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virginblue 22nd Aug 2019 16:34

Interesting that the Air Antwerp flights operate under the KLM designator (KL211/213/215). Available for 60 EUR one way from ANR.

OpsSix 22nd Aug 2019 17:10


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10551841)
Interesting that the Air Antwerp flights operate under the KLM designator (KL211/213/215). Available for 60 EUR one way from ANR.

Shame they only have Sep and Oct available at present though.

BAladdy 2nd Sep 2019 04:34

BA Cityflyer have in recent weeks made the following changes to there schedule for W19/20:

Frequency Increases

Berlin - from 19 x weekly to 25 x weekly
Dublin - from 33 x weekly to 38 x weekly
Edinburgh - from 54 x weekly to 58 x weekly
Florence - from 9 to 14 x weekly
Glasgow - from 34 to 40 x weekly

Frequency Decreases

Geneva - 27OCT19 to 29NOV19 - NO flights will operate. From 30NOV19 frequency will vary from between 2 to 8 x weekly. This is down from up to 20 x weekly

Malaga - from 6 to 2 x weekly
Rotterdam - from 37 to 27 x weekly
Zurich - from 26 to 22 x weekly

Changes to frequencies shown are compared to maximum operated last winter season.

Route Suspended

Reykjavik - 2 x weekly seasonal service will not operate.


WHBM 2nd Sep 2019 14:24

Notably four out of those five frequency increases are my regular LCY routes. I wonder if it's me supporting them :)

Came back from Berlin (August midweek) last week and it was all seats taken (and apparently same on the other two rotations that day). Seems to be doing well. This route was my first flight ever from LCY, early 1990s, when Conti-Flug ran a 146 to Berlin Tempelhof. What a shame that inner city, LCY-equivalent, airport at the other end got closed down.

Skipness One Foxtrot 2nd Sep 2019 14:49

I believe Eurowings LHR-TXL is being dropped for the winter, giving BA LHR/LCY-TXL to themselves

virginblue 2nd Sep 2019 19:10

Indeed, Eurowings is calling it quits on TXL-LHR. Although there is also easyJet to LGW from TXL and SXF, to LTN from SXF and Ryanair to STN from SXF. Plenty to choose from. SXF-LGW/STN sees almost 1m pax a year alone, btw.


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10560089)
Came back from Berlin (August midweek) last week and it was all seats taken (and apparently same on the other two rotations that day). Seems to be doing well. This route was my first flight ever from LCY, early 1990s, when Conti-Flug ran a 146 to Berlin Tempelhof. What a shame that inner city, LCY-equivalent, airport at the other end got closed down.

Not only that - Tegel airport, the second best alternative to Tempelhof that is currently served by BA, will at some point, maybe even as soon as 2020, close and flights will move to Berlin Brandenburg International even further away from the city centre.

WHBM 3rd Sep 2019 11:48

Colleague was on Easy, out LTN-SXF, back TXL-LGW, except Easy cancelled the late evening return rotation on that with just a couple of hours' notice, stranding everyone in Berlin for the night. Dreadfully handled. He ended up coming back with me on BA to LCY the next day. Another convert to LCY

Having a spare hour early morning, I hopped on the Berlin Underground to old Tempelhof and took some photos. The old, vast streetfront terminal building (LCY must be envious, it's way larger than theirs) is still nicely maintained outside but seemingly empty within. The Underground station entrance is just on the street corner, next to the kebab shop. For anyone who remembers going from LCY to Tempelhof on Conti-Flug all those years ago, it's still the same.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f2e5fe2410.jpg

willy wombat 3rd Sep 2019 14:53

Not exactly on topic but about 20 years ago I visited Tempelhof and what was sitting there but the Lufthansa JU52 - ah the nostalgia.

fjencl 29th Sep 2019 15:36

We heard weeks back " London City Airport hopes to add to domestic connectivity offer by welcoming back Dundee service"

Any news forthcoming about this ??????

Planespeaking 29th Sep 2019 15:42


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 10582338)
Wednesday 10th July 2019

We heard weeks back "London City Airport hopes to add to domestic connectivity offer by welcoming back Dundee service"

Any news forthcoming about this ??????


Not at the moment, but why are you shouting at us with this huge lettering?

fjencl 29th Sep 2019 15:53

Better now

AirportPlanner1 29th Sep 2019 18:44


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 10582338)
We heard weeks back " London City Airport hopes to add to domestic connectivity offer by welcoming back Dundee service"

Any news forthcoming about this ??????

I think a move to SEN is far more likely myself but what do I know?

DC3 Dave 29th Sep 2019 20:13


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10582459)


I think a move to SEN is far more likely myself but what do I know?

Quite a lot, to be fair. It’s clear that LCY have decided to go the extra mile to secure this route Why? Well I’m guessing that they fancy their chances of securing over time all the Loganair routes (CAX excepted) to SEN. Perhaps with the current investment they would now be prepared to accommodate 50 seat aircraft arriving on a regular basis at an acceptable cost to the operator. After all, where would the the majority of punters from Scotland and Northern Ireland prefer to arrive?

virginblue 29th Sep 2019 20:47

Flybe seems to have culled DUS frm Oct 23. EDI, BHD and EXT apparently continue.

WHBM 29th Sep 2019 20:56

Currently Gates 1 and 2 are closed off and indeed boarded off for the works, which puts a lot of pressure on in peak periods.

irishlad06 30th Sep 2019 00:21


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10582546)
Flybe seems to have culled DUS frm Oct 23. EDI, BHD and EXT apparently continue.

EDI and BHD are the money makers apparently so unless they get a mass influx of slots at LHR I can’t see these going anywhere anytime soon.

Skipness One Foxtrot 30th Sep 2019 09:28


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10582552)
Currently Gates 1 and 2 are closed off and indeed boarded off for the works, which puts a lot of pressure on in peak periods.

Is the building work on stand 1 a permanent piece of the redevelopment? Stands 1 and 2 are being built over for....shopping? It's shops isn't it? It's always shops.

whitelighter 30th Sep 2019 10:31


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10582864)
Is the building work on stand 1 a permanent piece of the redevelopment? Stands 1 and 2 are being built over for....shopping? It's shops isn't it? It's always shops.

nope. Temporary outbound baggage facility while the terminal redevelopment/expansions continues. It’s expected the temporary structure will be in place for 2 years.

Its 100% not a permanent structure and is made of bolt together steel with a toughened fabric/material stretched cover

not connected to the terminal as the airside road remains in place between it and existing building

WHBM 1st Oct 2019 06:12


Originally Posted by whitelighter (Post 10582907)
Its 100% not a permanent structure and is made of bolt together steel with a toughened fabric/material stretched cover

Sounds like the gates 21-24 terminal building structure then :)


WHBM 8th Oct 2019 10:15

Came through yesterday at 7am. Apart from noticing all the works on the new taxiway, the new structure in front of gates 1/2, etc, noticed that :

- The traffic jam from the terminal frontage area stretched solidly right down the airport approach, out past the jet centre, and back over the Connaught Bridge, dislocating the main roads of the area as well.
- Inside the terminal the queue for security had been extended by zig-zagging Tensa barriers in the area at the top of the escalators, and was all filled. 25 minutes to just to get through. Who remembers "10 minute check in" ?
- Several BA aircraft on the remote stands between the terminal and the Jet Centre, being used as Bus Stands.

The throughput from some of the landside facilities doesn't quite seem to mesh with the expansion plans currently under way.

BA318 8th Oct 2019 11:20


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10589391)
Came through yesterday at 7am. Apart from noticing all the works on the new taxiway, the new structure in front of gates 1/2, etc, noticed that :

- The traffic jam from the terminal frontage area stretched solidly right down the airport approach, out past the jet centre, and back over the Connaught Bridge, dislocating the main roads of the area as well.
- Inside the terminal the queue for security had been extended by zig-zagging Tensa barriers in the area at the top of the escalators, and was all filled. 25 minutes to just to get through. Who remembers "10 minute check in" ?
- Several BA aircraft on the remote stands between the terminal and the Jet Centre, being used as Bus Stands.

The throughput from some of the landside facilities doesn't quite seem to mesh with the expansion plans currently under way.

Yes the traffic has been like that for some time early in the mornings. They often tweet that they've opened the other entrance near the Sir Steve Redgrave Bridge to allow cars to enter from the other direction.

A few weeks ago when I was travelling, they were checking boarding passes before they would let you in the terminal because it was so busy. However, I didn't yet have my boarding pass as I needed to check something with LOT. The staff at the door were not remotely friendly. I've found the old LCY has gone and now its rude staff and long queues. On the plus side my luggage from WAW-LCY arrived very quickly on sunday considering last time took about half an hour (how is that even possible in such a small airport).

DC3 Dave 10th Oct 2019 07:39

Looks like LCY may be in for a difficult few days.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a4258031.html

willy wombat 10th Oct 2019 07:44

It is time someone sued these people for loss of revenue

Barling Magna 10th Oct 2019 11:24

The trouble begins:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50000110

nowhereasfiled 10th Oct 2019 11:50


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10591069)

Got to love the logic of these people. Protest climate change by causing mass congestion outside the airport where cars are sat idling, and by having aircraft taxiing about the airport dropping off “disruptive” pax and circling over London waiting for a stand to free up.

dc9-32 10th Oct 2019 12:40

Whilst I'm open to the idea of free speech, these clowns need to get real and take their frustrations out elsewhere. Whatever damage has been done to the planet is done - by humans or not - and causing disruption to flights at any airport is not going to make the slightest bit of difference to their case.

I say if these protesters are arrested, and they should be, they should be banned from flying for at least 5 years, maybe more because at the end of the day, do these people really not use aircraft themselves or do they walk everywhere ?

I heard over 800 arrests have been made. Charge them, fine them £5k each and put the money towards the cost of policing them.

And, get a job too whilst at it.

ATNotts 10th Oct 2019 12:50


Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled (Post 10591081)


Got to love the logic of these people. Protest climate change by causing mass congestion outside the airport where cars are sat idling, and by having aircraft taxiing about the airport dropping off “disruptive” pax and circling over London waiting for a stand to free up.

Cars shouldn't be "sat idling". Their engines should be turned off.


The Act enforces rule 123 of the Highway Code, which states: "You must not leave a vehicle's engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road." Doing this can incur a £20 fixed-penalty fine under the Road Traffic (Vehicle Emissions) Regulations 2002.

Planespeaking 10th Oct 2019 14:18


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10591116)
Cars shouldn't be "sat idling". Their engines should be turned off.

I guess you ought to report the 70% of drivers sat stationary/or stationery on the M25 in traffic jams with their engines ticking over!!!

WHBM 10th Oct 2019 14:56


Originally Posted by dc9-32 (Post 10591111)
And, get a job too whilst at it.

Bit difficult to get a job now they have a criminal record, a matter of public record any HR department will discover. I don't think any of us here would employ them.

I wonder if all the eco-protesters, first year students etc egged on by the loud-mouthed lot who know to stand slightly behind them so they in turn don't get nicked, are aware that they are just putting all their future job opportunities and expenditure on further education down the toilet.


willy wombat 10th Oct 2019 15:14

How on earth was a protester able to get onto an aircraft roof? I should think LCY head of security could be looking for another job.

ATIS 10th Oct 2019 16:04

Security were too busy looking for pots of yoghurt in hand luggage to take notice of dozens of protesters gathering outside.

Someones head indeed needs to roll, especially when LCY was hit several years ago by protestors who arrived by boat. Muppets.

WHBM 10th Oct 2019 16:39

I did notice when I came through LCY a couple of days ago that the two PCs with machine guns were stationed on the exit side of security, heading into the shops area. Quite how that could be an effective position for them escaped me.

Meanwhile I see that in the BBC news item, above, they are all sycophantic about the former Olympic cycling athlete who climbed onto the aircraft. However they fail to mention that he was subsequently banned from the sport for a doping scandal https://www.rte.ie/sport/cycling/201...ing-violation/

Startledgrapefruit 10th Oct 2019 17:02


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 10591216)
How on earth was a protester able to get onto an aircraft roof? I should think LCY head of security could be looking for another job.

Apparently a blind Paralympic medalist.

whitelighter 10th Oct 2019 17:48


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 10591216)
How on earth was a protester able to get onto an aircraft roof? I should think LCY head of security could be looking for another job.

because he had a ticket. Got up there while boarding.

dc9-32 10th Oct 2019 19:11

Lifetime ban from even getting close to an airport, and hefty fines should be applied to these lunatics.

davidjohnson6 10th Oct 2019 19:22

I sincerely hope that if I should ever be a defendant in court that I don't get this crowd as judge or jury. I think within 5 minutes the judge would be pulling a piece of black cloth from their pocket !

virginblue 6th Nov 2019 11:18

As per ACL

:

Jet Netherlands (JNL) have been allocated new slots for a (MST) route 19x p.w. scheduled service, effective from February 2020.

Loganair (LM) have been allocated new slots for a (DND) route 11x p.w. scheduled service effective from February 2020.

Sunair (EZ) plan to operate a new arrival scheduled service on day 7 from Altenrhein for period 12JAN-22MAR

koninckske 9th Nov 2019 19:17

https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...ion-report.pdf S20

fjencl 10th Nov 2019 07:23


Originally Posted by koninckske (Post 10614874)

Do we know what type of aircraft Jetnetherlands will be operating on the LCY - MST LCY route.

davidjohnson6 10th Nov 2019 08:10

19x per week sounds like an awful lot for London-Maastricht
Am wondering if this is going to be a private jet style service, or if it's actually a way to grab the slots but disguise the real plans which will be announced later


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