Anyone old enough to have some perspective (l'm sure there are many) must be thinking that the Loganair/Aurigny/Blue Islands alliance looks a lot like British Regional Airlines and Flybe 2 is rather similar to Birmingham Executive Airlines. Plus ca change...

wanna

Not at all. Think it's a great move.

Looks like G-JECX had a return trip to BHX today using a Jersey training callsign.

I do hope we are not to have to expect a running commentary on every movement by the aircraft. It surely suffices to know they have aircraft and are continuing to prepare for operations ?

That is hardly fair. This is I believe the first training sortie by Flybe since their resurrection and as such worthy of note. Further sorties may be considered less worthy of comment.

I don't know if it is or it isn't the first. But it's not "new news" that they have an aircraft and that they are getting ready to start flying, which is all well and good in itself.

​​​ATNotts. Totally agree. FLYBE info on a Flybe thread, and solid data for a change. I'm booking as soon as I can...... I don't even care where the plane goes.... I know the agonies some of the crews have been through. Welcome back. Have a look at opposition fares and weep......some are higher than rail fares!

High fares are the norm for regional turboprops, low fares lead to bankruptcy. Zombie-Flybe will only have low fares til there's blood on the carpet and one survivor in market.

Dash 8, 31 inch seat pitch and quick to turn around against sardine-jet 29 inch seat pitch in claustrophobic 6 abreast and a mega-snail load/unload nightmare. Flybe is a breath of fresh air. Anyone remember the Tridents that did the domestic shuttles..... a real cattle - class - scum passenger experience they were. Mind you, I do still have a couple of the Cat 3 ties they used to hand out after an autoland.
I do hope FLYBE bring back the chocolates, we do miss them.

Well the Dash was a nightmare for me and a lot of people I know who used to hate flying on it. I would pay more to fly on a jet than a dash if I had the choice.

I’m curious why you think Flybe is a breath of fresh air when we know nothing of routes, pricing or business model or anything really? Are you part of the management that know something we don’t?

055166k

What a strange post. All I can say is that I did a day return LGW EDI LGW yesterday on EZY A320, full going North and 80% coming home and I’d take that over a dash 8 any day (for the record the flights were excellent, both arrived early and very friendly crews).
Also the comment about Tridents is misleading. The trident fuselage had a narrower cross section than a 737 and of course an A320 is an inch or two wider than a 737 (one of its USPs). I agree the Tridents were tight (flew on them many times) but they were definitely nicer to travel on than the Vanguards they replaced, which brings us back to your turboprop vs jet discussion. .

Atlantic Explorer

Just about sums up the whole thread. :ok:

Flybe Mk.2 appears to be "Marmite" on this thread. Some avidly anti - mostly because they either lost out when Mk.1 went down, or find the manner of their resurrection distasteful, and others wearing rose tinted glasses. Then there are some somewhere in the middle.

Nobody who is currently employed by Mk.2 would surely be stupid enough to disclose their plans, so everyone will just have to wait and see. I don't believe it'll be far into January before pans are revealed, then the armchair CEOs will be able to rip them apart or praise them to the hilt!

Couple of little bits of information in this article:

https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/air/...first-aircraft

Flybe to lease 12 Q400 from NAC and are aiming to ultimately have a fleet of 32. Guess they'll be about half their previous size if this ends up coming to fruition.

Very much a we shall see situation of course...

12 seems a lot. The cynics will undoubtedly say that is so they have 6 to cover for tech issues!

& if that happens, New Flybe will have covered their back & have clauses in the leasing contracts that will pay them compensation from the lessors, due to downtime. The A/C will have to be delivered in excellent condition just as they had to be handed back by Flybe v1 - and capable of the cycles they'll be put through.

Flybe v2 will also have access to the tech records of all the previous Q400 fleet and will know which airframes were constantly going tech, which ones had a leak here, or a sensor fault there. the hope is these will not be chosen, or these things will have been replaced prior to leasing.

..& the leasing contracts will likely be on more favourable terms to Flybe v2 this time too. No leasing company wants their planes sat on the tarmac somewhere.

Mr Loganair said this week that business travel is really subdued and unlikely to come back. Q400 best suited to 'business' type routes, so where does that leave Flybe?

Id suggest up the proverbial creek without a rowing device.

Gosh, wonder why Mr Loganair chose to say that? :rolleyes:

In fairness, the article I read with those quotes from Loganair also had a quote from easyJet saying their business pax numbers from September 2021 weren't too different to their numbers in Feb 2020.

I guess they're two airlines operating in different markets, Loganair exclusively UK with easyJet more UK - Europe so it's perfectly possible both statements could be true.