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ATNotts 3rd Mar 2020 07:53

Indeed, but he is, so far as we aware at this stage in the story, the exception rather than the rule. Presently, I am four square behind Jetscream's approach.

Expressflight 3rd Mar 2020 08:09

Jetscream 32

Well said.

I've made my own risk appraisal and I'm booked to fly to Denmark at the end of the month. If the RYR flight operates I will be on it, even at the age of 71. I'll just be very careful with my hygiene and possible contamination from my environment.

ZFT 3rd Mar 2020 09:33

100% concur. Went to Singapore Airshow a couple of weeks ago, I meet just about every Asian nationality daily. Am off to Indonesia tomorrow. More chance of falling down on an escalator than getting this virus.

Far too many people hyping it up to detract from the real issues we face today!

Get on with life.

nowhereasfiled 3rd Mar 2020 09:46

100% looking forward to my trip to Milan this weekend. £5.99 flights, an empty aircraft, no queues at the bar, and the city near enough to ourselves.
Will take every possible precaution but no need to put life on hold, more people unfortunately will die of hunger in the U.K. today than will be diagnosed with coronavirus worldwide.

if anything, more afraid of venturing out to the slums of Southend and getting on a Ryanair flight 😉

racedo 3rd Mar 2020 10:13


Originally Posted by Jetscream 32 (Post 10701240)
There are a total of 90,936 confirmed cases worldwide - although more than half of those (47,995) have already recovered.

I have underlined the pertinent bit. The real number is likely substantially higher just people not tested.

Wuhan crematoria were operating 24/7 a number of weeks ago with nobody counting apart from the state. IF you die and have not been diagnosed then your death is not within either the confirmed cases or deaths.

Abusing Chinese media is a bit rich when UK media does exactly the same in reporting what they are told by the Government.

Testing of arriving travellers could be instigated at LHR (and other airports) but this would send the wrong message so do nothing in case it spooks people seems to be the way.

Expressflight 3rd Mar 2020 10:28


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10701416)
Testing of arriving travellers could be instigated at LHR (and other airports) but this would send the wrong message so do nothing in case it spooks people seems to be the way.

OK,so you take a swab from every arriving passenger at LHR. All fairly straightforward and resultant delays probably accepted as worth it. What then do you do with these passengers? As far as I know test results take 48 hours to come through. Do you keep everyone at LHR for two days? Do you have huge isolation 'hospitals' where they all go? Or are they released into 'the wild' and contacted if their results are positive? A good idea in theory but needs a bit of work to make it effective.

Jetscream 32 3rd Mar 2020 13:50

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In the last 30 days, 150 people have lost their lives on UK roads...... Can we please shut down the media and this hype over a new viral infection that whilst unique is not akin to the Black Death or anything else that will wipe out the human race. We need to keep the wheels of commerce moving freely - not scare the living daylights out of the worlds population especially when some lack common-sense!

TURIN 3rd Mar 2020 13:55


Originally Posted by racedo (Post 10701416)

Abusing Chinese media is a bit rich when UK media does exactly the same in reporting what they are told by the Government.
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Really? So that's why the government is trying to get rid of the BBC. It's doing the government's bidding. Of course, why did we not see this before?


racedo 3rd Mar 2020 17:33

Threats to get rid of the BBC happen under every Govt but done in different ways. There is zero plan to get rid of it just bring it more into seeing HMG's POV first.

alm1 3rd Mar 2020 17:45

SAS cancels some flights with immediate effect:

Flights to Northern Italy
(Published 03MAR20)
Due to the current situation in Northern Italy regarding the Coronavirus outbreak, the Danish foreign office has published new travel recommendations. The recommendation is to avoid unnecessary travel to the region. The safety of our passengers and crew being our first priority, SAS has therefore decided to suspend all flights to Milan, Bologna, Turin and Venice from March 4 until March 16. All affected passengers will be notified.
https://www.sas.se/trafikinformation/meddelande/

I wonder what will happen with flights when first cabin crew tests positive as there is a new hotspot near Bergamo.

PAXboy 3rd Mar 2020 18:20

The reason that the media are having such a splurge is two fold:
  1. It makes a change from all the political news that affects every country right now. The media love to play new stories
  2. It is a new thing. YES millions die of cancer and on the roads and by suicide - but those are known about and in every day experience. Something that might arrive 'out of the blue' to kill you? That becomes news and people want to know new stories.
Superpilot

Headline grabbing interpretation and opinions mean we are once again looking at another recession.
I regret to say that the recession was all T-eed up ready to go. For two years, I have seen the debt numbers being built up by companies and states. Since the 2008 crisis, the politicians and banks printed money and did not send anyone to jail - there has been no change to the underlying structure of the banking system. The banks and companies with long delivery routes of 'just in time' should have been expecting something like this and planning for it. Except that, if you have outsourced to the other side of the world - there s not much you can do.

The recession may, or may not, be triggered by Covid19 but it is going happen in the very near future no matter what. Airlines were going to have to park up and lose staff anyway - just like it always happens.

I started making my financial preparations for this recession three years ago as it was clearly on the horizon then.

inOban 3rd Mar 2020 22:41

The big risk to the airlines will be when, having been forced to use video conferencing rather than physical visits, businesses realise that much flying is unnecessary and merely serves to allow staff to top up their frequent flyer miles.

racedo 3rd Mar 2020 22:57

Not just airline customers, airlines as well and business in general. Assumming Factory A employs 200, they go on lock down and 80 people stay home to avoid contamination, 120 still produce pretty much what the whole 20 did. When reverts back to what constitutes normality, company may think, Now we need 140 not 200 and get rid of lots of people.

chaps1954 4th Mar 2020 09:53

racedo that might work for a while but is not sustainable in long term. Where I work they have been cutting staff back by not replacing them when someone leaves,
OK you can cope for a day or two but then somebody goes ill on long term and things are difficult and guess what someone else goes sick and it`s oh shit! and
staff say no more and won`t co-operate by adding extra hours when they are actually trying to reduce them

racedo 4th Mar 2020 11:20

Oh I don't disagree. But unfortunately it will be neither thee or I that makes the decision. It could only run for short term but sadly management woudl still demand it longer term even if can't work.

eu01 4th Mar 2020 17:05

German airline giant Lufthansa said Wednesday it would ground 150 of its more than 750 planes worldwide, days after announcing a slimmed-down timetable over the effects of the novel coronavirus.
"25 long-haul aircraft and 125 short- and medium-haul aircraft" will no longer fly, a spokesman for the group also including carriers Eurowings, Austrian and Swiss told AFP.

Transpond 5th Mar 2020 18:12

Flybe have now collapsed and cite Coronovirus as one of their key reasons for failure. Obviously we know Flybe have been struggling for a while and to blame Coronovirus is simply a lazy excuse, but still, how much did it really impact them?

Has the first domino now fallen?

Jonty 5th Mar 2020 19:16

I think that depends on how long it goes on for. If we’re still talking about it come August then the list might be quite long!

rotorwills 6th Mar 2020 09:37

Having been in a few conversations with general people, the consensus is that no one is planning a summer holiday and most have cancelled or about to cancel booked holidays. It comes to my mind that airlines who loaded with high holiday travellers look to be hit the hardest. Thoughts are focusing on Jet2. We all know they have taken in a number of Airbus leases for this summer, not a good thing to be be doing right now. Expected virus issue is at least 3 months with a peak in that time frame. Actions and words from Government are for delaying the virus, great for health but uncertainty for economics and aviation isn't what our industry wants. I figure the most robust airlines will face major problems, can't help to think that MOL isn't as worried as other CEOs. In his interview he just reiterated no we will not refund, its hard luck if you book a flight with us and don't travel for whatever reason, we have your money and that's that. It works for him. Tin hats wont protect as they used to, that attitude isn't going to work nowadays.

Thoughts go out to all at Flybe people, such a shame they caught in this mess.

racedo 6th Mar 2020 10:15

Yup I go along with your consensus on travel. It will have a massive impact across many countrys including UK as airlines / airports will struggle. UK holidays will have a boon which will be sold as a Brexit benefit by BloJo.

Health triumphs economics as it should.


I figure the most robust airlines will face major problems, can't help to think that MOL isn't as worried as other CEOs. In his interview he just reiterated no we will not refund, its hard luck if you book a flight with us and don't travel for whatever reason, we have your money and that's that. It works for him. Tin hats wont protect as they used to, that attitude isn't going to work nowadays.
Thoughts go out to all at Flybe people, such a shame they caught in this mess.
I think passengers who booked and then decide not to travel will have a hard time getting money back. Unless there was specific outbreak where airlines banned from flying in then there is argueably no case.

UK Govt could demand it and introduce laws but this would open a can of worms so someone could drop out of anything whenever they wanted and get a full refund irrespective of the cost to a business. This only means business will charge higher prices to account for the "we want to change our mind at any time" brigade................. like the stag/hen do who book 30 seats for a weekend in Ibiza and decide last minute not to go ahead.

I know B&Bs in Ireland who now offer last minute cancellation, one I have used in Kerry says his rates are 35% more than 5 years ago, he has to make a living and people booking 5 B&Bs and then deciding night before which one to use, means his 100% potential occupancy could be 20% and little chance of new guests.


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