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LAX_LHR 23rd Oct 2017 02:32

That's fine Zooker,

I get your frustration, but I just didn't see why my name had to be dragged into it all, as I hadn't actually commented on the debate about staff east and such.

ZOOKER 23rd Oct 2017 10:46

LAX,

Apologies, the only reason I mentioned you is that you seem to be the most prolific poster of information pertaining to new services and changes to existing ones. You obviously have access to sources of information which others on here do not.

The suggestion of a separate discussion was only a passing-thought, the idea being to prevent folk having to scroll through many posts which are unrelated to the subject they are interested in. Once the TP gets fully underway, I suspect there will be many pages of interesting observations.

chaps1954 23rd Oct 2017 10:58

ZOOKER if you actually look LAX has already set a forum for TP
Manchester Airport | Terminal 2 redevelopment - SkyscraperCity

Ian

LAX_LHR 23rd Oct 2017 11:07

No worries Zooker.

Some post different things as people have different fortes, mine is route news so it's what I post.

It's what can make a forum great, people have different knowledge bases so creates a great point of reference.

GavinC 23rd Oct 2017 13:25

Warning - This article is about improvements to access to MAN by Bus, Train and Metrolink. Only read if interested!


https://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/new...transport-hub/

TURIN 23rd Oct 2017 23:32


Perhaps not riveting, but neither is news of a new airline starting services in my opinion.
Personally, news of an airline starting a new route is the primary reason I come to this forum.

So, if anyone would like to start a new one entitled 'MAN/EGCC/Ringway Buses and Trains Through the Ages' do feel free.

Plus-One here for Lax's input by the way. Some of the snippets he has posted have actually saved me from potential redundancy.

ZOOKER 24th Oct 2017 00:58

TURIN,

Loads of news of new airlines starting routes over the years.

SAA, QANTAS, Gulf Air, Cubana, MALEV, LOT, to name a few.

All introduced with big corporate fanfares.

Several years later......They've gone.

Just saying....

Ex Cargo Clown 24th Oct 2017 03:45


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 9934523)
TURIN,

Loads of news of new airlines starting routes over the years.

SAA, QANTAS, Gulf Air, Cubana, MALEV, LOT, to name a few.

All introduced with big corporate fanfares.

Several years later......They've gone.

Just saying....

Only have to around the roads next to T2 to see what we lost. Odd you menthioned SAA, I remember getting of the school bus early just to see it's first arrival. As for QF, BA killed that.

Logohu 24th Oct 2017 04:39

Airlines come and go (many literally), but by and large are quickly replaced by others :-

Qantas - dropped all of Europe (except LHR) when they jumped into bed with Emirates. QF probably sell more seats from MAN today on the 3x daily EK flights than they ever did on their own metal.
SAA - busily self destructing under the weight of corruption and better competition, nowadays barely able to maintain an A330 service to LHR
Gulf Air - relegated to a bit player when its key shareholding states decided to form their own airlines. Emirates, Etihad, Qatar and Oman now rule the ME skies
Cubana - was a short lived pseudo tourist flight (or was it a tech stop ?). Long since replaced by much better and higher capacity offerings to Cuba from TCX and TUI.
MALEV and LOT - both done for in the UK by Ryanair, Jet2, Easyjet, Wizz - as were most state owned East European airlines

A glance back at a MAN timetable from just 10 years ago shows just how quickly the industry evolves. Airlines featuring then included Sky Europe, Czech Airlines, BMI, Air Berlin, Zoom, Continental, City Airlines, VLM, Hapag Lloyd Express, Air Blue, Cyprus Airways, BA metal to JFK - to name but a few. All now gone, but always replaced in one form or another.

Betablockeruk 24th Oct 2017 11:06

Talking of

how quickly the industry evolves
Primera just announced YYZ from STN. So, when are we going to get an aggressive long haul lo-cost operator. Not the slow burn TCX or VIR. Selfishly speaking, my family accounts need a 275 LAX return fare as offered by Norwegian from LGW!

LAX_LHR 24th Oct 2017 11:14

But that 275 far you don't get bags or food.

I wouldn't call TCX slow burn either, their network has grown amazingly in the 4-5 years they have been at it. While the Norwegian growth has been very impressive, We are yet to see if it's all sustainable.

MUFC_fan 24th Oct 2017 11:42

Looking at some of the Virgin fares early next summer which include bags, meals, FF points etc - no difference to any TATL LCC, in fact cheaper than TCX on every date I checked! East and west coasts.

Skipness One Echo 24th Oct 2017 14:03


Primera just announced YYZ from STN. So, when are we going to get an aggressive long haul lo-cost operator. Not the slow burn TCX or VIR. Selfishly speaking, my family accounts need a 275 LAX return fare as offered by Norwegian from LGW!
In Feb, with hand baggage going hungry and coming back the next day.......
Careful what you wish for mind, I think TXC and VS are coming up against the limits of the market they're in, I thought BOS and SFO with VS would have been bigger winners and they together would have played a part in AA dropping 1/3 of their operation.

roverman 24th Oct 2017 19:00

Shot with both barrels.
 
It's a pity that BOS and SFO have seen the classic MAN phenomenon of going from zero to too much capacity/competition in one hit. Either one of VS and TCX left alone on these routes would be successful and grow frequency. Instead, they are flying on the same days at the same time. Perhaps somehow the market will discourage over-provision without MAN losing the destination, leaving each airline to choose their own best and dedicated portfolio. NYC, MCO, LAS, and ORD are perhaps the only US cities which can sustain multiple providers out of MAN.

Interestingly, a friend recently flew MAN-PHL-BOS and return on AA and crowed about the experience, even when I pointed out that there were direct options.

Dobbo_Dobbo 24th Oct 2017 19:39

Why is everyone saying there is too much capacity on SFO and BOS?

Have I missed something - or are one of TCX/VS about to make some cuts?

roverman 24th Oct 2017 21:05


Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo (Post 9935489)
Why is everyone saying there is too much capacity on SFO and BOS?

Have I missed something - or are one of TCX/VS about to make some cuts?

VS cut back this summer's programme on both routes to end Sept, previously had been end October. For Summer 18 they are operating a shorter season than '17 on both, so suggests the market is weak or over-supplied. I think TCX have actually increased by one frequency on BOS next year (help me someone) so it may be tipping their way.

LAX_LHR 24th Oct 2017 21:12

Currently even MT have cut back a little. SEA/BOS now run May-Sept (SEA I can't help but feel they are approaching it wrong but time will tell). The 3rd SFO is now a similar short season.

I've been told it may be temporarily cut back while they source the A330 they need and that the routes will then be restored back to the original plans. November should reveal all.


In other news, looks like Flybe are to announce MAN-BOD as it appears as a direct route option on their route map. Long time unserved route back into the fold hopefully.

Dobbo_Dobbo 24th Oct 2017 21:19

Aren't VS experiencing issues with their fleet? The B789s are causing the A333s to be used on more LHR routes and creating a shortage of frames for MAN (hence why B744 is used on JFK and ATL in S18)?

boredintheairport 24th Oct 2017 23:17

FR3217 operated by Alitalia
 
Hi all,

Idly checking flightradar following a friend's flight and I saw that tonight's FR3217 (Bergamo - Manchester) is being operated by a plane reg EI-DSG which is an Alitalia A320.

Is this a long-term lease? Or a one-off to cover a failure?

Trav a la 24th Oct 2017 23:50


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9934936)
But that 275 far you don't get bags or food.

I wouldn't call TCX slow burn either, their network has grown amazingly in the 4-5 years they have been at it. While the Norwegian growth has been very impressive, We are yet to see if it's all sustainable.

Completely agree, and I think this report supports that view too.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/te...york-69-worth/


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