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BAladdy 10th Nov 2019 08:32


Originally Posted by fjencl (Post 10615197)
Do we know what type of aircraft Jetnetherlands will be operating on the LCY - MST LCY route.

Is a ER3 permitted to operate into LCY? If it is then maybe they could use the 30 seat ER3 already in there fleet.

https://www.aslgroup.eu/en/fleet/30/...harters-europe

BA318 10th Nov 2019 09:05


Originally Posted by BAladdy (Post 10615233)
Is a ER3 permitted to operate into LCY? If it is then maybe they could use the 30 seat ER3 already in there fleet.

https://www.aslgroup.eu/en/fleet/30/...harters-europe

Yes. The ER3 can operate into LCY. Luxair previously used it as did JetMagic. The ER4 is not permitted into LCY.

WHBM 17th Nov 2019 20:31

Having gone through LCY most weeks it seems in recent times (to the extent of recognising the BA pilots), one of the greatest challenges is the "Common User" check in machines in the terminal. I've written about these before, but they never seem to improve, despite regularly having new hardware. Although all checked in on the BA website, with the "Collect boarding pass at airport" option, go the machine and enter a BA exec card and it says it needs "additional information", despite this all being on file. Flight details, scan passport, wait - and it says "can't finish - go to desk". Try the next machine, the same. Join the tedious queue, eventually get to show card, and the operator can instantly produce the boarding pass, no issue.

Check in staff also say "Oh those machines, some days they are OK, other days no".

So, I'm coming through again tomorrow morning. Here's a challenge for the LCY IT team - will it work ?

aurigny72 17th Nov 2019 21:23

I know the feeling i hate machines, cant rely on them lol

Haven't a clue 18th Nov 2019 06:55

I always avoid them. Either print at home or use the appropriate App to store on phone. Frequently I have both!

goldeneye 20th Dec 2019 10:30

Loganair to move DND service to LCY from 29 March. Operating on an ATR 42.

https://www.loganair.co.uk/our-story...dundee-airport

davidjohnson6 29th Dec 2019 20:20

Apologies if it's already been mentioned but BA are to start a 2x weekly route to San Sebastian in northern Spain with an E190 during the peak of summer 2020
Air Nostrum previously operated a route between Luton and San Sebastian in summer of 2016 and 2017

wallp 1st Jan 2020 11:20

LOT
 
How are LOT doing on their routes out of LCY?

BA318 1st Jan 2020 14:06


Originally Posted by wallp (Post 10651448)
How are LOT doing on their routes out of LCY?

not sure of figures but anecdotally, I’ve taken the Warsaw flight around 6 times last year and every time Economy was completely full. Business varied. I flew the first flight and it was full in J. Other times there have been a couple of empty seats in Business and Premium.

WHBM 27th Jan 2020 13:09

I see Loganair are doing training circuits with an ATR-42 today at LCY. Is this for replacement of the Saab on the Isle of Man BA contract, or some new service ?

_aax1 27th Jan 2020 13:36


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10672928)
I see Loganair are doing training circuits with an ATR-42 today at LCY. Is this for replacement of the Saab on the Isle of Man BA contract, or some new service ?

New Dundee service

BA318 27th Jan 2020 14:29


Originally Posted by _aax1 (Post 10672950)
New Dundee service

I would imagine it's to train Loganair pilots who from 1st Feb will be operating the IOM route for BA and for the Dundee flights from end of March.

WHBM 5th Mar 2020 21:31

Shame to lose Flybe and good luck to their crews with the future. Their only routes I found of value were Belfast and Aberdeen, the latter disappeared a while back, but both seemed to have decent loads and yields. But they did run rather a lot of oddballs that came and went; how well did the few Edinburgh or Amsterdam flights do up against BA.

There seem to be some peak period slots available now, though I can't see anyone moving in before the virus hoo-hah dies down.

rhutch28 5th Mar 2020 21:56

In 2019 the Belfast City route saw 210,936 passengers from London City, do we think BA Cityflyer might take on the route,

DUB19 5th Mar 2020 21:58


Originally Posted by rhutch28 (Post 10704296)
In 2019 the Belfast City route saw 210,936 passengers from London City, do we think BA Cityflyer might take on the route,

there is certainly the demand for it

awwdabaaby 5th Mar 2020 22:05


Originally Posted by DUB19 (Post 10704303)
there is certainly the demand for it

A route BA CityFlyer previously operated so they might not want to open it again, regardless of passenger numbers

Startledgrapefruit 5th Mar 2020 22:26


Originally Posted by awwdabaaby (Post 10704306)
A route BA CityFlyer previously operated so they might not want to open it again, regardless of passenger numbers

They have not !
City JET not flyer

WHBM 5th Mar 2020 23:16


Originally Posted by Startledgrapefruit (Post 10704319)
They have not !
City JET not flyer

Indeed. In fact Belfast from LCY wasn't even operated by CityJet, but under contract for them by Scot Airways on the Dornier 328 prop aircraft. Flybe had a major base in Belfast and thus customer base across Northern Ireland which would have been difficult for BA to challenge, but obviously gone now.

Skipness One Foxtrot 7th Mar 2020 14:20

LCY really does have all it’s eggs in the British Airways basket now.
Saw today that the new stands 25/26 are now in use wth 27/28 in place. But with flybe gone, will BA CityFlyer replace those lost volumes?

mart901 7th Mar 2020 14:40


Originally Posted by rhutch28 (Post 10704296)
In 2019 the Belfast City route saw 210,936 passengers from London City, do we think BA Cityflyer might take on the route,

I'd say BA Cityflyer, Aer Lingus regional or City jet or possibly Loganair. Definitely agree its viable.

ECR 8th Mar 2020 14:33


Originally Posted by rhutch28 (Post 10704296)
In 2019 the Belfast City route saw 210,936 passengers from London City, do we think BA Cityflyer might take on the route,

I would love to see that happen and think it would do really well but just don't think BA are interested in Belfast.

Although it is not their current fleet the sudden availability of lots of Flybe Dash 8 aircraft pilots and crew would provide a real opportunity for BA Cityflyer to expand at London City.

Irish Cream 8th Mar 2020 14:47

Eastern might try it - they’re about to launch MME so a bigger thicker route like BHD would be wise for them

Startledgrapefruit 8th Mar 2020 15:05

Think it will be another airline
Stobart or Cityjet.
The impact of last week and the reality of job losses has help to highlight the importance of regional flying.. so we could be surprised. But it won't be old yellow beard

PDXCWL45 8th Mar 2020 15:08


Originally Posted by Irish Cream (Post 10706799)
Eastern might try it - they’re about to launch MME so a bigger thicker route like BHD would be wise for them

It's looking like Easterns focus will be on Southampton.

tophat27dt 8th Mar 2020 16:16

Apron construction.
 
As a matter of curiosity, what is that hideous white building they have constructed right in front of the departure lounge obstructing my view of the runway movements?

Piece of Cake 8th Mar 2020 17:08

It is a temporary baggage processing facility. The old stands 1 and 2 are no longer in use.

WHBM 8th Mar 2020 22:04


Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10705889)
LCY really does have all it’s eggs in the British Airways basket now.

You could say the same about BA at Heathrow.

The "all eggs in one basket" works both ways. BA Cityflyer would likewise be stuffed if LCY ever started to get difficult over things.

virginblue 9th Mar 2020 00:00

Isn't BA pretty much a slam dunk for BHD, assuming that the route is, as almost anybody suggests, is a viable business case? Stobart operated the route on behalf of Flybe - and before that, Stobart operated the E90 on behalf of BACF from LCY to other destinations, so a well known ACMI supplier for BACF with crew and aircraft waiting for the next customer.

WHBM 9th Mar 2020 00:16

BHD has had a poor history from various operators at LCY in the past. There was a first iteration by Flybe (possibly they were British European then), and the Scot/Cityjet operation, both of which ceased before Flybe came back. There's not a lot of finance/media/IT industry, LCY's staples, in Belfast to tap into. Flybe did seem to have got to grips with it, and as described had moved it on from a Dash 8 to a contracted E90. BA are the only operator with current commercial and operational ties at both ends. But in the present situation I can't see any new route being started at all before things settle down.

virginblue 9th Mar 2020 00:31

IIRC, BE operated the route with a Q200 the first time around (and also stopped en-route at IOM?), so quite a different product. At that time, BHD-LGW was also massive. Will be interesting to see if BACF will go for it.

WHBM 9th Mar 2020 11:07


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10707287)
IIRC, BE operated the route with a Q200 the first time around (and also stopped en-route at IOM?), so quite a different product. At that time, BHD-LGW was also massive. Will be interesting to see if BACF will go for it.

I was actually a semi-regular through all these periods; I recall the standard BE Dash 8, and also flights on their 146, but not stopping at IOM; there have been a range of arrangements over time.

I do recall returning from BHD on the small Dash 8 when a colleague was coming back on BMI to Heathrow on a 320. We made consecutive departures from Belfast, and I droned along in the Dash. Straight in to LCY, Gate 2, straight out, got a cab to 10 minutes down the road, walked in, phoned colleague - who said they were only just taxying in to stand at Heathrow after n times round Bovingdon and a huge loop which actually passed over LCY at 5,000 feet.

EI-BUD 9th Mar 2020 11:28


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10707287)
IIRC, BE operated the route with a Q200 the first time around (and also stopped en-route at IOM?), so quite a different product. At that time, BHD-LGW was also massive. Will be interesting to see if BACF will go for it.

at some point there definitely was a stop on the IOM for the LCY route.

Startledgrapefruit 9th Mar 2020 11:31


Originally Posted by EI-BUD (Post 10707664)
at some point there definitely was a stop on the IOM for the LCY route.

Yes. Did it in G-JEDD

BA318 11th Mar 2020 15:04

BA are suspending LCY-JFK until July. I wonder if this will be the end of this service or at least with an A318?

fatmed 11th Mar 2020 16:42

Lot
 
My flights to/from Budapest from LCY this Easter have been cancelled.

The AvgasDinosaur 11th Mar 2020 17:41


Originally Posted by BA318 (Post 10710177)
BA are suspending LCY-JFK until July. I wonder if this will be the end of this service or at least with an A318?

To be replaced by ????
David

whitelighter 11th Mar 2020 17:50


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 10710354)
To be replaced by ????
David

been a rumour BA are looking at CS/A220 as an alternative to the E2 from Embraer

just a rumour but a 100ER might even make it without the stop

JSCL 11th Mar 2020 18:18

I fly the route generally once per month when it runs and generally, it's always been a pretty quiet flight and reward availability is normally quite high too.

BA318 11th Mar 2020 20:00


Originally Posted by whitelighter (Post 10710365)
been a rumour BA are looking at CS/A220 as an alternative to the E2 from Embraer

just a rumour but a 100ER might even make it without the stop

The A220-100 did a test flight with an interior the equivalent of 40 business class seats and passengers and managed it non stop.

WHBM 11th Mar 2020 20:18


Originally Posted by whitelighter (Post 10710365)
been a rumour BA are looking at CS/A220 as an alternative to the E2 from Embraer

I understand the issue about the A220 is that it does not fit the main stands 1-11, only the newer 21-24, and of course the ones being built. The Embraer, current and new, fits them all, as at present. As BA are far and away the majority operator, it seems it just won't work for a fleet replacement of the E190.


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