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SealinkBF 11th Mar 2020 23:23


Originally Posted by WHBM (Post 10710512)
I understand the issue about the A220 is that it does not fit the main stands 1-11, only the newer 21-24, and of course the ones being built. The Embraer, current and new, fits them all, as at present. As BA are far and away the majority operator, it seems it just won't work for a fleet replacement of the E190.


​​​​​BA1 generally departs from 21 to 24

Sotonsean 12th Mar 2020 14:48

British Airways are to suspend LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY from the 24 March 2020.

For the moment British Airways intend on resuming this service from the 25 October 2020.

Source) www.routesonline.com

I wonder if the route will ever return once it's been suspended. This lengthy suspension could well lead to the eventual loss of the JFK link from LCY. It will take a long time for demand to pickup again once the situation improves and with British Airways having multiple departures a day from LHR and with the forthcoming Elizabeth Line opening I think that we may well be seeing the end of New York from LCY for good.

With the obvious reduction in demand throughout the British Airways network as well as the entire travel industry I could also see LGW to JFK being suspended and eventually dropped in favour of the airline concentrating their New York flights entirely at LHR.

Whatever happens it's bad news all-round. 2020 looks like being the worst year in the modern age of aviation.

I wonder what British Airways will be doing with their sole A318 during the suspension. I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold or at least withdrawn and put on the market for disposal with British Airways probably making an announcement during the summer if not sooner regarding the eventual closure of LCY to JFK.

As much as it be a huge loss to LCY and for those using the route it won't come as too much of a surprise especially since it went down to a single daily flight with one of the two A318's withdrawn and sold to Titan Airways.

Fairdealfrank 13th Mar 2020 01:52

[QUOTEI wonder what British Airways will be doing with their sole A318 during the suspension. I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold or at least withdrawn and put on the market for disposal with British Airways probably making an announcement during the summer if not sooner regarding the eventual closure of LCY to JFK.][/QUOTE]

Use it on LHR-NQY?



tictack67 13th Mar 2020 05:13


Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank (Post 10712015)
[QUOTE[color=#222222]I wonder what British Airways will be doing with their sole A318 during the suspension. I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold or at least withdrawn and put on the market for disposal with British Airways probably making an announcement during the summer if not sooner regarding the eventual closure of LCY to JFK.]

Use it on LHR-NQY?[/QUOTE]


Is there demand for a business class 32 seater jet between LHR and NQY ? :)
Too costly to reconfig for now.
I suspect it maybe back on the JFK sooner than anticipated

Gulfstreamaviator 13th Mar 2020 07:05

To GIB....................please........................... Gib needs you.

edinv 13th Mar 2020 10:18


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 10711389)
British Airways are to suspend LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY from the 24 March 2020.

For the moment British Airways intend on resuming this service from the 25 October 2020.

Source) www.routesonline.com

I wonder if the route will ever return once it's been suspended. This lengthy suspension could well lead to the eventual loss of the JFK link from LCY. It will take a long time for demand to pickup again once the situation improves and with British Airways having multiple departures a day from LHR and with the forthcoming Elizabeth Line opening I think that we may well be seeing the end of New York from LCY for good.

With the obvious reduction in demand throughout the British Airways network as well as the entire travel industry I could also see LGW to JFK being suspended and eventually dropped in favour of the airline concentrating their New York flights entirely at LHR.

Whatever happens it's bad news all-round. 2020 looks like being the worst year in the modern age of aviation.

I wonder what British Airways will be doing with their sole A318 during the suspension. I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold or at least withdrawn and put on the market for disposal with British Airways probably making an announcement during the summer if not sooner regarding the eventual closure of LCY to JFK.

As much as it be a huge loss to LCY and for those using the route it won't come as too much of a surprise especially since it went down to a single daily flight with one of the two A318's withdrawn and sold to Titan Airways.

Don't disagree with the above except for the dates. Business traveller has a leader on this:- British Airways has suspended bookings for its all business class service between London City and New York JFK.Flights on the route, which operates via Shannon on the LCY-JFK leg, are currently available to book on the BA website until Tuesday March 24, and then again from Tuesday September 1.

As a traveller with a booking for Sep on the service, I have not yet received the dreaded email stating cancellation! - early days I supose.

Steviec9 18th Mar 2020 16:45

Air Antwerp suspend LCY-ANR
 
Despite issuing an earlier reduced timetable to take effect from next week, Air Antwerp are now suspending operations after this week until at least 12 April.

jdcg 19th Mar 2020 09:56


Originally Posted by Steviec9 (Post 10719019)
Despite issuing an earlier reduced timetable to take effect from next week, Air Antwerp are now suspending operations after this week until at least 12 April.

No point flying to London when the whole city is going to be under lockdown from Friday for at least 2 weeks

jdcg 20th Mar 2020 12:40


Originally Posted by jdcg (Post 10719962)
No point flying to London when the whole city is going to be under lockdown from Friday for at least 2 weeks

Although apparently it's now been postponed because they feared the public would be too alarmed by "soldiers on the streets". Yet we are told it's like a war. Just Johnson shifting responsibility as usual. All this is sourced from a senior civil servant, close to Gov't by the way. As for them, they've decamped to the countryside

davidjohnson6 20th Mar 2020 12:52

Luxair suspends ops

Sotonsean 21st Mar 2020 03:48


Originally Posted by jdcg (Post 10721543)
Although apparently it's now been postponed because they feared the public would be too alarmed by "soldiers on the streets". Yet we are told it's like a war. Just Johnson shifting responsibility as usual. All this is sourced from a senior civil servant, close to Gov't by the way. As for them, they've decamped to the countryside

As of 03.15 GMT Saturday 21 March 2020 whilst watching the news on the BBC the situation hasn't changed and they are still reporting what was stated by the Prime Minister at 17.15 GMT on Friday 20 March 2020.

Considering that the UK Government have outlined these plans it would be rather irresponsible and foolish of them to backtrack on it considering the severity of the situation and especially taking into consideration what other European countries are doing such as France, Italy and Spain etc.

Let's see over the next day or so how reliable your "senior civil servant" acquaintance actually is!

As for the government "decamping to the countryside", it's not as unusual as your trying to make out.

As your fully aware the Prime Minister's official weekend residence of Chequers is of course situated in the countryside. Chequers is near Ellesborough at the foot of the Chiltern Hills in Buckinghamshire, 40 miles north west of central London. If needed a quick trip back down the M40 to Downing Street. The Prime Minister is still probably working whilst he is at Chequers and he and his close colleagues are still in touch to the outside world via, phone, email, Skype, through other minister's, the media, etc. The sitting Prime Minister of the day usually takes one or two cabinet ministers with him to Chequers to continue governmental business.

Whilst the Prime Minister is "decamped in the countryside" at Chequers he is not totally cut off from the outside world as your trying to make out, or are you suggesting he's being selfish by doing so!

What more could the Prime Minister achieve by staying in central London rather than being "decamped to the countryside". He's been an extremely busy person this last week and everyone needs some downtime and his won't probably last for long as I should imagine that his time whilst at Chequers is going to be fully taken up with governmental duties.

Am I sticking up for our Prime Minister, yes I am 🤗

SilverCityKid 21st Mar 2020 07:40

SotonSean
 
I totally agree, does anybody think that any other government of recent years could have done better in the circumstances?

At least Boris Johnson has a decent majority to enable the government to do what iit thinks is necessary, of course it will get things wrong, at present the only certainty that we have is that "We do not know what is going to happen in the future".

Moaning and carping serves no useful purpose, it is time for the country to pull together and not try to score irrelevant political points

Sotonsean 21st Mar 2020 07:53


Originally Posted by SilverCityKid (Post 10722562)
I totally agree, does anybody think that any other government of recent years could have done better in the circumstances?

At least Boris Johnson has a decent majority to enable the government to do what iit thinks is necessary, of course it will get things wrong, at present the only certainty that we have is that "We do not know what is going to happen in the future".

Moaning and carping serves no useful purpose, it is time for the country to pull together and not try to score irrelevant political points

Many thanks for your response and I am pleased that your on the same wavelength.

I think that the individual I was responding to hasn't got a full grasp of the situation and is obviously someone who doesn't want to understand it.

Time's are very difficult for everyone concerned at the moment and I can honestly say that our Prime Minister along with the Chancellor and cabinet are doing a marvelous job considering the circumstances the country finds itself in.

But of course you are always going to get those that want to contradict it.

Have a great Safe weekend 😉

SWBKCB 21st Mar 2020 08:01


Have a great Safe weekend 😉
...and lets get back on topic!

RJ100 21st Mar 2020 10:41

At the moment the only BA/Cityflyer route being operated from 23/03/2020 for the next two weeks is the LCY-IOM route on the ATR. The last Cityflyer flight due in to LCY on Sunday is AGP-LCY due in at 19:45

virginblue 22nd Mar 2020 01:57

Who else will be operating? Luxair is about to shut down, Air Antwerp already has, I assume Alitalia as well. I have not seen Lufthansa flights to LCY listed in their emergency schedule. KLM, LOT, Swiss, Blue Islands still operating next week?

Wonder how much sense it makes to keep it open for a handful of daily flights, given the airport infrastructure available nearby'ish.

AirportPlanner1 22nd Mar 2020 07:52


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10723569)
Wonder how much sense it makes to keep it open for a handful of daily flights, given the airport infrastructure available nearby'ish.

You could make the same argument though about virtually every airport in mainland UK. Southend will be down to an evening flight to Derry and a few weekend services to Amsterdam. Stansted to the odd few flights to Ireland, Scotland, Amsterdam and maybe one or two others. Ditto Luton. Even Gatwick thinks no more than ten daily.

Tranceaddict 22nd Mar 2020 08:59

  1. eglc
    b) 20/03/23 06:30 c) 20/03/28 22:00
    e) amended airfield operating hours:
mon 23 0700-2030

tue 24 0700-2030

wed 25 0700-2030

thu 26 0700-2030

fri 27 0700-2030

sat 28 0830-1200

WHBM 23rd Mar 2020 11:07

Most services closed but a surprising number of extra LOT Embraers to/from Warsaw, sometimes two or even three on the ground at once.

Wycombe 23rd Mar 2020 12:39


a surprising number of extra LOT Embraers to/from Warsaw
Several more than usual LOT 737's and 787's at LHR over the last few days also - guess they are repatriating.

Barling Magna 23rd Mar 2020 16:13

SEN's Amazon flights will probably increase as people shop more online. Three ASL B737s currently based there. I agree that only Derry and AMS will survive on the pax front.

Groundloop 24th Mar 2020 11:05


Originally Posted by Sotonsean (Post 10711389)
As much as it be a huge loss to LCY and for those using the route it won't come as too much of a surprise especially since it went down to a single daily flight with one of the two A318's withdrawn and sold to Titan Airways.

I believe Titan's A318 actually operated BA001 yesterday as I saw it on FR24 routing Shannon-JFK. Can't think of any other reason why it would be doing that.

Teaboy24 24th Mar 2020 11:32


Originally Posted by Groundloop (Post 10726301)
I believe Titan's A318 actually operated BA001 yesterday as I saw it on FR24 routing Shannon-JFK. Can't think of any other reason why it would be doing that.


It was a charter LTN-SNN-JFK

Groundloop 24th Mar 2020 13:06

Thanks. Teaches me - don't presume anything!

BA318 24th Mar 2020 17:25


A Hercules flew into LCY today for training. Perhaps in preparation for the hospital opening at the Excel Centre next week.

Alteagod 24th Mar 2020 19:43

Oh I wud say your spot on

davidjohnson6 24th Mar 2020 20:01

It's not the first time a Hercules has visited London City - see YouTube for videos of previous occasions if interested
Certainly possible that it's Covid related but perhaps not 100% definite

Buster the Bear 24th Mar 2020 20:39

I'd imagine that the RAF will transfer Covid-19 cases in via this method, thus the training re-familiarisation flight. Or, bringing troops rapidly in to East London?

DC3 Dave 24th Mar 2020 22:58


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10726877)
I'd image that the RAF will transfer Covid-19 cases in via this method, thus the training re-familiarisation flight. Or, bringing troops rapidly in to East London?

Really? They paid a visit to LCY a few months ago before the virus caused the first dry throat. They also visited SEN a number of weeks back.

People are dying so there’s no way I’m trying to be smart here. But not every activity is related to the virus.

Buster the Bear 24th Mar 2020 23:21

Or it could be that airports, so desperate for cash, are more welcoming to the military?

Startledgrapefruit 25th Mar 2020 08:13


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10727076)
Or it could be that airports, so desperate for cash, are more welcoming to the military?

In this case I would say there is no choice.

BA318 25th Mar 2020 08:36


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10727048)
Really? They paid a visit to LCY a few months ago before the virus caused the first dry throat. They also visited SEN a number of weeks back.

People are dying so there’s no way I’m trying to be smart here. But not every activity is related to the virus.

I’m well aware it’s not the first time one has visited. However In other European countries the Air Force has been used to transfer patients in a similar way. As you say it may we’ll be training but I would be surprised if we don’t see this asset being used to assist in the fight given it’s close proximity to the Excel.

inOban 25th Mar 2020 08:53

AIUI the hospital is to provide extra capacity for the London area. I don't think that there are any plans to bring in patients from elsewhere. Staff, maybe.

virginblue 25th Mar 2020 11:11

You never know. Italian and French patients are airlifted to German ICUs. There could also be a need to airlift patients from London should hospitals become overwhelmed, given that London is the UK's COVID19 hotspot. Just like the French are airlifting patients from their hotspot in Alsace to hospitals in the south of France.

davidjohnson6 25th Mar 2020 15:34

Airport to suspend commercial + private flights until the end of April
https://www.londoncityairport.com/coronavirus

AirportPlanner1 25th Mar 2020 15:55

As far as I can tell they were down to a morning KLM
and an evening BA to IOM, with 1x daily Dundee coming on Sunday.

The BA flight is still on sale all the way through and is the only link between London and IOM. I wonder if this will go to SEN perhaps along with Dundee given the Loganair connection (SEN itself will be down to just an evening Logan to Derry on most days), go into LHR with the rest of BA as I can’t imagine an ATR would be too much of an issue there right now, or even pulled altogether.

Red Four 25th Mar 2020 16:29

Well as no NOTAM yet issued, does this mean that it will be kept open and operational for a military invasion?

Alteagod 25th Mar 2020 16:36

I bet its linked to the convention centre being converted to Hospital. Maybe use airport as medivac base perhaps.

Breathe 25th Mar 2020 16:40


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10727910)
As far as I can tell they were down to a morning KLM
and an evening BA to IOM, with 1x daily Dundee coming on Sunday.

The BA flight is still on sale all the way through and is the only link between London and IOM. I wonder if this will go to SEN perhaps along with Dundee given the Loganair connection (SEN itself will be down to just an evening Logan to Derry on most days), go into LHR with the rest of BA as I can’t imagine an ATR would be too much of an issue there right now, or even pulled altogether.

It would be quite a surreal sight to see an ATR landing at a ghostly LHR!

22/04 25th Mar 2020 16:54

Will the IOM go to LHR temporarily


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