on the kind of questions going to be asked in the interview would be greatly appreciated. Just over one week to prepare!! :rolleyes:

["Littlebird"]

BoundaryLayer - It's all good...whatever will be will be. I'm definitely not losing any sleep over it, especially with the current status of the aviation environment.
:ok:

[Maloo]

Hi there,

In a reply to people's questions about experience and age of those who are getting in. I am 23 with MECIR, grade three instructor rating and all ATPLs with about 950hrs and bugger all twin time/IF/Night. My flying has consisted of instructing and private/charter. I just had the sim and interview and got a call offering me a spot on the course.

Good luck to anyone else going through the process

Cheers,

Maloo

[Maloo]

Hi all,

I have received a number of PM's about what to expect on the Sim ride/Interview day so rather than replying to all separately I'll do one post on here about it.

The Sim ride will be first. The Sim instructor is a great guy and made us all feel very relaxed and comfortable about what we were going to do. Study the ILS before hand paying attention to the check height at the outer marker (1675' from memory). The sim is your six instruments albeit a bit more advanced than a Cessna and the glideslope is on both the AH and the DI. Fly the numbers and everything should be rosy. If you make a mistake don't fret about it just move on. I made plenty of mistakes and all you can do is try to keep doing better.

For the interview, study the AIP mainly with respect to IFR rules and arrivals. Study company info including fleet numbers and differences between types and base ports. There is a big focus on personality questions. Think about strengths and weaknesses, when you have let your boss down, when you have bent rules flying if you have, any conflicts you have had in the workplace and when you have had to put your foot down. You also get asked what you would do if your skipper who had been flying for thirty years wanted to go 50' below the MDA/DH. Depending on what you say you'll get pressured again to go below the MDA/DH. I'm not going to tell you what to say here because those of us who are safety orientated will know what stand to take.

Don't be afraid to analyse yourself, especially when it comes to weaknesses - None of us are perfect. Also don't be afraid to say what strengths you have - just do it in a humble way. Don't bulls**t, don't be a tw*t, talk to them like they are people and don't use one worded answers. I had two interviewers and one was outside the room for about ten minutes before the interview which meant I made sure I could hold up a conversation for the time that we were alone. I actually found his past pretty interesting and found out we grew up in the same side of my home city. Oh, and make sure you're well groomed when you show up because that makes a big impression.

Oh, and be yourself too. If the company doesn't want your personality, so be it. There are plenty more companies out there and plenty bigger. Qlink are still advertising for the program so they are desparate. Don't be smug though, you still have to show up and perform on the day.

That just about covers it. If there are any more questions please don't hesitate to put them on here and I'll try to answer them.

Cheers,

Maloo

[Paul Alfred]

Your a good person Maloo for taking the time to do this for those of us still waiting.

Cheers mate.

PA :ok:

[goaroundagain]

Gday guys and gals,

Congrats to those of you that have got through and good luck to those of you that are going through.

Last year I completed the Qantas Psych testing, which included a Numerical Test and a Verbal Comprehension test. Does anyone know if the Qantaslink Psych test is of the same format and same type of questions, timeframes etc?

I am also guessing that the personality portion of the psych testing must be a bit like the QF one? I think there are almost 200 odd questions?????

Im not asking anyone to break any disclosure statements etc, but any advice that you care to share would be very much appreciated - either in forum for all to share of by PM if you prefer. I have read the postings above, but didnt really answer the questions that I have asked here.

Thanks in advance

Goaroundagain

[21391401]

good evening - is anyone who has never worked before getting a look-in??

[HappyBandit]

Would be very interested to hear from anyone currently doing the traineeship how the program is going and the workload involved? Also wondering why it requires about 2 months of training. From the website looks like it could be done within 2 weeks. I could be missing something of course

[dreamjob]

21391401, yes.

HB, from what I've been told it takes about 6 (SIX) months from the time you first start the course, till you're flying on the line. The training involved includes; multi-crew training, CRM course, extra IF flying (Qlink standard), Dash8 endo, QLink procedural flying (SOPs?), etc etc.

How true this is, we'll have to wait and see. :ok:

[Gun_Knutt]

Hey Maloo,

How long did they make you wait before they called you? just did the sim and interview... can't stand the not knowing... BTW sim was sooooo cool eh? full motion 747-300 and for everyone else, yes, he lets you land if your approach is on the money!

[jackson's_joyflights]

Hey numbers, I've only been working as a meatbomber since end of Jan. Put my application in abour middle of feb. I think I had worked three weekends. If you meet the requirements and have some of their 'desired' requirements I'm sure you'll get a look in. I've got everything except a few ATPL 350TT, Degree and I didi my training at GFS (Qantas's chosen training organisation) and I got a look in. Sim ride next week. Keep positive and don't listen to the pesimists, it's a great opportunity. Good luck.:ok:

[HappyBandit]

I think I may have worked it out. Is it possible that they meant 100 hours bridging course not 10 hours? That would be more realistically 4-8 weeks wouldn't it?

[21391401]

thx for the info guys - nearly finished ATPL, but thk i need my MECIR before they come knocking

[Lasiorhinus]

No, it really is ten hours..

[HappyBandit]

Hey Mate

Are you doing the course? If so can you tell me what the program involves. Are you working 7 days a week? Sounds fantastic just trying to get an idea of the program that's all

[Maloo]

Gun Knutt,

I got a phone call that afternoon offering a position.

Maloo

[charlie uniform mike]

Just wondering if anyone has got the nod yet for sim and interview at the end of april start of may???

[BoundaryLayer]

Charlie Uniform Mike - nothing yet, my guess is they will wait until after the 11th and then contact those going to the next stage.

[garman]

from the 730 reports chris manning stated there will be 14 pilots in the first intake, then 10 to 12 a month following. thats a massive intake!

[Chips]

are any of the dash-8s qlink operate technically enhanced aircraft?

[adamk]

charlie uniform mike/BoundaryLayer

I guess we all were the next bunch for the psych test.. it'll be the longest period waiting for a call.

[UnderneathTheRadar]

CharlieUniformMike,

Not sure I understand your question? I have interview/sim in a couple of weeks time but suspect my 'group' is already interviewing/simming.

Have you had the psych/maths test?

UTR.

[AviatoR21]

To the people who have been offered a position, has it so far been verbal or have you received anything on paper yet?

[charlie uniform mike]

Underneatheradar

Yeah i should have been more specific. I got offered psych and in the email they sent me they said that sim and interview should be end of april start of may. I was wondering if anyone in this group got offered sim and interview yet?

[Mr Cat]

Hi guys,

Can anyone in the know please post some information.

I am wanting to know how many courses are currently going and when the next course will be initiated ???

I know the very first course started on the 10th March and I suppose it would almost be finished in Melbourne now, ready to come back to Sydney to start endorsement training. Has another course started as yet other than the first one.

If so when did it start?

If not when will the next one start ?

Cheers

Cat.

[Direct_to]

hey guys,

i know it's already been said on here that they will most probably take people with the most qualifications first, but just wondering if anyone has been sent the physch and skills test or been accepted for an interview without a MECIR?

cheers :ok:

[Lasiorhinus]

Courses are running every month in Melbourne, with around 12 trainees per course.

Qantas Link have only recieved 400 applications for the traineeship, and are running two simulator/interview sessions per week, with four candidates per session.

They anticipate running courses until late 2009, based on current projections.

[HappyBandit]

Hey Mr Cat

No the guys are still goig from the March 10th course. The courses are going for roughly 6-8 weeks depending on your level. April 7th course started today and the next one is May 5th. Been told in interview that there will be a course each month (early in the month) for at least the next year.

Cheers

[charlie uniform mike]

Direct to

I have no MECIR but i do have all my ATPL's, and i was offered psych and skills.

[UnderneathTheRadar]

Anyone in Melbourne with an upcomming sim/interview, please PM me if you're interested in sharing some Sim preparation time.

UTR.

[jackson's_joyflights]

Had the sim test and Interview in sydney yesterday. I was told by the boss that I had the job before I left to head back to the hotel. I have to finish my ATPLs and Degree before I start but QL will pay for ATPL classes. I'll lay down the day for those of you who are wondering.

615 Start. Met by sim instructor who is a very nice guy and given breifing about the sim ride. 747-300. The sim ride starts 10nm north of melbourne TRK 160. The aircraft is trimmed and fling at 180kts with EPR altready set. You fly along runway centreline until about half way and make right turn onto 250. After a few mins S&L you make a left turn onto 160 and climb to 6000ft at 180kts 1000pm and 1.3 EPR. After reaching 6000 you turn left onto 070 and fly to make intercept of 360 track to epping NDB. You overfly and re-intercept 330 outbound and then descend to 4000ft. You are then asked to slow to 160 kts and he starts vectoring you for a base leg for the ILS. On the base leg he asks you to slow to 140 Kts and make a pilot intercept. Once established and 1 dot low ask for gear and then on glideslope ask for flap 30. You have to fly the ILS at 120 and 650 fpm for it to work and if you stick to the numbers you will be able to get through it with no problems. Best advise for sim ride is to know the number in your sleep. If your doing good on the ILS you'll get to land it. Remember you're like 7 meters in the air on mains touchdown. :p:p:p:p:p

After the sim ride you have lunch and then do the paper work. The interview was with two peope and based on personal, operational, aircraft you fly and qantas link aircraft. Best advise is to have a good think about yourself and come up with some strenghts, weaknesses, conflict situations, times you lost credibility for making a mistake and how you resolved all of these situations. The want to hear you give them a situation, how you handeled it and what you learned in the process, if you ramble on they will just get pissed off. Know your aips back to front, particularly the IFR if you are rated. Know your own aircraft and know the numbers and differences for all of the Dash 8s. Be yourself, enjoy the sim ride. Good luck. :p:p:p:p:p

[21391401]

well done Jackson

[Ideal Line]

Good stuff Jackson, I am sure that will be useful to a lot of wannabes.

[KRUSTY 34]

Gidday Jackson.

I thought Qantas required good passes in English for their wizkids? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Although I am curious as to why candidates are tested on the 747 Sim rather than the Dash 8!

[Di_Vosh]

Although I am curious as to why candidates are tested on the 747 Sim rather than the Dash 8!

They explained that one to us at the Qlink roadshow last year.

They want a "level playing field" for the sim rides, and the best way they could do that was to do it in a sim that no-one would be able to afford to buy a "pre interview" sim ride. (For example, it is common practice before a REX interview to buy a sim-ride in the Metro for around $600.00).

Up until recently the sim rides were done in the 767, but that has become overbooked and now is in the 747.

DIVOSH!

[Shadowfromthesky]

Great work and well done Jackson :D just need to get ur degree finished off and good to hear that they are paying for the ATPL's. Thanks for sharing the info. See u at fankys class.

Lasiorhinus.. where are u getting that info from, do u really think courses will go until late 2009? do u think that they would ever keep it as a permanent course not taking as many trainees per intake?

[rmcdonal]

Up until recently the sim rides were done in the 767, but that has become overbooked and now is in the 747.


767 was in used when I went for a ride. The reason I got was that the Dash8 was too busy. Besides it doesnt matter what aircraft you do the sim in. They are not looking to see if you can fly a 767 or a 747 etc, just looking to see if you can fly IFR, and how good your scan is.

[Inverted7]

Gday Guys,

Just had the sim and interview and was also offered a position at the end of the day. Jackson clarified the whole process perfectly, Its a really fun day and the sim is unreal!! To answer the question about why they use the 747 sim instead of the dash 8, I was told because the dash 8 sim is back to back being used where as the 747 300 is free all the time. I was also told on the day that there doing intakes of 3-5 people per interview day.. three times a week, and i think they So they interview around 50-60 and take 11 or 12 a month.

Was an awesome day tho! Really enjoyed it.. Now just focusing on finishing all the ATPL's!!

Anyone who's got it coming up all the best. Just be yourself and enjoy the day and Im sure you'll be laughing!!


Well done Jackson on getting in as well mate.. Will hopefully see you up at AFT.

If anyones got any more questions just send us a PM.

Cheers

[goaroundagain]

Gday guys and well done to those of you that are getting in.

For those of you that have been getting in, are you all MECIR 'ed?

I have heard that some of the guys/gals that dont have MECIR but have ATPL's have been asked to do some psych testing. Has anyone in this category been offered interview and sim?

I wonder what they are going to do with the guys that dont have an Instrument rating for the sim ride and the interview questions......any thoughts?

All the best guys and gals and good luck....

Cheers

[bythenumbers]

Di Vosh... The actual reason they are using the 743 is because the 8 sim is going 24/7 with cyclics and type ratings. They still use the 767 for direct entry as of about a week or two ago.

Sounds like a pretty straight forward sim ride, start in flight... in trim!!! Airlines ain't what they used to be. I reckon the best advice for eager youngsters that want to pass the sim ride I can give is DON'T touch the controls and she'll fly dead straight!!

[AviatoR21]

Anyone starting on the 5th May?

[flygirl_nz]

hi there

i have an interview and was sent an email with a few attachments, 1 has ID services pack 1, was wondering if anyone knows if we need to get criminal history police check before interview and do we bring this printed id services pack to interview?

cheers

[Di_Vosh]

Just passing on the info that we were told at our roadshow in December.

[Dragun]

the best way they could do that was to do it in a sim that no-one would be able to afford to buy a "pre interview" sim ride.

Unlikely. The cost of a full motion 4 hour sim session at QFT in the Dash-100 sim with an instructor is $4600 which is right on par with any of the sims in that building. That figure is taken straight from the training contract that we were all issued back when I did my Dash 8 endorsement there.

The cost is in the hardware maintenance and running costs (hydraulic jacks etc), software and instructor costs which don't really change dependent on the aircraft type in a simulator if you think about it.

[Fifthleg]

Anybody out there who completed the on line tests for Friday the 11th of April?

CHeers

[Gun_Knutt]

Got the "Conditional Letter" today. I'm in if I do the ATPL's and get my MECIR renewed. Finally have an employer that has said "Tick all the boxes and you've got a job" I don't mind investing time and money (I'm woefully short on both) for definate outcomes.

The interview and sim (especially the sim) are great fun. There will not be too many opportunities to left to fly the 747-300 sim. It's being retired at the end of the year. Make the most of it and "Dig the Retro Baby" It's called a classic for a reason. Just hold off on wearing your prized polyester leisure suit... Larry:=

[ACMS]

My buddy did a sim for Qlink a month ago and it was in a the 767

And yes he got in.:ok:

[ausflying]

Fifthleg, yes I was in the group that had to have them done by the 11th... i still havent heard anything. Has anyone else from this group heard anything?

[Fifthleg]

Nothing yet- no news is good news, eh?

[At Last]

Fifthleg, im in the same boat as you. I did the psych test 8 weeks ago and still havent heard anything. I currently have 900hrs total + MECIR + All Atpl subjects.

[Will964]

Gun Knutt – I’m in the same boat as you and have been working away to get the ATPLs knocked over as quickly as possible. I’m doing the AFT distance course and the notes have proven to be spot on so far.

For those interested in time frames. I applied not long after the application opened, sat the online tests two weeks later and went for interview two weeks after that. I was offered a conditional place on the course the following day. However, I was interviewed in early March, so things may have changed since then.

Good luck to all those applying and enjoy the 747-300 sim, it’s great fun!

[Mr Cat]

G'day Guys,

Im a May 5th starter in Melbourne, and just wondering if anyone else is or if anyone knows anyone that is. Looking to buddy up for the cab ride with at least one other but more would be even better.......

The cab ride is a $90 fare so if anyone else is travelling from Sydney on Sunday 4th May, please get in contact with me. PM or public post doesn't matter..........

Cheers,

Cat

[Sue Ridgepipe]

The cab ride is a $90 fare
If you're on a budget catch the skybus to the city then get a cab from there.
Or if you're really tight, catch the skybus to the city, then the train to Cheltenham then get a cab.

[Soulman]

Skybus to city, train to Cheltenham then bus to DFO. All up about $20-25.