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fl dutchman 8th Mar 2020 14:51

So does no one ever get better from this virus????
We are constantly told how many new cases there are each day which are added to the running total. So for example Sky are currently reporting the number of people in the UK to "have" the virus is 273.
Why do they not also show the numbers that have recovered and deduct them from the total.
Perhaps it is not sensational enough.
Or maybe its just that no one ever recovers!!

ericlday 8th Mar 2020 15:23

From the 'Express' today.....The tracker shows that of the 106,371 confirmed cases around the globe, 60,093 have recovered - that’s 56 percent of all patients.

racedo 8th Mar 2020 15:45

What the print media are forgetting is that in their rush for hysteria that if for example areas of the Uk are quarantied (likely) then what goes in will be limited and that means Print media as well, nobody will be buying and advertisers will not be paying. The law of unintended consequences will hit editors in an "Oh Sh** I never realised" moment.

eu01 8th Mar 2020 16:00

No, we should not make any statistics that way. The mortality rate in this epidemic looks to be slightly over 3 per cent. Let us consider that in another way. If the preventive measures around the world succeed in reducing the amount of people who get the COVID by 50% and, say, "only" 500 thousand will be infected instead of one million, it would mean avoiding some 15 thousand deaths (3% of 500,000). Is it much? Decide for yourselves.

LBAflyer22 8th Mar 2020 16:12

And with the Sun, Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail already reporting a drop in sales and therefore revenue/profit could lead to them going out of business. Much to the delight of many people. I read somewhere that a local shop is hiding the Sun in the back of the shop as a refusal to sell it.

BRUpax 8th Mar 2020 16:12

People talk about the mortality rate of the epidemic as if it is a grand total. Let's be very clear that it is 3% of those infected. Not all will be infected. Furthermore it should be stressed, yet again, that the vast majority of those deaths (in that 3%) have been in China.

Barling Magna 8th Mar 2020 16:49

Other than for future historians it doesn't really matter what the reality is. It's perceptions that count and if lots of folk think it is too dangerous to fly then they won't. As the corpses pile up (to use media speak) then Joe Bloggs and his family will stay at home.

Transpond 8th Mar 2020 17:24

Confirmed: Lufthansa WILL also ground their entire A380 fleet and have now implemented a hiring freeze as well as offering current employees unpaid leave. That's over half their fleet now grounded. https://onemileatatime.com/lufthansa...ng-a380-fleet/

Virgin Atlantic are expected to announce the retirement of all A340 aircraft with immediate effect next week.

LBAflyer22 8th Mar 2020 17:32


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10706904)
Other than for future historians it doesn't really matter what the reality is. It's perceptions that count and if lots of folk think it is too dangerous to fly then they won't. As the corpses pile up (to use media speak) then Joe Bloggs and his family will stay at home.

That is all brought about by poisonous press. The only real disease here is the press.

AirportPlanner1 8th Mar 2020 18:04

Watched an EZY today arrive/depart to/from Malpensa. 20 inbound, 0 back to Milan. Madness...not just the flying around of fresh air but that the returnees can just wonder off

22/04 8th Mar 2020 19:55


that the returnees can just wonder off
I think if the authorities knew there would be 20 it might be different. But trying to screen large numbers of people e.g. by temperature at an airport is not cost effective.

Spanish eyes 8th Mar 2020 20:09

The way this is spreading I would rather stay in the U.K. When those in southern Italy don’t want those from the north travelling to their region it says a great deal.

racedo 8th Mar 2020 20:49

Got Yankee friends living in Southern Italy, born in very cold northern states, Arizona (30 yrs) and a spot in far east. They stocking up but figure as they live close to local farms that they can also source locally. Also it is an area known for Mafia, in event of Law and Order breakdown, the hidden will not become hidden and maintain a degree of "law and order", the landlord of their place is a local farmer whose niece they knew and helped, so they figure despite underlying health issues they will be ok.

They did send me Mormon list of supplies for a yr (they not LDS) which unless build an extension I would have no chance of storing.

LTNman 8th Mar 2020 21:48

The UK Foreign Office is advising against "all but essential travel" to large parts of northern Italy after they were put in lockdown.

Easyjet are still saying the airports remain open so no refunds. I guess they don’t care as they have the money from existing bookings so why cancel the flights even if they fly empty due to no shows.

Nightstop 8th Mar 2020 22:10

Not so LTNman, watch the News tomorrow..

AirportPlanner1 8th Mar 2020 22:32


Originally Posted by 22/04 (Post 10707029)
I think if the authorities knew there would be 20 it might be different. But trying to screen large numbers of people e.g. by temperature at an airport is not cost effective.

Rubbish. They manage it as a matter of course at major Asian airports, corona or no corona. And shopping centres for that matter, with constant footfall.

Ask yourself how Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand etc have been left standing in the “league table”, vastly overtaken by France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, UK

TartinTon 8th Mar 2020 22:42

Mortality rate of Italy is now 5% - 7,375 infected with 366 deaths....and this will climb as the incubation period is quite long.

OzzyOzBorn 8th Mar 2020 23:29

Not a medic, so just curious. It is reported that "most" patients will experience C-19 as mild cold symptoms. In this case, it seems likely that many infected individuals will pass undetected, perhaps even unaware themselves that they have had anything more than a dose of the sniffles. They won't seek testing, and therefore won't be reflected in the statistics. But those who develop serious symptoms - and die - will be 100% accounted for in the statistics. So it is likely on this basis that the mortality rate expressed as a percentage is overstated.

racedo 9th Mar 2020 00:18

You are correct, mortality is only expressed as a % of CONFIRMED cases. In China at the start if you died before it was confirmed you had Coronavirus then you were not tested after death and you just died.

Treat reported numbers with caution from every source.

CW247 9th Mar 2020 01:23

China appears to be getting back to normal (Wuhan not included). Road Traffic is increasing, air traffic I would guess 70-80% (government is paying airlines to fly for the next month), people are back at work and schools opening. Temperature and 'health' barcode checks remain and larger restaurants still have their chairs on tables to avoid large gatherings, though are offering takeaway.Control over the official narrative, social media and press may have allowed the Chinese to keep the the truth away but has also been instrumental in controlling mass hysteria. At home mass hysteria has resulted in panic buying. Something I have not seen here at all.

Any government of the world knows Humans are largely idiotic, and need to be manipulated for their own good. It happens even in the finest Liberal democracy in the world, just when it happens in China it's a little more overt. On WhatsApp and FB, everyday I get to see grown adults acting immature and irresponsible by sharing pathetically lame conspiracy theories not realising what they're contributing to. 24hr rolling news coverage is exaggerating the reality of the virus and the tabloid press (the Murdoch empire largely speaking) are doing the manipulation in order to sell more stories. The aviation industry is going to sh*t and people losing their jobs because of the breeding of irrational fears. Freedom of speech is a double edged sword and here we see another fine example of it.


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