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racedo 6th Jun 2020 21:34


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10803097)
Incorrect, anyone who thinks they might have it can now order a test

True

A colleague last weekend was unwell. Test was done within 12 hours plus tracking and tracing by employer and results within 48 hrs. He ill just he hasn't got Covid, just some other shitty thing that is hanging around.

LTNman 7th Jun 2020 05:36


Originally Posted by 1-11days (Post 10803127)
Wondering why the govt does not deploy the test capacity better, eg send some of the staff out in a van to care homes or do some sampling of an area to get a background picture?

Probably because the testers can carry out far more tests if the people go to the testers rather than testers go to the people. I would think that home kits are sent out to those that cannot visit test centres but when the delay is factored in for getting results some of the benefits of the results would be lost like track and trace.

Mr A Tis 7th Jun 2020 11:20

Crazy that primary care has been totally bypassed in all this. GPs can't do a test or even arrange one. You have to do it yourself via 111 or 119. Would be easy for anyone seeing a GP or nurse/HCA at their local clinic to be automatically tested.
Instead we have lots of people stood around all day doing little at testing centres like Manchester Airport. Not everyone who needs a test has access to a car anyway.
Primary Care have a good idea what is going on in their local community, not some anonymous call centre.
I waited 5 days for a postal test to arrive- it came via Amazon & they sent two kits instead of one. The GP (with PPE) could have done it on the spot.
At Hong Kong Airport all arrivals are tested & results come in 3-8 hours before you leave the airport. Here, no-one is tested at airport arrivals. Our tests take mostly 24-48 hours for results. WE have a long way to go.

LTNman 7th Jun 2020 15:47


Originally Posted by SCFC1EP (Post 10802392)
UK deaths last 3 days 324/359/176 = 859 in 3 days
Spain 0/0/1 = 1 death in 3 days,
somebody please explain why if I go to Spain tomorrow for a week why do I need to quarantine,

Probably because you will be sitting on a plane with 230 other Brits, staying in a hotel with a thousand other Brits and then sitting on another plane with another 230 Brits. During that week how many Brits will be practicing social distancing?

inOban 7th Jun 2020 16:26

I know that weekend data are unreliable, but today Portugal had more cases per head of population than the UK.

And numbers in the Netherlands have been rising for several days and aren't far short of ours.


Playamar2 7th Jun 2020 16:26

LTNMan you are getting mixed up between lockdown and quarantine. Your scenario could easily apply to flying London to Glasgow and back, and that is why we had lockdown. Quarantine is only effective if other countries have a higher transmission rate than us, which doesn't apply to Spain and most of Europe so the experts say..

DND delivery 7th Jun 2020 17:32


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10804915)
I know that weekend data are unreliable, but today Portugal had more cases per head of population than the UK.

And numbers in the Netherlands have been rising for several days and aren't far short of ours.

The Netherlands changed their testing strategy on the 1st of June, from only targeted testing of people in hospital and vital workers (care staff/teachers etc) to now offering testing to everyone who has symptoms which explains the sudden rise in the last few days. Their deaths and hospital admissions and number of people in IC have consistently declined and today there were 2 deaths, 4 new hospital admissions, 96 people in ICU and 239 new confirmed cases country wide.

racedo 7th Jun 2020 17:34


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10804684)
Crazy that primary care has been totally bypassed in all this. GPs can't do a test or even arrange one. You have to do it yourself via 111 or 119. Would be easy for anyone seeing a GP or nurse/HCA at their local clinic to be automatically tested.

Brighton end of Feb, 1st cases. Shut down GPs surgery, neighbouring surgery as Dr attended both and infected loads of others.

Keeping potentially infected people away from a surgery has always been the strategy otherwise you end up shutting surgeries and wiping out primary care.

GP friend has said in 30 years there has never been a time when all paperwork was up to date. Last 2 months they and pretty much all GP friends have been able to do this. The 3 times weekly demanding appointments people have all decided they don't need to see a GP.

helipixman 7th Jun 2020 17:54


Originally Posted by BigDoris (Post 10803027)
Given the low number of positive cases coming back, I'd also assume some people are taking the piss as they don't ask you to prove your symptoms, some others are probably hypochondriacs and the rest actually genuine.

Thats exactly what I am saying, if there are 200,000 people getting/requesting tests every day, they either think they have symptoms or as you say are just taking the piss. I currently have no symptoms and would not waste anyones time by just going for a test for the hell of it. It clearly states you need to have symptoms to get a test. Something is wrong with the system if just anyone can get one. But then again nothing surprises me in the UK with the ridiculous protesting etc over this weekend. Just goes to prove is anyone listening to the advice anymore, yes the sensible people of this country are ! Its no wonder why the rest of the world are looking at the UK and do'nt really want us to travel.

helipixman 7th Jun 2020 17:58


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10803097)
Incorrect, anyone who thinks they might have it can now order a test

Did you read my post ?????

I said key workers or anyone who has symptoms can get a test so that includes anyone I think you will find !

PAXboy 7th Jun 2020 18:21

Sadly, we now know that there are some asymptomatic carriers and how do you find them?

inOban 7th Jun 2020 19:19

Absolutely. When they tested everyone in a care home or hospital they found lots of symptomless people. And the Chinese found the same when they tested every single person in Wuhan. It's been suggested that these people don't develop antibodies and remain infections for a long time.

SCFC1EP 7th Jun 2020 20:55

LTNMan you are getting mixed up between lockdown and quarantine. Your scenario could easily apply to flying London to Glasgow and back, and that is why we had lockdown. Quarantine is only effective if other countries have a higher transmission rate than us, which doesn't apply to Spain and most of Europe so the experts say..

Quite right Playamar2
Quarantine is only effective if other countries have a higher transmission rate than us, which doesn't apply to Spain and most of Europe so the experts say..
I've got a meeting in Spain that I must attend after 01/07/20 I fly in/out of Spain same day and actually in Spain around 9 hours from arrival to departure so you can say probably 3 hours will be in the Airport 30 minute travel each way to meeting not using public transport but when I arrive in UK I have to quarantine for 14 days wheres the logic,
I could travel by train Manchester to London roughly same time that I would be on aircraft get on a tube to meeting in London and return home same day no quarantine, I would more likely be in more contact with other people going to London.
How many people make a day return trip into Europe, but not now because you need to quarantine because you will have been in a less affected country for a few hours and in that time you are very likely to catch covid-19

LTNMAN people going on Holiday to Spain etc, it's still not going to be as busy as normal summer periods, we know that the disease spreads less when outside social distance on a beach no problem, hotels that open are not allowed full capacity so less sunbeds around the pool and these will be spread out so you'll be in your own group together, hotels have strict guidelines to follow,

Most bars and restaurants open you will be sat out on terraces again in the open and spaced out as again can not open at full capacity

I'll take my chance better than getting on the tube in London with people who been on a march with thousands of other people with no social distance at all yet our police and government allows it

Expressflight 8th Jun 2020 06:52

SCFC1EP

Would you mind not shouting at me this early in the morning old boy?

AirportPlanner1 8th Jun 2020 07:55

Also SCFC1EP - folks have been on BLM rallies all across Europe! In Italy they’ve had anti-Covid measures protest too!

SCFC1EP 8th Jun 2020 08:48

Not shouting at all

I copied and paste part of the message and typed the rest it came in all the same text and didn't seem any different before posting,

oldart 8th Jun 2020 08:48

Many people like myself think we had Covid-19 late January early February, obviously thinking it was a winter bug. The problem is even if we are tested and proved to have had the virus, the science is not sure if we can get it or not again. So we have to live with that and treat it like flu, or hope a vaccine comes up. Everyone should know that travelling in a plane is a place where you can pick up a virus, so there has always been a risk. Let's start the flights again, I think the odds of getting this covid-19 virus are the same as getting any other type.

inOban 8th Jun 2020 11:06

The stooge representing the government on the Today program this morning was naturally challenged over quarantining people arriving from NZ. He didn't have a clue, when the obvious response is that such people would have had to fly via at least one intermediate hub such as Qatar or Dubai or Los Angeles all of which are active infection areas, and in the later stages would have been sharing the aircraft with passengers from many different countries most with active virus.


valefan16 8th Jun 2020 12:17


Originally Posted by oldart (Post 10805475)
Many people like myself think we had Covid-19 late January early February, obviously thinking it was a winter bug. The problem is even if we are tested and proved to have had the virus, the science is not sure if we can get it or not again. So we have to live with that and treat it like flu, or hope a vaccine comes up. Everyone should know that travelling in a plane is a place where you can pick up a virus, so there has always been a risk. Let's start the flights again, I think the odds of getting this covid-19 virus are the same as getting any other type.

Potentially, my sister was rushed to hospital first week of January with suspected meningitis, tests ruled this out quickly so they looked at Sepsis and this was ruled out, it was recorded as an diagnosed virus and it wiped her out for weeks after, would be interesting if any antibody tests are carried out to see, i think a couple have shown to have anti body tests already for far before.

Spanish eyes 8th Jun 2020 13:45


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10805629)
The stooge representing the government on the Today program this morning was naturally challenged over quarantining people arriving from NZ. He didn't have a clue, when the obvious response is that such people would have had to fly via at least one intermediate hub such as Qatar or Dubai or Los Angeles all of which are active infection areas, and in the later stages would have been sharing the aircraft with passengers from many different countries most with active virus.

NZ still has a total ban on foreign travel so it is a scenario that won't happen at the moment. It has been that way for nearly 3 months which is why they don't have a problem. Over here we have the whingers who if they live in NZ would have complained about that government as well.


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