try this

New operator: Air European (not All European)

supposedly starting with ex Alaskan MD-80's/MD83's - believe it when you see it.......:(

He will be launching an airline in either Spain or Germany with MD80s and that's a fact (well...those plans are a fact anyway).

There will be none based or (as far as I know) flying into Blackpool.

I do not know they basis of which he plans to fly his birds on (charter, scheduled, LC etc.) but it will not be from Blackpool I guarantee you!

Blackpool
 

From what the Gazette said the runway project etc is costing around £2m they can't have got all that from the ADF there arent enough passengers! So someone must be investing, one assumes BB?

For people who say they are travelling from Manchester instead of Blackpool - I guess it depends how much it costs to travel to Manchester and park rather than pay £10 and get free parking and I guess it also depends on how much people want Blackpool to continue operating otherwise we'll all have to go to Manchester..and there will be a few 100 more people queuing at the job centre - I think Blackpool could do without that....:rolleyes:

But it won't take that long to recover the cost.

Passenger total - Rolling year to Jan 09 - 421,000
Assume 20% reduction in passenger numbers - 336,800
Assume ADF applies to 2 in 3 passengers - 224,300 passengers paying ADF.
Income from ADF - £2,243,000 in 2009

Is this ADF subject to tax/VAT? After all, it is income, probably classified as unearned income. If not, I'd lke to know why.

I bet Blackpool wish that was the reduction without Ryanair, just consider the amount of commercial seats arriving now, multiply that by .8 load factor x 51.5 (available weeks) x .66 Pax paying the charge divide by 1.15 for VAT (not sure what the VAT figure is maybe 5%) less the passengers that wont pay it out of principal (say 1 in 15)and see what you get.

And dont forget this is to MAINTAIN EXISTING FACILITYS not development in any way shape or form.

We need Flybe in there quick and a buzz about the place, in much the same way as it was when Ryanair/Jet2/Monarch were operating together.

A runway extension and infrastructure improvements conservatively valued at £20 million (how long will that take with the ADF???) Just look at Bournemouth

Tell you what, if there was a regular service from Blackpool to London City (such as the excellent VLM have between Manc and London City), I'd use it, and I wouldn't bother one jot about ADF or parking. Always providing, of course, the cost of the flight compares with the railway.

VLM couldn't make it work from LPL so I doubt BLK would work. A service to London (BE looks like the best bet) would probably go via LGW which I think there would be demand for for a a twice daily, BLK based Saab or even Dash 8.

BLK will be on a major downward spiral until the management take off that ridiculous charging structure.

KLM, VLM and the like have bigger fish to fry than chicken feed at BLK
the only way airports like BLK can compete with airports like MAN and LPL is by offering a pattering of LCC services

I doubt very much Aer Arann will last a year there

FlyBe - POSSIBLY a better fit. MUFC fan is totally correct in his approach.

TSR ...

Nice calculation but remember it only applies to departing passengers ...

It looks like the BLK-IOM price race begins!

BE are very much more expensive than Manx2 and don't have the best flight times either (except the morning flight)

Yes: And the loser will leave BLK.

Yes it was buzzing, BUT - After Jet2 decided they were interested in the Malaga route, Monarch soon left Blackpool with haste. If I remember correctly they did not even finish the summer schedule, and some pax had to use Manchester instead.

I think it's silly encouraging airlines to fly the same routes, not enough pax for that. BLK need new carriers that's true, but to different destinations.

TSR2: If your calculations are even near correct, that vindicates BB for introducing the charge.

Why would it be "unearned income"?, the very fact that BB are introducing it means the income IMO is earned because it is to be used for improving the airport rather than pocketing or investing the cash the ADF generates.
Also any work carried out with these funds will be set against the income for the reason of taxing - BB will not make a profit for having the runway repaired.

BLK and thoughts
 

1) I have been told that FR left BLK for a great many reasons - not least the fact that they were not allowed to force LS off AGP and ALC.

2) Reading this thread (and the previous one) it seems that the airport spent its time letting the carriers do whatever they wanted without a plan or earning any money...these two pretty critical factors led to TOM/MON/AMM etc all leaving, and to the airport losing its shirt.

3) Put very simply, I was in a meeting recently where someone from BB said "no ADF, no airport..." for me it really is about using it or losing it! And as for those who choose MAN or LPL - that's what the airport always said - this is a very competitive market in terms of choice - add up the various charges, value your own time (to get there, park, bus, train whatever) and then decide which is best - for me BLK wins every time.

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...I am a little confused as to what conclusions to draw from your observations.
You reckon FR left because they were not allowed to compete on a route then seem to suggest that MON/BY et al departed because of the level of competition?! :confused:

I would agree with Ernest that the AGP route probably couldn't support two carriers however I would imagine BLK management were prepared to take the risk if Jet2 appeared to offer a better long term proposition in terms of future growth. The decision appears to have paid off as J2 offer a reasonable selection of routes (albeit mainly in the summer.)

I doubt BLK have changed their position as Flybe are now starting on the IOM route and I would suggest the same rings true for Flybe now as it did with Jet2 on the AGP a few years back. In short, Manx2 might offer great service to IOM but will they expand the route portfolio??? Flybe may potentially offer the opportunity of further routes in the future & for a regional airport such as this, that would be a major attraction.

Pure speculation on my part - only time will tell if the decision was a good one!

Sorry for changing topic slightly, but is it only Alpha which is used for taxi by the larger aircraft?

Manx2 are a superb airline, I flown to the IOM with them twice. Interesting aircraft to.

At the moment yes. I don't know now that they have moved the Emerald a/c, if there is space for the 737 that way, especially the Jet2 which are less wide than the Ryanair a/c were, if they can use another taxiway.

It can cause problems, especially during the summer when there are 4 aircraft on the ground at once and all due out within 10-15 minutes of each other. If R10 is open then they have to wait for it to land, back track and be on stand before another waiting aircraft can taxi. This could possibly mean an aircraft misses its slot.

I can't believe it this summer but at some points there will be 5 stands needed (2x LS, BE, RE, M2) - what will happen?

Sounds like a nightmare.

I assume that Blackpool departures need airway clearances and to be released from Manchester before they depart, since there is no SID directly linked to the airways system?

Matthew Butterworth
 

Not related to Dave by any chance?:}:\:uhoh::ouch:

Rgds
The Moss:ok:

Nope :sad: Who is Dave? Another user on here? :confused: