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uktigger 27th January 2009 22:20

Blackpool International - Airport Facilities - UK and European destinations with both charter and scheduled flights.

long final 28th January 2009 06:14

Flybar, I do blame them for not being transparent. This charge should be pointed out before you finalise your payment. It may not be the legal position, but very sly sales.

firstchoice7e7 28th January 2009 07:56

when did you book your ticket? the charge was only recently introduced.

long final 28th January 2009 16:34

Booked my tickets last night. All im saying is that Jet 2 do not mention the additional 'tax' until you have handed over your money to them. They will not let you cancel if you so wish. Now, £10 a ticket isnt the end of the world, its just I felt ambushed by Jet2, as I feel it is thier responsibility to inform me before I pay. Im sure legally they dont have to, but where is the bar set? What happens if Blackpool (I know, hypothetical) set a fee of £1000 per pax?

It's deceitful IMO. You have no choice but to pay it, or forfeit your tickets. Come on Jet 2, play it fair and give the customers the choice. As I said before, im too stuborn for my own good, all I can do is refuse to give them any more of my money in the future.

flybar 28th January 2009 17:40

If you are going to fly from Blackpool, with any airline, you have to pay to depart the airport. Surely you take this into consideration when deciding whether to use the airport or not.
At least Jet2 are warning you in advance. They don't need to say anything.

MUFC_fan 28th January 2009 19:07

Jet2 don't have to tell you anything! It is nothing to do with Jet2 at all!

They use the facilities, it is BLK that are charging you and you are actually quite lucky that they are telling you!

TSR2 28th January 2009 20:38

I think the real question here is why have the airport not passed on the £10 charge to the airlines as an increase in landing fees or airport charges so the true cost of travel is reflected in the price of the air ticket in line with the policy at all major airports.

The answer may well be to prevent headline air fares from Blackpool becoming uncompetitive with fares from Manchester.

MUFC_fan 28th January 2009 20:42

Or that the airlines would not agree and LS would probably pull out along with all other airlines.

It is not possible to pass these fees onto the airlines as increasing the landing fees by £10pp over 16 is ludicrous for such as small airport - something that you may expect at LHR!

It would also affect airline profits and they would be taxed on it and the airport would have to work out how many passengers showed up for each flight to charge the airline etc. etc.

A lot easier to just charge you and me in the terminal.

horatio_b 28th January 2009 20:50

I get the impression that the airport is trying to attract people from outside the immediate local area, say Chorley, Wigan , Bolton who probably would have automatically used Manchester in the past.
Locals would probably be resigned to paying the £10, as it would probably cost them more than that to use alternatives from Manchester.
However, a couple from outside the area would pay £20 through the airport charge, but get free parking for up to 2 weeks, which at rip-off Manchester rates may well
cost anything up to £60. This might persuade them to use Blackpool instead.

Ernest Lanc's 31st January 2009 17:14


Originally Posted by TSR2
I think the real question here is why have the airport not passed on the £10 charge to the airlines as an increase in landing fees or airport charges so the true cost of travel is reflected in the price of the air ticket in line with the policy at all major airports.

The simple answer is that they couldn't.

If the surcharge of £10 is only payable to over 16s, how on Earth could Jet 2 have applied that in practice on their website?.

horatio_b makes a good point. The fact that people from Chorley, Preston and East Lancashire will benefit from the £10 surcharge along with the (free parking), making Blackpool more competitive against Manchester.


Originally Posted by Firstchice7e7
when did you book your ticket? the charge was only recently introduced.

What do you mean by your post. Are you saying that if you booked your ticket 'pre surcharge', then you are not liable for the airport levy?.

TSR2 31st January 2009 21:12

Ernest Lanc's
 
I think you have missed the point.

If Blackpool Airport need to raise some cash, why did they not increase landing fees or charges to do so instead of imposing a £10 charge on over 16's. In making a seperate charge, the adult fare charged by any airline using Blackpool Airport is artificially low.

MUFC_fan 31st January 2009 21:21

It is not an AIRLINE charge, but an AIRPORT charge meaning the air fare is not lower than it actually is.

You are basically paying £10 to use BLK's facilities to get to your plane but the snag is that you HAVE to use their facilities. A bit like with FR, if you have bags you have to pay for check-in.

Ernest Lanc's 31st January 2009 23:09


Originally Posted by TSR2
I think you have missed the point. [..]If Blackpool Airport need to raise some cash, why did they not increase landing fees or charges to do so instead of imposing a £10 charge on over 16's.

No I have with respect not missed the point: If Blackpool Airport had raised landing fees by £10, then it would have really had to include the under 16s also, making the charge even more expensive.

I know when booking airlines ask the ages of children, but the charge is always the same as for an adult.

Originally Posted by TRS2
In making a separate charge,[...] the adult fare charged by any airline using Blackpool Airport is artificially low

How can that be so?. The Airport is quite rightly making the charge to improve the airport, not Jet 2 and others. So the charges Jet2 make reflects the service they give their customers, irrespective of what the airport does.

The question really is do Blackpool Airport need to raise money, and IMO after frequent bouncing on that runway - the answer has to be yes if we want to keep Blackpool Airport.

Imposing landing charges might just have drove jet2 away from Blackpool, and that would have meant using the much less user friendly Manchester Airport.

IB4138 1st February 2009 08:12

I wonder if the £10 charge, with the free parking caveat, is legal under EU Law?

It is clearly discriminatory against departing passengers, who are residents and citizens of other EU States, as they cannot take advantage (or are extremely unlikely to) of the free parking discount.

Cloud1 1st February 2009 12:00

I am sure if it was not, the airport would not do it. Wonder if other regional airports will start ADF's - could we see passengers paying to depart from every regional airport in the future?

BLKsheriff 2nd February 2009 12:56

FlyBe / Loganair announcement by BLK
 
LOGANAIR & FLYBE COMMENCE FLYING FROM BLACKPOOL INTERNATIONAL



Blackpool International announces today that Loganair & Flybe are starting flights between Blackpool and the Isle of Man from 3rd May.


In a joint partnership Loganair and Flybe will introduce up to three flights a day as part of a wider expansion plan that will benefit business and leisure travellers. Blackpool passengers will also benefit from onward connections to Glasgow and Belfast.
Susan Kendrick, customer relations and communications manager at Blackpool International said: "We are delighted to welcome Loganair and Flybe to Blackpool and we are confident that we can build on this relationship to improve our existing services for travellers from across Lancashire and the Lake District.
Flights to the Isle of Man will leave Blackpool weekdays at 0715, 1115 and 1525 and return to Blackpool at 1010, 1420 and 1820. Fares start from only £29.99 one way, including all taxes, fees and charges and are available to buy from Tuesday 3rd February.
David Harrison, chief executive of Loganair said, "The new schedule which we are announcing today, provides additional connnections that can only be good news for leisure and business travellers alike, ensuring they have the widest possible choice."
Blackpool International recently introduced free passenger parking for all departing passengers for up to 15 days, the only UK international airport to do so, in an effort to attract more passengers to use the convenient facilities at Blackpool.
Sue Kendrick added: "It's great to be able to tell everyone about the positive story at Blackpool. In a difficult aviation market at the moment, we are growing our passenger base through the introduction of the free parking marketing initiative and attracting new airlines to the airport. With the continued support of travellers from across Lancashire and the Lake District, we are confident that we can take the airport forward to become the airport of choice for these passengers.
"With easy onward connections to Glasgow and Belfast, there is no doubt that this will be an extremely popular service for all those who travel regularly from Blackpool and we will also be working with Loganair and Flybe to encourage inbound visitors to take advantage of these new flights."

Blackpool International - News - UK and European destinations with both charter and scheduled flights.

:D:D:D

MUFC_fan 2nd February 2009 13:10

Well...this becomes VERY interesting!

What will we see from Manx2? They have said sales have risen by 17% in January year on year which is a good start but this will put serious competition against them! They do have an advantage of offering cheaper fares and will now have a customer base plus they have the NHS contract for IOM-BLK.

Well done to BLK for getting BE on board but could this have a bad effect on Manx2? We will have to wait and see...

MUFC_fan 2nd February 2009 14:25

Just to confirm, BLK will now become a base for Flybe with 3 daily flights operating:

BLK-IOM-BHD return giving Manx2 serious competition.

Will Flybe be able to sustain a base that small or will they look at bringing more flights to BLK? I would predict so with their great relationship with Balfour Beatty.

BLK is becoming what it should have originally become - an airport with regional connections from regional airlines and an LCC to summer destinations.:ok:

Still won't make up the Ryanair numbers though.

ALLMCC 2nd February 2009 15:29

If you look at Flybe's route map, it seems to indicate a direct link between BLK and BHD - is this possibly in the pipeline? Would make sense as Manx2 currently only offer a through connection between the two via IOM.

dada 2nd February 2009 17:17

just like the old spacegrand days of the 80's

blk-iom bhd iom blk flt nos 102/3 morning dep 0745
blk-iom-bhd-iom blk flt nos 105/6 evening dep 1645

going back to ma roots, yeh..............


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