Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 10156327)
The other 700 odd pilots in the company might have a different opinion but so far for me it appears that there are plenty of crews at my base so far this year, the company appear to be doing the best they can to avoid roster changes and make a big thing of trying to improving roster stability.
I have not been asked to work a day off for over two years. I understand that around 140 new pilots have joined the company for the summer season and some training is still on going. I guess we will find out if Jet2 have enough pilots over the next 16 weeks. |
No Johnny - are you? Jet2 are one of the few companies that are actually fully crewed. They are one of the only companies that crew to 100% and don’t rely on pilots to work on their days off for x amount of money unlike nearly every other airline in the UK. Or I woukdnt say say they are under crewed are you? |
Well Johnny - how many working days off have u sold back to the company in the last year or two? Go work for TUI and u can count on two hands per month - at jet2.com u won’t have done 5 WDO’s in a year - totally unheard of as flight deck. While yes yes there are a number of flights in June not covered on the roster it’s nithing compared to other airlines. While it might be 15 flights for the month - other airlines are 15 flights per day not covered. |
Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10157776)
Well Johnny - how many working days off have u sold back to the company in the last year or two? Go work for TUI and u can count on two hands per month - at jet2.com u won’t have done 5 WDO’s in a year - totally unheard of as flight deck. While yes yes there are a number of flights in June not covered on the roster it’s nithing compared to other airlines. While it might be 15 flights for the month - other airlines are 15 flights per day not covered. |
irishlad........ you make many bold statements professing to be in the know regarding Jet2, but clearly you know absolutely nowt
Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10155867)
No Johnny - are you? You clearly state you aren’t “aircrew” with Jet2, but feel that you have to post bold statements on here regarding our crewing issues ..... ?? But best of all, you now bring TUI into your argument......are you a self professed expert with all things TUI too ? Your argument comparing days off worked by “aircrew” in both companies only proves how ignorant and naive you truly are. |
Thank you BamBam. Irishlad - Tui operate a totally different rostering/Crewing philosophy at the moment as far as I know. Their system will always have flights not covered, they pay handsomely for crew to give up their days off to cover those flights. This was shown when it was first introduced to save money in the long run by having less crew in the payroll. I understand that this is now under review. I am am not going to start to get into any sort of numbers here in public, but I KNOW that your information is presently way off the mark. |
Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10155529)
They even go go as far as having up to 5 aircraft on standby at any one time that can be launched within an hour that have crews waiting at airports for them. I woukdnt say say they are under crewed - |
Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10158261)
NCL - LEI got as far as coventry before turning back this morning and still hasnt departed again and as a result LS555 NCL - IBZ is now cancelled so i would say that 5 aircraft standby is nonsense.
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so i would say that 5 aircraft standby is nonsense |
Is that why Jet2 rent?
Is that why Jet2 , as well as all the trumpet blowing about their new Boeings also rent 14 year old aircraft like the A321 YL-LCV?
Just askin' :-) |
You bring extra aircraft in for the summer as otherwise they will sit around all winter which is a very expensive business and
not needed as do Thomas Cook and TUI and most other holiday airline in Europe. |
Posts: 8 Is that why Jet2 rent?Is that why Jet2 , as well as all the trumpet blowing about their new Boeings also rent 14 year old aircraft like the A321 YL-LCV? |
Just askin'!!
I was only askin' why!
Jet2 is a lovely airline and since March have flown on JZHS, JZHU, JZHW and JZBB out of BHX - all lovely and newish with great flght crew everytime. And this fits with their press etc about "16 new aircraft in 12 months" and so on. then i see that LS1229/1230 has run recently using a Smartlynx renter which I assume uses no Jet2 employees (put me right please if thats wrong) and its 14 yrs old. It was a question about why that happens not a poke at my favourite airline. So there. lol. |
Then it’s the way you ask that requires some modification as it doesn’t come across in that manner. |
Sorry
Captain Johnny, as they say round here - "Soree, ay I"
New to all this - just trying to find out how things work. if I knew how to edit my post I would. My interest purely stemmed from looking at FR and noting that LCY isnt top of the pops when it comes to on time deps. Eg - today's flight to Rhodes. Extenuating circs probably prevailed. |
sixchannel
Ok, thanks for the explanation. My interest purely stemmed from looking at FR and noting that LCY isnt top of the pops when it comes to on time deps To edit a post, click the symbol in the right corner of your post where it says EDIT. |
Originally Posted by sixchannel
(Post 10159186)
I was only askin' why!
then i see that LS1229/1230 has run recently using a Smartlynx renter which I assume uses no Jet2 employees (put me right please if thats wrong) |
On top of this, most/if not all leases are damp leases (aircraft and pilots are owned by the lessor, cabin crew are Jet2's)
This applies to the Titans, Air Europa and Air Tanker leases, that i know of |
TTG reporting no new bases - https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/news/j...c-demand-14320
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Titan Airways Boeing 737-400, G-POWS operating out of LBA today for Jet2
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Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10159829)
On top of this, most/if not all leases are damp leases (aircraft and pilots are owned by the lessor, cabin crew are Jet2's)
This applies to the Titans, Air Europa and Air Tanker leases, that i know of |
A lot of crews are on short term contracts as are ground crew and handling agents etc so will only work May to October
Ian |
...what he said :)
I wouldn't be surprised if Jet2 kept some of the crew back ready to operate the call centre for the January/February booking rush, then when that dies down, redeploy them on the planes when the capacity ramps up for Mar/Apr and May/June |
At EDI most of the a/c are used on winter Saturdays. I assumed that many of the staff are on annualised hours, ie their contract doesn't specify hours/wk or /month, but /year.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Jet2 kept some of the crew back ready to operate the call centre for the January/February booking rush, then when that dies down, redeploy them on the planes when the capacity ramps up for Mar/Apr and May/June There are some crews that are employed on contracts that sees them sees them laid off over the winter, but as a percentage it’s not that many. Some pilots take extra leave and go travelling/studying etc. |
@JFP
Thats a fair point, but from a recruitment persective it's not a bad idea. The turnover of cabin crew from summer to summer must be past 1,000 by now, although i would imagine a lot would be on callbacks for the following season. Think of the recruitment cost attached to bringing in all these people every year. you have new uniforms to pay for, extra training as well (i've heard they take their customer service training very seriously, hence all the awards they keep winning) On top of this, they also have to bring in loads of temps for Dec-Mar to cover the call centres. Instead of temps, who don't really know the business, why not use some of your own cabin crew, who know the destinations (to a degree) and can fulfil these roles when they're not needed in the air. As a company who seem to value their staff a lot, it would probably look really good on their part, keeping costs down, and giving more people year round employment (except Nov, where we'd let them take the bulk of their leave ;) ) And as i said, it would apply to SOME, not ALL, so those who do want the extra time off can still do that. I'm not a dictator....yet... PS |
From a former recruiter:
1. Are the crew in the same place as the call centres? 2. Do they want to do the job? 3. Are the skill sets the same? (no!) 4. Are the employment terms the same? 5. What ramifications are there for employment models elsewhere in the group? 6. Does temporary redeployment add to costs (in things like increased redundancy cost liability)? 7. To what extent are the call centres counter-seasonal to the airline? |
Jeez guys, didn't think we'd be THIS far down the path about it. It was a nice, potentially hypothetical scenario
But for everyones amusement, let me try and answer that 1. Are the crew in the same place as the call centres? They have call centres near/in LBA and MAN, the two biggest bases. They even have some homeworkers too (YES) 2. Do they want to do the job? Assuming we're only talking about the few, not the many (YES) 3. Are the skill sets the same? Both would have good communication skills, product/company knowledge and the company ethos, which i hear is pretty good. (NOT EXACTLY, BUT NOT A MILLION MILES OFF) 4. Are the employment terms the same? Inherently not, but...
6. Does temporary redeployment add to costs (in things like increased redundancy cost liability)?. Yes, but this would be outweighed by the reduction in repeat training/ uniform issue 7. To what extent are the call centres counter-seasonal to the airline? As a leisure airline, peak booking period is from Jan-Mar, peak flying period (when the cabin crew are needed most is Apr/May-Sep/Oct. No overlap, hence the counter-seasonal effect being the most benefit As i said guys, it's just a theory (or a very small practice), no need to dig any deeper into this |
LS Smartlynx 321 @ BHX
YLLCV has been operating from BHX on behalf of Jet2 for a while now and compared to the 737 flights it’s time keeping is very poor,even the first flights of the day are regularly over an hour late departing ..... simon |
LV-LCY Lateness?
Can only agree. From what i can see on FR, flights the Smartlynx renter doesnt seem able to match the normal Jet2 departure accuracy, some flights being way over an hour late, something not often seen with the core Fleet. As a regular user of LS1229/1230 I'm gutted to see the fine record this year (and I've already done two trips) destroyed by it . Last Sundays was1hr20 late. Ive got 2 more this year and it looks like im saddled with it. So far the Wednesday LS1230 return hasn't been abandoned to it, so coming home mght actually be OK.
is there a secret reason why this aircraft or crewing etc etc cant get off the ramps like all the other Jet2 departures. If its bad flight deck, does Jet2 have any kind of recourse for their lousy punctuality? |
Is there a particular destination that this aeroplane operates to each morning? It could be that the route it flies is beset with slot delays which seem to be particularly bad this year. |
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10164954)
Is there a particular destination that this aeroplane operates to each morning? It could be that the route it flies is beset with slot delays which seem to be particularly bad this year. |
A321
Originally Posted by Johnny F@rt Pants
(Post 10164954)
Is there a particular destination that this aeroplane operates to each morning? It could be that the route it flies is beset with slot delays which seem to be particularly bad this year. The schedule for the last week is as follows Monday 28/5 Morning IBZ +1.12 Afternoon RHO +1.17 Tuesday 29/5 Morning PMI +1.18 Afternoon ACE +1.33 Wednesday 30/5 Morning LCA +0.17 (one flight) Thursday 31/5 Morning PMI +29 Afternoon RHO +2.32 Friday 01/06 Morning MAH +.34 Afternoon IBZ +2.37 Saturday 02/06 Morning Malaga +1.13 Afternoon LPA +1.14 Sunday 03/06 Morning Malaga +1.44 Afternoon FUE +1.18 Monday 04/06 Morning Ibiza +.37 Afternoon RHO +.44 Would it be fair to say just the Wednesday LCA can be classed as on-time? Pete |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 10165007)
It doesn't make great reading but afternoon seems more problematic and as explained previously plenty of tasty weather over Europe the last week or so and you would need to compare against the other Jet2, TUI, Thomas Cook and FR to see how it rates. At least it operates which is more than can be said for FR.
The schedule for the last week is as follows Monday 28/5 Morning IBZ +1.12 Afternoon RHO +1.17 Tuesday 29/5 Morning PMI +1.18 Afternoon ACE +1.33 Wednesday 30/5 Morning LCA +0.17 (one flight) Thursday 31/5 Morning PMI +29 Afternoon RHO +2.32 Friday 01/06 Morning MAH +.34 Afternoon IBZ +2.37 Saturday 02/06 Morning Malaga +1.13 Afternoon LPA +1.14 Sunday 03/06 Morning Malaga +1.44 Afternoon FUE +1.18 Monday 04/06 Morning Ibiza +.37 Afternoon RHO +.44 Would it be fair to say just the Wednesday LCA can be classed as on-time? Pete |
Just went out with Jet2 and was particularly impressed with them - punctual to the minute off the blocks (despite being Saturday afternoon 2nd wave), and one of the best cabin crews I've had for a good while. An impressive operation.
Was thus quite disappointed on the return, which although the same rotation a week later was a Titan subcharter (known even at time of booking). I always thought Titan were themselves a class act who did some prestige work, but a decidedly ho-hum crew all round, including how they handled the departure delay. The safety briefing, which like some others here I always mentally "score", was one of the worst I have seen in a good while, and the pictograms on the briefing card would be incomprehensible if you didn't have an idea what they were trying to get at. At least they might try and print the cards in focus. Cabin crew were 50-50 mixed Titan (dreary brown uniforms) and Jet2, the difference between them was noticeable. |
Originally Posted by simoncorbett
(Post 10163125)
YLLCV has been operating from BHX on behalf of Jet2 for a while now and compared to the 737 flights it’s time keeping is very poor,even the first flights of the day are regularly over an hour late departing ..... simon |
Originally Posted by Matt995
(Post 10165986)
YL-LCV is living up to its on time departures, it's now stuck in Arrecife, presumably tech, due back in BHX 17:10 on Wednesday, 17 1/4 hours late!
Strikes me that, as in all things, you get what you pay for. Bottom Bidder rules KO, as I used to tell my Purchasing Team. ;-) |
Another triumph of unpunctuality from YLLCV.
Having managed to drag LS1203/4 from a slightly late ex BHX departure to slightly early return landing, the departure of LS1229 to FUE two hours later was an hour late out of the blocks. How does this occur ---Smartwings LCLCY has managed this feat on its 3 consecutive fortnightly rotations?
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It sounds like too many occasions for this to just be a coincidence.
Just curious if they could actually claim against SmartLynx?. Although they're leaving late, they still arrive within the 3hr window for EU261, so do Jet2 have a leg to stand on? |
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