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Skipness One Echo 25th Sep 2017 23:13

On Virgin, is it correct that Cabin Crew are MAN based and cross qualified on both B744/A333? Does MAN also have a pilot base for both types or are they LHR/LGW based?

LAX_LHR 26th Sep 2017 02:32

MAN is both a pilot and cabin crew base IIRC.

Navpi 26th Sep 2017 07:17


Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo (Post 9903979)
On Virgin, is it correct that Cabin Crew are MAN based and cross qualified on both B744/A333? Does MAN also have a pilot base for both types or are they LHR/LGW based?

Virgin seem to be building quite a base at Manchester.

I'm not an analyst so have little idea about the industry but if Virgin can make it work why couldn't BA ?

It just seems odd.

Betablockeruk 26th Sep 2017 09:47

Just a sign of things (not) to come.

LPL 50m rvr from 2235 resulted in 11 diversions away. 3 to NCL, 3 BHX, 2 LBA, 2 BRS and 1 (one) to the nearest airport MAN...

Copy & paste 'reasons for no diversions at MAN' article rewritten every year since the infamous KLM MD11 incident.

ZOOKER 26th Sep 2017 10:23

Betablocker,

Do you have a link to details of the KLM MD11 incident, please?

Purely because it's one I haven't heard about.

chaps1954 26th Sep 2017 10:39

Don`t bother starting it up again then Beteablocker

MANFOD 26th Sep 2017 11:08

But the reasons for not accepting diversions since the KLM MD-11 incident decades ago have varied.

These allegedly include:
Failure to clear snow effectively one snowy winter which led to the no-divs notam for a couple of weeks.
No fuel available
Lack of parking stands
Problems with handling agents due staff shortages and refusal to work overtime.

I expect parking stands could be an issue this winter with the TP work, but as reported elsewhere, it was apparently a handling agent staff shortage situation that again restricted diversions last evening. I realise we have more flights of our own than the airfields that accepted diversions but presumably respective staffing levels should reflect that.

Personally, I just wish the airport and airlines could get it sorted. At busy times, it must affect the handling of our own flights.

LAX_LHR 26th Sep 2017 12:27

The Pier build has officially begun:

http://i68.tinypic.com/mv25o3.jpg

The96er 26th Sep 2017 13:43


I expect parking stands could be an issue this winter with the TP work, but as reported elsewhere, it was apparently a handling agent staff shortage situation that again restricted diversions last evening. I realise we have more flights of our own than the airfields that accepted diversions but presumably respective staffing levels should reflect that.

Personally, I just wish the airport and airlines could get it sorted. At busy times, it must affect the handling of our own flights.
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There's currently one handling agent that are suffering from chronic under staffing that is affecting their ability to handle their own schedule let alone diverted flights.

Betablockeruk 26th Sep 2017 14:30


Personally, I just wish the airport and airlines could get it sorted
Yep. We could write a book with that title :)

it = everything that an airport should be good at i.e. moving planes and moving passengers.

Anyway, did they not get a celeb MP type to dig the first hole?

cornishsimon 26th Sep 2017 15:30

First time nqy-man has topped 10k a month from what I remember. Decent growth on this route

Mr A Tis 26th Sep 2017 16:14


LPL 50m rvr from 2235 resulted in 11 diversions away. 3 to NCL, 3 BHX, 2 LBA, 2 BRS and 1 (one) to the nearest airport MAN
MAN struggles to handle it's own flights, without any others. Sadly, these days it's the only option MAN has-no divs.

MANFOD 26th Sep 2017 16:33

That may well be the case as things stand but I hope MAN are not that complacent about the situation.

Good news about the extra VS capacity next summer on JFK & ATL whatever the reason. After all, they could have decided just to operate one or both of the routes less than daily.

eggc 26th Sep 2017 19:38

Last count I did MAN had more or less as many based units as it has stands, nearly all full at night - I'm hardly surprised LPL divs went elsewhere at that time of night. The place is bulging at the seems with its own metal, diversions will be sent elsewhere for many years to come. I don't see the problem TBH, not MAN's job to leave spare stands incase LBA, LPL or anywhere else maybe fogbound.

Navpi 26th Sep 2017 22:14

I can confirm 94 aircraft on the ground at 2200 last night.

Skipness One Echo 26th Sep 2017 22:41

If we had a joined up transport policy then a degree of contingency planning would be required.
We don’t, therefore it’s not.

Even Edinburgh no longer has the ability to park business jets for long as they closed the GAT. On occasion, business traffic for Edinburgh drops off passengers at EDI then positions out to GLA for parking only to return later. Hardly green or best practice but airport privatisation and shareholders needing ROI comes at a price.

Dobbo_Dobbo 26th Sep 2017 23:06


Originally Posted by cornishsimon (Post 9904583)
First time nqy-man has topped 10k a month from what I remember. Decent growth on this route

That is a relatively under the radar success story. I wonder if it is O&D traffic or transfer traffic (which could be short or long haul) using the route?

sparkysam 27th Sep 2017 00:44

Travelled out of Man to YYJ via KEF and SEA absolutely no problems at Man. KEF very busy with transfer traffic and undergoing some building work. Returned on Monday on TCX from SFO again no problem and from deplaning to getting home in Stockport 80 minutes. The A330 carried 304 passengers and 13 crew with about 30 people transferring to flights to Frankfurt and Milan Cheers Sam

cornishsimon 27th Sep 2017 02:10

NQY-MAN is a bit of everything from personal observation on the route.

Plenty of flybe U.K./euro transfers
Plenty of MAN/NQY terminating traffic
Decent amount of onward longhaul connections with plenty of codeshare customers checking in at NQY

However. As said. This is a successful route, ideally it could further increase with the use of NQY based equipment with an early AM departure

Betablockeruk 27th Sep 2017 09:11

Manchester Airport sets out on community engagement over plans to extend dual-runway operation hours | Knutsford Guardian


From summer 2018, it is proposed that DRO will be active from 6am to 9pm Monday to Friday, 6am to 4pm on Saturdays, and 6am to 9.30am and 1pm to 9pm on Sundays.
Runway 1 and Runway 2? Does that mean 02/20 is Runway 3 :}


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