Originally Posted by 29Alpha
(Post 10214733)
u have to be careful about this, special assistance isnt really disability, vertigo and other medical conditions can warrant special assistance.
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My guess is some wheelchairs are wider in the UK than other places hence obese people can’t fit in them so they have to waddle off the aircraft at the other end. |
Originally Posted by Ivan aromer
(Post 10214778)
Come on! Its people playing the system. We all do it to a greater or lesser extent. Who hasn't tried it on? Who travels with an gigantic "carry on" baggage plus a large handbag and get VERY huffy when its declined. Most of the time you get away with it. Dont you! In this specific Jet2 incident, the boy is 10 years old and he has The medical condition and it's effects are very obvious at age 10 and particularly if his parents went to the effort of requesting special assistance when booking with Jet2 and their booking confirmation will have been issued including special assistance requests then Jet2 have a contractual duty of care to ensure the passengers requiring special assistance needs are handled accordingly. It is Jet2's responsibility to review the passenger manifest and identify passengers presenting for boarding as requiring special assistance are provided the required assistance at the boarding gate by collaboration with the despatcher and ground handling agents. I do not accept an airline can absolve their duty of care particularly towards vulnerable passengers who have specifically requested special assistance, especially in cases where there is a medical necessity. If the handling agent are responsible then this shouldn't have been allowed develop had the cabin manager checked to ensure special assistance passengers were on the manifest and taken direct responsibility to ensure the passenger was provided dignity and respect in the provision of services. End of. Jet2 have questions to answer, as too does the handling partner in their processes and procedures. |
Surely the Cabin Manager was at 37,000ft en route when the passenger was checking in. Just how could it be his responsibility?
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Originally Posted by gojmc
(Post 10214259)
menzies don’t handle Easyjet at Liverpool, It’s a dedicated opetation from smart handling (swissport, previously servisair). Omniserve provide PRM assistance and have a really good reputation. Apologies, typo error, meant Swissport ..still awful |
Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 10215083)
Does any one bother to read the news article?
Jet 2 were aware of the request from the passnger but had failed to forward that information to the handling agents in Croatia. They have held their hands up and accepted responsibility, it was an administrative mistake. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215218)
But the parents have to go running to the media. Regrettably this is becoming a regular occurrence with the disability sector of the population. 99.9% of the population would have accepted the apology.
Jet2 clearly made a mistake, admitted it, apologised and offered a generous gift voucher. Parents highly offended and said its not about money... well what is it about? They had an apology. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215218)
But the parents have to go running to the media. Regrettably this is becoming a regular occurrence with the disability sector of the population. 99.9% of the population would have accepted the apology.
These days with Twitter, everybody having a reasonable quality stills/movie camera on their phone it's pretty easy for the media to pick up stories and the pictures to back them up. Even if the parents did wilfully chase media coverage it's hardly behaviour unique to those with disabilities or their carers. Getting it in the public eye emphasises the message to this airline to up its game and will be a salutatory reminder to the others too. Did Jet2 'fes up and apologise/compensate before the headlines were hit ? I'd say the most egregious chasers of media coverage are 'wronged' motorists: Roofer fined by London council for having a rubbish bag in his van | London - ITV News As ever the 'wronged' is in his head. He works in a field, roofing, that generates trade waste; he needs a permit. |
Originally Posted by Lee J
(Post 10215257)
I read the article and wondered... what is it the parents want.
Jet2 clearly made a mistake, admitted it, apologised and offered a generous gift voucher. Parents highly offended and said its not about money... well what is it about? They had an apology. |
Originally Posted by Curious Pax
(Post 10215372)
Perhaps they want to try an reduce the chances of another family in a similar situation being treated like that. Recall your cynicism when politicians say ‘lessons will be learned ‘. Publicity around events like these increases the chances that they actually will be. Seems reasonable.... |
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10215453)
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10215453)
Basically, Jet2 need to improve and make sure a repeat occurrence never happens again. That means Jet2 need to improve their processes, procedures and human factors revolving around these sensitive matters or risk being found to potentially have processes and procedures which do not protect against passenger discriminatory behaviours which could potentially invite a legal suit against the airline plus all the negative public relations that will generate. Over to Jet2 to get on top of this matter and sort it out fast. All it takes is a couple of random mystery passengers with special assistance requests to establish if Jet2 have their house in order. I will not be surprised if that type of watchdog random effort is planned now. Time will tell.
mik3bravo You clearly have an issue with low cost carriers which may be clouding the issue:- Originally Posted by mik3bravo People buy a cheap low cost airline ticket for £19 or something ridiculously cheap and then expect Emirates and Marriot hotel services when it goes wrong. People need to wake up. You know what you're getting into when you buy a low cost ticket. Personally I would never use any low cost airline unless as last resort. I certainly have never and will never use any of them for holiday travels especially if you are travelling with children, yet there are people out there who do it and know full well the chances they take but are thrilled to book their Sun holiday family flights for as cheap as chips but go nuts when it goes wrong. |
Originally Posted by flybar
(Post 10215498)
A mistake was made, an apology issued and a discount of £300 offered off the families next booking with Jet2. That should have been the end of the matter.
mik3bravo You clearly have an issue with low cost carriers which may be clouding the issue:- |
Please, Everyone, can we drop this now.
Jet2 have apologised and offered compensation (money off next booking). Out of all the UK airlines, i would imagine Jet2 would be the best suited to take this on board and learn from it. If this happened on FR/U2 for example, nothing would get done Simple errors occur every day, and yes it's a shame they've run to the media. If only everyone else kept their problems to themselves as well. |
Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10213975)
Outrageous behaviour:
http://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked-to-prove-disability-for-jet2-flight-11459188 The employees involved should be placed on performance improvement programs and 'managed out' of the company rather sharply. Disgusting carry on! Even if the family hadn't pre-advised of the EMD there is a procedure to accept them "on the day". Jet2 take all reasonable steps to make sure the people representing them in airports where they do not have their own staff are trained in and follow the Jet2 procedures. If the handling agent did not do so then they must accept the bulk of the blame in this case. It is perfectly normal practice for airlines to use third party handling and those agents have a responsibility to fully carry out their obligations to their customers i.e. the airlines. |
Whats the big deal with Jet2's new 738s ? Newcastle one of the bigger bases that just never see them. We had JZHU for about 5 days then its ended up back at LBA. Would of thought they would of been based everywhere by now.
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10220915)
Whats the big deal with Jet2's new 738s ? Newcastle one of the bigger bases that just never see them. We had JZHU for about 5 days then its ended up back at LBA. Would of thought they would of been based everywhere by now.
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Jet2 the future
im sure this topic has been done to death but I’m just curious to know if there is any further clarity on where Jet2 goes in the future?! with the relatively sudden and speedy expansion of bases into both BHX & STN, these new bases (equating to 23 a/c between them in 2019) will have taken a majority of the new 737NG orders resulting in the need for Jet2 to slow down the retirement of their 737-300 units. This also resulted in them leading in a/c including A330’s and A321’s. As a BHX follower, they have grown massively from 4x a/c in 2017 to 11x a/c in 2019, but in the wake of the loss of MON, there is still tonnes of latent demand available for Jet2 to have a go at if they wanted to ...BCN, NCE, LIS, SXF, BUD to name a few. But with new aircraft orders coming to an end, what next? And when? i appreciate the rapid growth at their new bases will slow over time, but equally I see them as a shrewd airline keen to seize opportunities. They have been a saviour to BHX! So are we looking at a 737Max order soon? |
I can see more expansion at STN, especially as people are trying to avoid unreliable Ryanair for holiday destinations, I would say they would have no trouble at all filling another five aircraft at Stansted on a daily basis, just have to find some slots. |
Originally Posted by GrahamK
(Post 10220957)
Newcastle one of the smaller bases now
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Originally Posted by GrahamK
(Post 10220957)
Newcastle one of the smaller bases now
That said I’ve only been on older 738’s with Jet2, never had any problems and think the whole passenger experience from arriving at the airport is the best a holiday company offers. but back to the original question is there is an internal policy that says no new 738’s to be based at NCL in the summer for more ythan a few days?🤔 |
No 757's based at NCL for a few years now (despite what the Chronicle's photo editor thinks...).
It has been suggested earlier on this thread that the "new" 738's have a different spares package than the older machines, so it makes sense to concentrate them in a limited number of bases. Seems reasonable. |
Dont get me wrong the older 738s are very tidy but im a fan of the sky interior as i imagine alot of people who have been on both would agree i just thought with the amount of new 8MG models they have that they would be spread about.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10221336)
No 757's based at NCL for a few years now (despite what the Chronicle's photo editor thinks...).
It has been suggested earlier on this thread that the "new" 738's have a different spares package than the older machines, so it makes sense to concentrate them in a limited number of bases. Seems reasonable. Had seen that but it seems it’s not been a problem in the winter when they do stay at NCL! |
Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10221355)
Dont get me wrong the older 738s are very tidy but im a fan of the sky interior as i imagine alot of people who have been on both would agree i just thought with the amount of new 8MG models they have that they would be spread about.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10221375)
Why? If the new interior is such a difference this would just give an inconsistent product across the base.
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Ref the future
Has been rumoured recently about expansion with a possible new base opening up in the south/south west region, as is a massive catchment area available there, as to if this is just pie in the sky who knows.
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10215877)
Please, Everyone, can we drop this now.
Jet2 have apologised and offered compensation (money off next booking). Out of all the UK airlines, i would imagine Jet2 would be the best suited to take this on board and learn from it. If this happened on FR/U2 for example, nothing would get done Simple errors occur every day, and yes it's a shame they've run to the media. If only everyone else kept their problems to themselves as well. |
Anyone know what happened on the faro flight diverted to Bordeaux last Friday.
Not sure it was a jet 2 plane? But operating FAO LBA due in mid afternoon. 252/251? thanks in advance tiger |
Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge
(Post 10221799)
Has been rumoured recently about expansion with a possible new base opening up in the south/south west region, as is a massive catchment area available there, as to if this is just pie in the sky who knows.
I had wondered (once) if BOH might be suitable but the above comment probably applies there too. Personally, from the "north", i.e. Worcester and similar, BRS is a complete pain to get to, CWL easier (been there, done that), and EXE too far. |
Originally Posted by sixchannel
(Post 10222769)
IIRC the earlier concensus was that there ISN'T a sufficiently large enough catchment of potential customers to justify a Jet2 cache of aircraft at CWL, BRS or its baby sister EXT.
I had wondered (once) if BOH might be suitable but the above comment probably applies there too. Personally, from the "north", i.e. Worcester and similar, BRS is a complete pain to get to, CWL easier (been there, done that), and EXE too far. Any future expansion will depend upon where they can get the aircraft and the pilots to operate them |
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10222772)
Bristol is one of the richest areas in the UK! It's catchment encompasses the entire South West of the UK. I'd shocked if Jet2 didn't open up a base there in the immediate future and I'd have thought BRS would be there next base.
Any future expansion will depend upon where they can get the aircraft and the pilots to operate them |
The aircraft is the main issue. There are simply no more "Mid life" B738 about to buy or lease any more. The production line has effectively finished for the NG so only sold units are now being completed and mixed with Max production, much as the last classics went out the door around the first NGs. (Most of the Classics still left are of that vintage- the very last ones made). If they want more aircraft, it's got to be the Max. No choice, unless they can buy mid lifers from companies accelerating replacement of their fleets to Max.
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Originally Posted by castleford tiger
(Post 10222705)
Anyone know what happened on the faro flight diverted to Bordeaux last Friday.
Not sure it was a jet 2 plane? But operating FAO LBA due in mid afternoon. 252/251? thanks in advance tiger |
Originally Posted by RVF750
(Post 10222792)
The aircraft is the main issue. There are simply no more "Mid life" B738 about to buy or lease any more. The production line has effectively finished for the NG so only sold units are now being completed and mixed with Max production, much as the last classics went out the door around the first NGs. (Most of the Classics still left are of that vintage- the very last ones made). If they want more aircraft, it's got to be the Max. No choice, unless they can buy mid lifers from companies accelerating replacement of their fleets to Max.
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Originally Posted by LBIA
(Post 10222839)
Aircraft in question was the leased Titan Airways Boeing 757-200, G-POWH. It suffered an inflight cabin pressure failure https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-e...a4a506734c476c
Rescue flight (lol) G-LSAE (757) flew MAN - BOD late Friday afternoon, then BOD - LBA getting everyone home before 10pm. G-POWH left Bordeaux bright and early on Sunday morning 12/8 for STN not above 10k. Obviously now at the Menders. Great recovery by Jet2. |
Jet2 clearly stated that when they posted their EOY financial result that they had no plans to open a new based within the UK for the foreseeable future and growth with be focused towards expansion of its new and existing bases!
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Originally Posted by nwoody2001
(Post 10222858)
Jet2 clearly stated that when they posted their EOY financial result that they had no plans to open a new based within the UK for the foreseeable future and growth with be focused towards expansion of its new and existing bases!
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10222772)
Bristol is one of the richest areas in the UK! It's catchment encompasses the entire South West of the UK. I'd shocked if Jet2 didn't open up a base there in the immediate future and I'd have thought BRS would be there next base.
Any future expansion will depend upon where they can get the aircraft and the pilots to operate them Bristol is absolutely stunning in terms of pax and destinations - but it already has 15 easyJet based aircraft and 4 with Ryanair. Thomas Cook and TUI also base up to 7/8 aircraft at the airport so perhaps it wouldn't be a good choice for yet another bucket and spade operator? Jet2 have proven that they can effectively compete with Ryanair but the dilution effect of a sizeable Jet2 base at BRS on the other carriers based there could be dangerous for BRS and they may be cautious with a deal. The new CEO at BRS knows this all too well coming from SOU. CWL would be interesting since the airport would be hungry for them for sure. BOH is vacant. |
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