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sixchannel 12th Jun 2018 14:39

Jersey?
 
Question for those in the Jet2 know - maybe its it's been happening for ages but I have just seen that Jet2 operate some Leeds -Jersey flights but cant see any Jet2 associated holidays. So - is this just a Summer flight thing amd will it ever get opened out to other bases like BHX?

BHD2BFS 12th Jun 2018 14:39

Does anyone know why BFS is the only airport Jet2 don’t self handle at? Will they ever?

BHX5DME 12th Jun 2018 15:04

I believe they only self handle when they reach a particular number of based units, so BHX has gone self handling this year as we have 9 based a/c

Plane.Silly 12th Jun 2018 15:29

I heard the magic number for them is 7 a/c before self handling, which is why every base bar BFS (4 a/c) has it

Mooncrest 12th Jun 2018 17:39

Jet2 do not self-handle at Newcastle, Glasgow and Edinburgh, not just Belfast.

lbalad 12th Jun 2018 18:35

Jersey
 

Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10171417)
Question for those in the Jet2 know - maybe its it's been happening for ages but I have just seen that Jet2 operate some Leeds -Jersey flights but cant see any Jet2 associated holidays. So - is this just a Summer flight thing amd will it ever get opened out to other bases like BHX?

Jet2holidays do offer Jersey,its listed under channel islands.As far as I know its a summer only route may to sept.I booked flights for £75 return for a weekend in Sept,and brand new premier inn separately.

sixchannel 12th Jun 2018 18:40


Originally Posted by lbalad (Post 10171573)
Jet2holidays do offer Jersey,its listed under channel islands.As far as I know its a summer only route may to sept.I booked flights for £75 return for a weekend in Sept,and brand new premier inn separately.

Quite so. But Leeds only AFAICT. I see no listing from MAN or BHX using the Jet2com App anyway.

Plane.Silly 13th Jun 2018 06:59

Correct, just LBAJER, no MAN/BHX/STN option.
They've been dipping their toe in the water with the shorter flights (EGC and LRH). so it might be on the cards, who knows?
The big problem for them though, is would they be able to fill a B738 on these short sectors (since Jet2 are phasing the B733 out and MAN/BHX/STN have no B733's based). 189 seats might be too much for them.
Routes like that would be better suited to smaller A/c. Flybe's -8's and E-jets spring to mind as suitable, but they're just incompatable with Jet2 and their core market

PDXCWL45 13th Jun 2018 07:10


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10171858)
Correct, just LBAJER, no MAN/BHX/STN option.
They've been dipping their toe in the water with the shorter flights (EGC and LRH). so it might be on the cards, who knows?
The big problem for them though, is would they be able to fill a B738 on these short sectors (since Jet2 are phasing the B733 out and MAN/BHX/STN have no B733's based). 189 seats might be too much for them.
Routes like that would be better suited to smaller A/c. Flybe's -8's and E-jets spring to mind as suitable, but they're just incompatable with Jet2 and their core market

Another option would be to partner up with Flybe and uae them for the flights. A partnership with Flybe could give Jet2 holidays the option of including smaller airport's in their network without having to open bases.

azz767 13th Jun 2018 09:48


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10171858)
Correct, just LBAJER, no MAN/BHX/STN option.
They've been dipping their toe in the water with the shorter flights (EGC and LRH). so it might be on the cards, who knows?
The big problem for them though, is would they be able to fill a B738 on these short sectors (since Jet2 are phasing the B733 out and MAN/BHX/STN have no B733's based). 189 seats might be too much for them.
Routes like that would be better suited to smaller A/c. Flybe's -8's and E-jets spring to mind as suitable, but they're just incompatable with Jet2 and their core market

i may be wrong but I'm sure it's because the 738 is too big for jersey. The EZY 319 seems to be pushing it every time I land there, I think it's LBA only as MAN, BHX etc don't have 733's. I know TOM used to operate the 733 their before they got rid of their final two examples. Again I assume they binned it because jersey can't handle a 738

Bam Thwok 13th Jun 2018 10:42


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10171971)


i may be wrong but I'm sure it's because the 738 is too big for jersey. The EZY 319 seems to be pushing it every time I land there, I think it's LBA only as MAN, BHX etc don't have 733's. I know TOM used to operate the 733 their before they got rid of their final two examples. Again I assume they binned it because jersey can't handle a 738

You’re entirely right..... it’s down to landing performance. Even in one of the new SFP 800’s it’s very limited.
Landing Rwy26 on an ISA day on a wet runway would only allow for a payload of around 10 ton..... that’s bout 100-110 pax.

Plane.Silly 13th Jun 2018 12:08


Another option would be to partner up with Flybe and uae them for the flights. A partnership with Flybe could give Jet2 holidays the option of including smaller airport's in their network without having to open bases.
A very intriguing and valid suggestion. I suspect ultimately they wouldn't go for it as they seem to pride themselves on using their own crew/planes for the entire package.
Before the B733 is scrapped for good, another thought would be to operate W patterns (i.e LBA-JER-MAN-JER-BHX-JER-LBA [on a short sector they could probably squeeze 3 rotations per day]


that’s bout 100-110 pax.
Perfect for a -8 then :)

sixchannel 13th Jun 2018 12:19

The end of the -300s?
 
So maybe Jet2 are just getting the most out of the remaining G-CEL series while they can. Don't know how many are left now.
After that it looks like JER will go. Are the two French airfields -800 capable?
Cant see them tying up with anyone permanently. Jet2 seem fiercely Brand and airframe loyal. Unless of course, they draft in Summer Renters with Jet2 basic graphics.

azz767 13th Jun 2018 12:46

I'm surprised was they never went for 737-700's to replace the 733's for thinner routes and smaller bases, using the old jet2 method of cherry picking solid used frames and maintaining them impeccably. cant imagine them being too hard to source

sixchannel 13th Jun 2018 17:34


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 10172302)
Not at all, it is all down to overall cost, not just of deals on the airframe but all aspects of operating the aircraft, engineering costs, flight crew costs, traning, buying sims, fuel, engine wear life and overhall costs, push back kit etc etc etc. They look at everything in minute detail and do what is best for the business.


Brand loyalty is zero unless it gets BIG discounts.

As a retired very senior Purchasing Professional that is Music to my ears. So good to know that there is tight control on costs. As I used to bang on to my trainee buyers - it's not just about the purchase price. Its the TCP - the total cost of that purchase as so well put above. Amen.

Buster the Bear 13th Jun 2018 18:25

One more remaining airframe at Lasham from the 4 ex Transaero B738s and this is currently undergoing heavy maintenance prior to delivery.

sixchannel 14th Jun 2018 08:40


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10172341)
One more remaining airframe at Lasham from the 4 ex Transaero B738s and this is currently undergoing heavy maintenance prior to delivery.

Is that a lovely euphemism for realising you bought a Banger and are busy rebuilding it from the ground up? 😀

OltonPete 14th Jun 2018 18:44

YL-LCV
 

Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10169841)
Having managed to drag LS1203/4 from a slightly late ex BHX departure to slightly early return landing, the departure of LS1229 to FUE two hours later was an hour late out of the blocks. How does this occur ---Smartwings LCLCY has managed this feat on its 3 consecutive fortnightly rotations?

Not posting this to deliberately to wind you up as I am sure you would have found out anyway but your favourite aircraft only made a quick skip to Northern France this afternoon on BHX--RHO and is now back at BHX with a 757 on turnaround to recover the schedule. To be fair to it this week had been quite good until today. Nothing on Jet2 to say if it was medical (and thus crew hours) or technical but excellent recovery again by Jet2 - The 321 landed 16.47 and the 757 was in BHX within a couple of hours although it appears to have been resting since 11 June per FR24.

Pete

Pete

sixchannel 14th Jun 2018 19:04


Originally Posted by OltonPete (Post 10173064)
Not posting this to deliberately to wind you up as I am sure you would have found out anyway but your favourite aircraft only made a quick skip to Northern France this afternoon on BHX--RHO and is now back at BHX with a 757 on turnaround to recover the schedule. To be fair to it this week had been quite good until today. Nothing on Jet2 to say if it was medical (and thus crew hours) or technical but excellent recovery again by Jet2 - The 321 landed 16.47 and the 757 was in BHX within a couple of hours although it appears to have been resting since 11 June per FR24.

Pete

Pete

Not at all, Pete.
If its Tech, its turning out not the most reliable Renter. I did see the 757 do a MAN-BHX Now i know why. Jet2 seem pretty capable of recovering a duff situation.
But hey, guess who's on LS1229 on Sunday? I wouldnt take a bet against it being "my favourite aircraft". I has been on the 3 previous fortnightly rotations. Wonder what time we'll get there? Lol

sixchannel 16th Jun 2018 11:03

EXS051B?
 
G-GDFD just departed MAN at 11.54 with no destination declared on FR24. Its a MAN based aircraft and at the momet looks to be heading out over Irish Sea. Is EXS051B a training flight code or is it a rescue month mission to Belfast? Just nosey.
EDIT - I think i just answered myself. Code used on previous two days for what looking like MAN-MAN training flights.

sixchannel 16th Jun 2018 18:39


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 10174595)
Not training, post maintenance serviceability flight.

​​Training flights would involve base (circuit) flying.

Many thanks for the insight, Council Van

El Bunto 16th Jun 2018 19:19

Just from observation, EXS03_A and EXS04_A are positioning codes. They don't seem to correlate with the origin airport so perhaps they indicate something about the flight. Swap versus recovery, perhaps? I'll have to keep an eye open.

EXS05__ are test flights, as noted above.

The Chieftain G-IFIT just files as GIFIT.

sixchannel 17th Jun 2018 07:51


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 10174847)
Never gave it that much thought, use whatever is on the paper work but oddly enough I won't be bothering operations to ask how the system works.

Aw, go on. on.Allow us our little obsessions! ;-)
Happy Sunday

True Blue 21st Jun 2018 15:40

Has anyone any idea why Jet2 never moved up from the -300 to the -400, before going on to the -800? Just curious.

GLAEDI 21st Jun 2018 17:40

-300, -400, -500 are the same generation of B737 Aircraft replaced by the -700, -800, -900 Series which are getting replaced by the Max series. No new -400 so you‘d be buying an old airframe most are being sent to Victorville as no market due to age and running costs

Plane.Silly 22nd Jun 2018 07:20

I would have thought the economics of running a 300 vs 400 would have been similar (scaled for the extra 30/40 pax) so i would share your curiousity TB.

A quick google search showed that the 300 outsold the 400 by 2.5 to 1. So maybe it was all about not finding available aircraft. then when the flood of used 800's appeared on the scene, it was the ideal time to get in on the action. Before Jet2's first 800 in 2011, they had use of B733's and B752's, so they knew about selling more seats than the 300, but on slightly weaker routes than the B752 could handle.

rowly6339 22nd Jun 2018 11:33

Flew with Jet2 for the first time this week from man and must say not very impressed, reason being I was sat on the aircraft for nearly one and a half hours while we waited for the bags to be loaded. Do jet2 outsource this or is it in house?

The96er 22nd Jun 2018 12:00


Do jet2 outsource this or is it in house?
Jet2 do their own handling at MAN and are by far the most well resourced in terms of equipment and manpower. So there may well of been an other issue going on there.

Johnny F@rt Pants 22nd Jun 2018 15:19

Unless of course the airport infrastructure let them down and the baggage hall had “issues”.

sixchannel 22nd Jun 2018 15:52

In defence of YL-LCV lol
 
Having railed on about the lousy timekeeping of YL-LCV on the fortnightly Sunday LS1229, BHX-FUE a word in praise, sort of.
We flew on June 17 - massively late t/o again (75 mins) no doubt due to the Norwegian chaos of the previous day, diverting it to MAN and late repo back to BHX, it recovered to only 25mins late in FUE. Excellent. But then again, it never takes 4hr20 anyway, the declared flight time.
Returned on Wednesday LS1230 on newish JZHM, 20 mins late on t/o, even though the incoming LS1229 landed on time but the red-eye back to BHX 15mins early.
Cabin crews both ways lovely, friendly as always but I'm beginning to hate Jet2s horrid mock-pop background music. I know its supposed to mark the Brand as fresh, modern, 'groovy', of the people even, but its a dreadful dirge and is now getting on my wick as are the pre-recorded Announcements with their over-excited voices.
However 6 flights in this year (replacing dear old Monarch) I am enjoying it all.

Ivan aromer 22nd Jun 2018 20:43

Jet2 musak
 
[QUOTE=sixchannel;10179338
Cabin crews both ways lovely, friendly as always but I'm beginning to hate Jet2s horrid mock-pop background music. I know its supposed to mark the Brand as fresh, modern, 'groovy', of the people even, but its a dreadful dirge and is now getting on my wick as are the pre-recorded Announcements with their over-excited voices.
However 6 flights in this year (replacing dear old Monarch) I am enjoying it all.[/QUOTE]


Yes I agree the musak is really awful. Not slick (like TUI) or catchy, (like well almost anbody else) The Jet2 TV ad makes me want to throw up!

ssflyer 22nd Jun 2018 22:22


Originally Posted by rowly6339 (Post 10179183)
Flew with Jet2 for the first time this week from man and must say not very impressed, reason being I was sat on the aircraft for nearly one and a half hours while we waited for the bags to be loaded. Do jet2 outsource this or is it in house?

I had exactly the reverse experience both at BHX and on return from GRO
Delightful check-in and boarding staff,brand new aircraft.luggage and pax swiftly boarded and also cheerful and efficient crew.
Puts FR to shame.
SSF

Plane.Silly 23rd Jun 2018 08:11

Reported on Cardiff thread by PDXCWL45:

Jet2s G-IFIT which ferries their management and engineers about was at Cardiff for 5 hours yesterday, landed from LBA at 08.50 and departed back at 13.55. Would be great to think that it was there bringing in Jet2 management for talks with the airport about a base!"
Would certainly be an interesting premise. The only area not served by Jet2 is the South west. closest being BHX. So eventually they would have to be looking at the likes of CWL/BRS. Out of the 2 i would have pegged BRS for the job, but that's quite full. LS wouldn't have a problem taking every other airline on, they seem to thrive on it. I suppose CWL would provide the freedom of slots/ parking they would need, and CWL get a high profile, big-spender in the airport to boost figures.

Anyone else care to join in?

Mr A Tis 23rd Jun 2018 08:36

Overheard on a recent flight from a pax behind me..." I've seen Jess Glynne in concert, but I've heard more of her on this flight than the concert" Yes. it's driving everyone nuts.

castleford tiger 23rd Jun 2018 09:16

How long before "Ladies and Gentlemen , Boys and Girls " gets banned for not being PC.
At school everything is now non gender specific!!

Tiger

2Planks 23rd Jun 2018 11:16


Originally Posted by castleford tiger (Post 10179807)
How long before "Ladies and Gentlemen , Boys and Girls " gets banned for not being PC.
At school everything is now non gender specific!!

Tiger

I don't know but I bet the first complaint will come from the 'southern base' not from here in York!!

Good to see all the Jet2 adverts on the London Underground the other day, there were many that said the low cost and package holiday mixed model was dead or for the north only. How wrong they were and well done to the Management.

sixchannel 23rd Jun 2018 11:58


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10179753)
Reported on Cardiff thread by PDXCWL45:


Would certainly be an interesting premise. The only area not served by Jet2 is the South west. closest being BHX. So eventually they would have to be looking at the likes of CWL/BRS. Out of the 2 i would have pegged BRS for the job, but that's quite full. LS wouldn't have a problem taking every other airline on, they seem to thrive on it. I suppose CWL would provide the freedom of slots/ parking they would need, and CWL get a high profile, big-spender in the airport to boost figures.

Anyone else care to join in?

Surely to serve the "south west" it has to be Exeter. BRS is full and often chaos, CWL is way too far away and wrong side of Bristol Channel for south west England.

PDXCWL45 23rd Jun 2018 13:09


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10179926)
Surely to serve the "south west" it has to be Exeter. BRS is full and often chaos, CWL is way too far away and wrong side of Bristol Channel for south west England.

Could be both CWL and EXT!

marko1 23rd Jun 2018 13:49

Jet2 have bases at both Edinburgh and Glasgow so why not Cardiff and Bristol ?

gazza007 23rd Jun 2018 13:51


Originally Posted by sixchannel (Post 10179338)
Cabin crews both ways lovely, friendly as always but I'm beginning to hate Jet2s horrid mock-pop background music. I know its supposed to mark the Brand as fresh, modern, 'groovy', of the people even, but its a dreadful dirge and is now getting on my wick as are the pre-recorded Announcements with their over-excited voices.

Couldn't agree more, just like their TV adverts very Chavvy


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