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BACsuperVC10 3rd Dec 2021 12:19

Two long standing popular routes vacant from Liverpool are CDG and BER. Both were long served by Easyjet with good loads. Could be an opportunity for Flybe, although both are use to A320 capacity . Berlin might be a bit far on a Dash 8 perhaps .

SWBKCB 3rd Dec 2021 12:26

See the armchair CEO's dartboard is back out again

SKOJB 3rd Dec 2021 12:53

indeed but a rumour site this is and a little bit of fun

BHX5DME 3rd Dec 2021 13:39

I would imagine a good size fleet at BHX from Day 1 with multiple daily domestics such as GLA, EDI, BHD maybe IOM and CI..
Plus a range of European destination within 2 hour flying time.
I wouldn't expect much apart from BHX initially :-)
But all guess work on my part !

OltonPete 3rd Dec 2021 17:16

Dash 8
 
Thursday was busy, today it managed just over 15 minutes before returning to BHX en route Cardiff, tech I believe.

wanna 3rd Dec 2021 18:25

CIs might be stretching it a bit, BHX already has GR serving Guernsey, SI and Easyjet serving Jersey, is there room for three???

The training flight routes and airports seem interesting, maybe random but most likely not. Liverpool featured on Thursday.

SWBKCB 3rd Dec 2021 18:33


The training flight routes and airports seem interesting, maybe random but most likely not. Liverpool featured on Thursday.
Wondered how long that would take.

My money is on random :ok:

Albert Hall 3rd Dec 2021 18:52

Wouldn’t be so sure. I’d heard LPL were very keen to entice them onto BHD-LPL.

wanna 3rd Dec 2021 18:53

But why random? Surely it would make more sense to visit airports you'll operate into if you're going to bother with the training in the first place. (assuming this is mandated by the CAA for experience). Not saying the routes will be the routes, but it seems odd they would visit some of the airfields they are if not intending to operate into them. But then its Flybe so random with no benefit would also make complete sense. They're hardly known for their joined up thinking.

SWBKCB 3rd Dec 2021 19:22

Using that logic Prestwick, Newquay etc would be busier airports than they are.

wanna 3rd Dec 2021 19:32

Newquay would make sense, but when did they visit Prestwick? If you look at where they have been all of the airfields would be logical options for them to operate into / out of.

If your talking about the use of both these airfields for training by other airlines, you need to differentiate between training like Flybe are doing (that is not the norm) and Base Training for a none ZFT type rating. Both Newquay and Prestiwck are used for Base Training by a few airlines, no doubt for many reasons.

TartinTon 3rd Dec 2021 19:47

NQY and PIK are used because there's bugger all else going on and they can do as many touch and gos/landings as they want without hindrance

SWBKCB 3rd Dec 2021 19:58


you need to differentiate between training like Flybe are doing (that is not the norm)
How is it not the norm?


If you look at where they have been all of the airfields would be logical options for them to operate into / out of.
And there are places they haven't been that would be just as logical - Southampton for instance.... And I doubt whether anywhere is so busy that they'd be turned away. Is there anywhere at the moment where there isn't "bugger all else going on"?

And maybe that's what they want everybody to think. Maybe it's the old magicians trick - when they are telling us to look left, we should be looking right :ok:

wanna 3rd Dec 2021 20:07

How many airlines fly aircraft around empty to conduct training other than for base training? This is probably similar to what Celio went through when gaining their AOC, getting everyone up to speed with an amount of experience flying simulated revenue flights. Line training without the passengers. Certainly not the norm.

7Three7Specialist 3rd Dec 2021 21:14

Just to be clear regarding Assured Aviation Services this is there first time trying ground handling. All they do at the moment is aircraft cleaning and washing.

jmdavies86 3rd Dec 2021 23:19

I'd say it's extremely unlikely for there to be enough room for BE to serve the CIs, certainly not profitably.

It's worth noting that Loganair currently serve ABZ, INV and IOM from BHX. If they were to potentially add GLA/EDI to that list, and taking into consideration the new tripartite partnership that they've just inked between themselves, GR & SI, I think they'll have the BHX to CIs market pretty much covered.

For those travellers who fly between Scotland and the CIs, I'd guess that they'll more than likely make use of the existing option of connecting via SOU, or the direct easyJet service to JER from GLA.

As for BHD, Emerald Airlines will almost certainly be considering BHX as a key route in the future once they've obtained their UK AOC and they'll simply take over from BA Cityflyer who only stepped-in as a consequence of Stobart Air's demise.

Atlantic Explorer 4th Dec 2021 00:20

7Three7Specialist

What could possibly go wrong!!

wanna 4th Dec 2021 07:43

I wonder how many Ground Handling companies actually tendered for the contract, Flybe choose the company with 0 experience verses the well established companies at BHX, maybe there wasn't to much choice? For a company trying to establish itself they're probably more willing to take a risk vs swissport and the rest who got their fingers burnt by Flybe Mk1.

SWBKCB 4th Dec 2021 08:40

Being interesting to see who they use when the destinations are announced. Which GH companies lost money to mk 1?

BHX5DME 4th Dec 2021 09:22

BHX only had one handling company before this announcement - Swissport !


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