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Getaway Turtle 6th Dec 2018 09:45

G-TUMA due out of KEF at 1130 for St. Athan as TOM9009. To be scrapped ? :p

PDXCWL45 6th Dec 2018 10:06


Originally Posted by Getaway Turtle (Post 10329246)
G-TUMA due out of KEF at 1130 for St. Athan as TOM9009. To be scrapped ? :p

Going to Cardiff Aviation to be repaired.

ROC10 6th Dec 2018 10:18


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10329256)
Going to Cardiff Aviation to be repaired.

What happened to it?

PDXCWL45 6th Dec 2018 10:43


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10329265)
What happened to it?

Damaged by a baggage trolley at Keflavik i believe. Idk where but it can't be too bad if it can get to Dgx

LiamNCL 6th Dec 2018 16:44

Circled in Wales and then went to MAN

Trev4521 11th Dec 2018 19:16

Why is TUI cancelling the holidays to Florida and Mexico in 2020?? From EMA

PDXCWL45 11th Dec 2018 19:33


Originally Posted by Trev4521 (Post 10333455)
Why is TUI cancelling the holidays to Florida and Mexico in 2020?? From EMA

They are moving Cancun to DSA and Orlando to BHX where they will be 2 weekly.

ROC10 12th Dec 2018 13:18

G-TUMB has been delivered to MAN. Also G-TUMA is back to MAN from KEF without incident this week thankfully.

SE-RFX (soon to be G-TAWY) has been operating from MAN under its Swedish reg and in its old Nordic livery. Does anyone know when this will be re-registered/painted?

azz767 12th Dec 2018 14:49


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10334008)
G-TUMB has been delivered to MAN. Also G-TUMA is back to MAN from KEF without incident this week thankfully.

SE-RFX (soon to be G-TAWY) has been operating from MAN under its Swedish reg and in its old Nordic livery. Does anyone know when this will be re-registered/painted?

Out of interest does anybody know why the Nordic division haven't updated their livery in line with the rest of the TUI group? G-OBYK is still in the old full sky blue livery and flies up in the scandi's all year.

ROC10 12th Dec 2018 15:19


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10334078)
Out of interest does anybody know why the Nordic division haven't updated their livery in line with the rest of the TUI group? G-OBYK is still in the old full sky blue livery and flies up in the scandi's all year.

As per one of my earlier posts, TUIfly Nordic would appear to be closing down so would be a bit pointless. G-OBYK is actually in the TOM fleet (but has never been based in the UK) which confused me before but this may be the reason why. OBYK is not in a Nordic livery, just a generic plain blue TUI livery. At the moment they only have 1x738 (old Nordic livery) and 1x7M8 (new TUI livery). Two of their ex-738s are joining the TOM fleet, in fact, as I mentioned one is already flying TOM flights from MAN under its current reg and in old livery.

Cloud1 12th Dec 2018 19:18


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10334100)


As per one of my earlier posts, TUIfly Nordic would appear to be closing down so would be a bit pointless. G-OBYK is actually in the TOM fleet (but has never been based in the UK) which confused me before but this may be the reason why. OBYK is not in a Nordic livery, just a generic plain blue TUI livery. At the moment they only have 1x738 (old Nordic livery) and 1x7M8 (new TUI livery). Two of their ex-738s are joining the TOM fleet, in fact, as I mentioned one is already flying TOM flights from MAN under its current reg and in old livery.

I am not sure I agree with you about them closing down. Does anyone know how many aircraft Novair have? They are SE reg operating similar charter flying

Gurnard 13th Dec 2018 08:06


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10334280)


I am not sure I agree with you about them closing down. Does anyone know how many aircraft Novair have? They are SE reg operating similar charter flying

Novair operate two A321-251Ns - SE-RKA & RKB.

oldbalboy 13th Dec 2018 17:10

Nordic are not closing down ROC10, they are just reducing 3 lines of flying from smaller bases as its more cost effective to use the likes of DY, the larger bases are fine & 767's fly summer as well as winter from Sweden.

Jet2_GLA 15th Dec 2018 23:56


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10329279)
Damaged by a baggage trolley at Keflavik i believe. Idk where but it can't be too bad if it can get to Dgx

it was a Swissport baggage lorry. Not surprised.

caaardiff 16th Dec 2018 10:16


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10336634)


it was a Swissport baggage lorry. Not surprised.

Interesting and bold statement....
Considering Swissport don't operate in KEF

https://www.isavia.is/en/corporate/business/keflavik-airport/aviation/airport-information/ground-handling

ROC10 8th Jan 2019 17:50

Anyone know why FDZT flew MAN-SOF today? Is it for major maintenance checks? FDZR has been there since 11 December. I was thinking perhaps the crew that flew FDZT down today may have flown FDZR back to MAN but this doesn’t appear to have happened.

Jet2_GLA 11th Jan 2019 20:46


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10355277)
Anyone know why FDZT flew MAN-SOF today? Is it for major maintenance checks? FDZR has been there since 11 December. I was thinking perhaps the crew that flew FDZT down today may have flown FDZR back to MAN but this doesn’t appear to have happened.

I don’t know why - but will find out for you. I’m not sure why this is, maybe leaving the fleet as they welcome the Max’s as we seen FDZA & ZJ left late 2018 for the Max’s. But Don’t quote me in that.

Stuart

Jet2_GLA 11th Jan 2019 20:55


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10358309)


I don’t know why - but will find out for you. I’m not sure why this is, maybe leaving the fleet as they welcome the Max’s as we seen FDZA & ZJ left late 2018 for the Max’s. But Don’t quote me in that.

Stuart

yes G-FDZR is back not too sure what happened to it and what’s happening with ZT at the moment as maintenance checks are in the UK for TUI.

Jet2_GLA 11th Jan 2019 20:56


Originally Posted by caaardiff (Post 10336846)
Interesting and bold statement....
Considering Swissport don't operate in KEF

https://www.isavia.is/en/corporate/b...round-handling

just seen it there, I was told swissport sorry.


Gurnard 14th Jan 2019 18:05

BBC Rip-Off Britain
Tomorrow this programme will be covering the story of a family flying from Mahon to Birmingham with TUI last June. On boarding they found the seats for Row 41 had been removed, so for most of the flight they were seated on the floor! TUI initially offered £30 as a goodwill gesture but upped the compensation when faced with media publicity. The "excuse" for there being no Row 41 DEF was there had been an aircraft change. Not surprisingly the CAA is investigating. Can hardly believe this. Anyone know which was the aircraft concerned?

GayFriendly 14th Jan 2019 18:28

Seated on the floor???!!

I was cabin crew for over 15 years and never faced this issue, seating problems yes but never not enough seats, even when there were aircraft changes.....in any case our SOP's would simply not allow for this to happen! I seriously can't believe TUI allowed it to happen.

I will have to watch this TV show just to satisfy my incredulity.

Cloud1 14th Jan 2019 18:41

There must be more than meets the eye here and I suspect those involved are pursuing the claim culture that has grown over the years. The airline wouldn’t have let them sit on the floor for the flight - maybe they elected to sit on the floor whilst at cruise for whatever reasons. Tomorrow will be good to watch.


Jet2_GLA 14th Jan 2019 19:25


Originally Posted by Gurnard (Post 10360590)
BBC Rip-Off Britain
Tomorrow this programme will be covering the story of a family flying from Mahon to Birmingham with TUI last June. On boarding they found the seats for Row 41 had been removed, so for most of the flight they were seated on the floor! TUI initially offered £30 as a goodwill gesture but upped the compensation when faced with media publicity. The "excuse" for there being no Row 41 DEF was there had been an aircraft change. Not surprisingly the CAA is investigating. Can hardly believe this. Anyone know which was the aircraft concerned?

I think it was a Scheduled Boeing 767 changed to a Boeing 757


Gurnard 14th Jan 2019 20:27


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10360624)
There must be more than meets the eye here and I suspect those involved are pursuing the claim culture that has grown over the years. The airline wouldn’t have let them sit on the floor for the flight - maybe they elected to sit on the floor whilst at cruise for whatever reasons. Tomorrow will be good to watch.


Technically the airline may not have let them sit on the floor but the crew on that flight did. The BBC pre-programme blurb states:-

A family returning from holiday found they had no seats once they had boarded their plane and spent part of the flight sitting on the floor.

Despite having boarding passes, the Taylor family found empty spaces where their seats should have been.

The family, from Alcester, Warwickshire, had paid £1,300 and were flying from Mahon in Menorca to Birmingham with TUI airlines.

The Civil Aviation Authority is looking into the matter.

The family raised the issue with BBC One programme Rip Off Britain: Holiday.

Paula Taylor told the show that she, her husband and 10-year-old daughter had got to the airport early, in June, to make sure they were seated together.

Their seat numbers were 41 D, E and F. But when they got on the plane there was an empty space underneath the numbers.

"We all just looked at each other as if to say 'where's our seats gone?'," Mrs Taylor said.

Once all the passengers had boarded there was just one seat left. Mrs Taylor's daughter Brooke was given that seat while she and her husband were given flip-up seats in the crew section.

But once the flight had taken off, crew were busy serving food and other items stored behind those seats and Mr and Mrs Taylor had to go and sit on the floor, in the space their seats should have been. They were joined by Brooke as she did not want to sit alone.

The family say they were thanked by the plane crew for their understanding.

But Mrs Taylor says she was given short shrift when she raised the matter with TUI and was eventually offered a goodwill gesture of £30.

After the family contacted Rip Off Britain, TUI refunded their fares and said a "last-minute aircraft change" meant the family's assigned seats were unavailable, as the alternative aircraft had a different seating configuration.

It said it was "sorry for the way the situation was initially handled" and will contact the family directly to apologise.

The company has been contacted for further comment by BBC Online.

The Civil Aviation Authority says while passengers are allowed to sit in crew seats under certain conditions, they must not be left unseated during any stage of the flight.

It told Rip-Off Britain it would be contacting TUI for an explanation.

The episode will be broadcast on BBC One at 9.15am on Tuesday 15 January


Should have thought the CAA would be very interested. Wonder how TUI will explain that one and what the CAA will do?

Cloud1 14th Jan 2019 21:11

Ahh ok so there is more to this then thank you for sharing the full text. I guess what needs to be explained is why the seats were missing and why the customers were not told in advance. I wonder if there were any other crew seats that wouldn’t have been close to the galley areas that could have been used.

flybar 14th Jan 2019 21:29


Originally Posted by Cloud1 (Post 10360765)
Ahh ok so there is more to this then thank you for sharing the full text. I guess what needs to be explained is why the seats were missing and why the customers were not told in advance. I wonder if there were any other crew seats that wouldn’t have been close to the galley areas that could have been used.

There are 67 posts on this subject under 'Rumours & News'

Unbelievable - family forced to sit in the aeroplane floor

Don't think we need duplication!

Packer27L 14th Jan 2019 21:31

A bit of a sensationalist story that is now sadly becoming typical of BBC journalism - surely any cabin crew wouldn’t risk seating pax in a seat not suitable for pax travel, knowing the potential consequences? There must be more context than that ‘reported’ upon.

ROC10 14th Jan 2019 21:40


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10360660)


I think it was a Scheduled Boeing 767 changed to a Boeing 757


767s are not scheduled on s/h routes from BHX. Either the flight was knowingly overbooked (seems unlikely) or some of TUI's 757s have a row 41 and others don't. If this is the case, why would they swap to an aircraft without row 41? Somehow I really can’t quite believe this is true, it would be absolutely shocking if it is...

rog747 15th Jan 2019 06:56

there is already a whole thread going about the elusive missing Row 41DEF on Pprune rumours and news - go have a peek

DaveReidUK 15th Jan 2019 08:35


Originally Posted by ROC10 (Post 10360788)
Either the flight was knowingly overbooked (seems unlikely) or some of TUI's 757s have a row 41 and others don't.

Neither of the above. See the R&N thread.

ROC10 23rd Jan 2019 23:06

I’ve attached what I (roughly) expect the aircraft basings to be for S19, however I doubt all bases are correct. Can anyone offer any more insight? I’m less sure of LGW and MAN as I mostly just assigned these numbers based on what was left after all other bases (i.e. LGW seems to have a fairly small number of s/h aircraft based compared to BHX for example, however I do believe Norwegian operate some flights form there on behalf of TOM). This assumes TOM have 6 737 MAX 8 aircraft for summer, the usual 33 738s, 10 757s, 2 767s (with the other two being Nordic based), 8 788s and 4 789s. Jethros suggests two more 789s will be delivered in third quarter, which, if correct, could be in time for peak summer, but not necessarily since this could be right up until the end of September. I have therefore not included these but presume these would be LGW/MAN based if they do arrive. Unsure on further MAX deliveries.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....86914f74e.jpeg

Jet2_GLA 24th Jan 2019 13:05

I believe Newcastle is receiving 1 max in April and Doncaster has 1 max from April

boeing_eng 24th Jan 2019 13:06

LTN should be 1 x 738 & 1 x757 (like last summer) There may be a some additional "W" pattern 738 flights depending on how the program finally settles down!

rog747 24th Jan 2019 14:36

I see the Bath Travel family is back again with 2 day trips from BOH to Venice at Easter using a TOM 737-800.
Hays Travel are selling the tickets for Bath.
I just booked 3 seats as a family surprise - awesome !!

Last time with Bath/Palmair we did their Cairo and Luxor day trips - good old days on a Monarch 757 - Cracking days out.

This time a 738 of TOM - hot brekkie and hot dinner both ways included
Bath are selling 175 seats out of 189 on both flights - I guess the other seats are for Bath Family/staff, tour guides and Press etc...

pamann 24th Jan 2019 14:54


Last time with Bath/Palmair we did their Cairo and Luxor day trips - good old days on a Monarch 757 - Cracking days out.
Are you for real!?

Cairo/Luxor for a day trip from BOH!?

People actually did that??

WOW 😱

shamrock7seal 24th Jan 2019 15:30

They sold out their first Luxor within a few weeks so they put a 2nd one on and I booked on that one. It was an early start and got back just after midnight. Was exhausting but fun. Full flight!

ROC10 24th Jan 2019 17:24


Originally Posted by Jet2_GLA (Post 10369412)
I believe Newcastle is receiving 1 max in April and Doncaster has 1 max from April

I could be wrong but I believe these bases will only see some occasional flights on the MAX in April rather than being actual MAX bases. Anyone else know for sure?

ROC10 24th Jan 2019 17:25


Originally Posted by boeing_eng (Post 10369415)
LTN should be 1 x 738 & 1 x757 (like last summer) There may be a some additional "W" pattern 738 flights depending on how the program finally settles down!

Ah okay thanks, I'll change that, I'm assuming that 737 should be LGW/MAN-based. I read somewhere that LTN is going back to three based aircraft but I haven't had the time to actually go through the timetables.

rog747 24th Jan 2019 17:36


Originally Posted by pamann (Post 10369519)


Are you for real!?

Cairo/Luxor for a day trip from BOH!?

People actually did that??

WOW ��


YUP - and sold out in 2 days after going on sale
Bath Travel did day trips from 1993 until 2010 when they sadly closed down and sold out to Hays Travel.

Besides operating their own ''Palmair'' package holidays to the Med Madeira and the Canaries using their own Palmair painted and crewed 146-300 at first,
then a 737-200 and also a 1-11 500 from European Aviation (then a full paint job on a 737-500 leased from Astraeus)

The day trips went to Iceland Jersey Cairo Luxor Prague Venice among 40 other destinations - On some of the longer flights Monarch 757's were used.
They also did a 4 day Xmas shopping trip to NYC from BOH using a 747-236 of EAA.

737James 24th Jan 2019 18:32

The base plans are interesting as I understood from some TUI crew that BHX was getting a Max in 2019 from June to be used on the longer sectors like LCA,PFO and HRG ? That is the reason some people have had their flight times changed recently on these routes so that the Max aircraft can do two longer routes a day so most cost effective.

This does make sense of it doing the longer sectors rather than doing LGW-PMI on a regular basis, We shall have to see how the fleet plans progress


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