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The airport also are offering click and collect for part of the duty free so that is one way the airport is looking at still giving you options for duty free when time is tight

I see their Facebook page is advising passengers to arrive between 2 and 3 hours before departure, depending on destination. For an 0600 T/O that's an 0300 arrival time.......Nice!

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Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10201521)

While I share your pessimism about the new road opening by the advertised ‘late summer’, which gives them 2 months, it’s worth saying that the last stages of a new road can happen very quickly if it’s mainly tarmacing and putting up a few lampposts and roadsigns. The new road layout at the top of the motorway spur at MAN seemed to go from a mess to opening in a matter of days. That said my money’s on Christmas.....

Yes I agree with all that once the new A555 extension is open it will relieve a lot of the traffic problems around the airport currently

But in the long term it's bad planning typical UK no forward planning, the A555 extension will eventually extend from Hazel Grove to Bredbury this has been planned then shelved too many times over the last 40 years or more, the original plan was for it to be motorway from Bredbury to Manchester Airport which would then give Stockport it's own miniature orbital motorway, but more importantly it would take traffic off the M60/M56 which everyday tails back from Cheadle to Denton each rush hour and also tails back from M56 Lymm to Stockport everyday (even tonight I passed the cargo turn off at 4pm and got off the M60 at Portwood at 4.45pm a drive that would take no more than 5 minutes at less busy times)
When the new A555 opens it will be OK, but if and when the extension opens to Bredbury it will become horrendous, it will then be used for traffic coming from East Manchester and beyond heading to wales or M6 to avoid going through the bottle neck of Stockport in the rush hour,there's already too many roundabouts or lights on the new road especially at Poynton garden centre this will build up delays with locals also using the new road instead of building with bridges/slip roads (yes roundabouts/lights are cheaper) this will only become how the A34 Handforth bypass is now queues and more queues

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Originally Posted by SQ380 (Post 10201760)

Wow - all in three sentences...:ok:

The Bredbury extension has just been kicked into the long grass again, so it won't be happening for many years if at all - see here.
A6 to M60 Relief Road Statement SEMMMS
which contains this snippet (my bold) -

At the December meeting of Full Council, it was also agreed that a request be made to government to fund this next stage of business case development work, with the aim of undertaking the work in time for the next phase of large local major scheme bidding which was indicated to be later on this year. DfT have advised us that they have no current plans to fund feasibility work.

We will continue to work closely with DfT and TfGM to explore potential future funding opportunities to develop the proposal and develop the next stage of the business case. If there are no resources identified for feasibility work in the short term we will need to consider funding following the outcome of the SEMMMS refresh.

I wonder about all the traffic using the A34 / A6 which will now come past the Airport to access the M56 / M60 instead of going into Stockport or Cheadle. Of course there is no grade separation at the Airport save for the T2 roundabout. But no doubt the Highways engineers have done all their modelling...:hmm:

And Curious Pax noted

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That said my money’s on Christmas.....

but of course didn't say which year....;)

Can I remind everyone of the first rule of traffic management: traffic expands to fill the space available. These new roads will be just as congested as the old.

And I expect that the bus services are being destroyed because, so long as they have share space with other vehicles, they are unable to deliver a reliable timetable.

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The airport also are offering click and collect for part of the duty free so that is one way the airport is looking at still giving you options for duty free when time is tight

Have you used click and collect?

From my previous experience, you still have to queue at the check out- then there is a lot of faffing with paperwork- even more so if you want to collect on return. It's quicker to pick the item off the shelf.

My last trip through T1 saw almost every single shop empty- I had planned spending £800 in Dixons- but no time ( even though I arrived at airport 2.5 hours before departure)

The duty free shops and food outlets presumably pay massive rents to MAG. If their passenger footfall at MAN amounts solely to a run through to reach the gate on time then won’t they also be giving MAG management grief?

Anyone know what took Liverpool out to Charlotte this morning, I’m sure it was VS but fr24 is showing nothing

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Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10202570)

Anyone know what took Liverpool out to Charlotte this morning, I’m sure it was VS but fr24 is showing nothing

You're correct it was VS and was A340 G-VRED I believe.

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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10202594)

You're correct it was VS and was A340 G-VRED I believe.

You are spot on there Scottie Dog.

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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10201584)

UASS

http://mag-umbraco-media-live.s3.ama...et-2018_19.pdf

The fees on your ticket can be directly broken down & if it says you are paying MAN you will be paying MAN -the airline is merely a collector. It would be deception for an airline to charge you a PSC and then not pass it on in full.

Okay, well even if the airline genuinely passes on the full charge to the airport (sure it doesn't happen for every carrier), the airport will then offer an agreed discount or refund to many airlines per passenger in line with a contract which negates some or all of that fee. All comes to the same thing for the airport, whereby they hope to instead drive revenue from pasengers from car parks and retail (And drop off?!)
It doesn't happen at LHR, or other regulated airports where fees & charges are non-negotiable, but will happen at most regional airports I'd say.

Quite correct SD

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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10202594)

You're correct it was VS and was A340 G-VRED I believe.

The plane was indeed G-VRED, Scarlett Lady A340-600. Nothing MAJORLY fancy inside (for people on £80,000 + per week)!
The best part (or worst as a Manc), was the awfully tacky white leather headrest covers emblazoned with the liverpool crest, and liverpool FC Summer 2018.
Seems the only people to chat, even for a few seconds, were Milner, Rush, Fowler, & Klopp (who was a good egg). Rest were heads down, cap on, hood up, & earphones in.
I thought a 03.00 departure was because they didn't want to bee seen flying from our fantastic city but, and it makes sense, I was told it's because they play less than 48 hours later and this time slot reduces jet-lag.

Why do you need a 300+ seat aircraft for 20 people?

ZOOKER forgetting the trainers medics personal coaches media advertisers and certainly a few price winners of one sort or another including kids from the club scouts.

Plenty of Hangers on to fill the back end of the bus so to speak

At least it nominally British rather than Greek , Maltese, Malaysian, Turkish or from the sandpit be thankful for that !

Fridays Cathay A350 seems to have had a serious hydraulic leak during landing and is still being repaired today.

Incident: Cathay Pacific A359 near Manchester on Jul 20th 2018, hydraulic leak

There is also a PIA B77W now spending its 3rd day at MAN too. Not sure what the issue was with that one.

MANTP Photographic update

I would also imagine the A340 is the aircraft with the lowest utilisation in the VS fleet so was the easiest choice available

Nice chance to catch a Lufthansa widebody at MAN, been a while since the last one. A340-600 D-AIHI due 1640 for paint.

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Originally Posted by UnderASouthernSky (Post 10200622)

What chaos has it caused?

The T1 arrivals car park has certainly been chaotic when I've seen it whilst passing through over the last couple of weeks. Since they've completely outlawed (on pain of a £100 fine) pick ups from the forecourts, it is now completely clogged with taxis and other cars to the extent that they're queuing all the way round the car park back to the entrance and out on to the road. The result is traffic worse than it was before they introduced these changes.

I don't think at this point that anyone truly believes that the real goal is to reduce congestion. If they really thought the drop-off car park was to be a viable alternative, the bus service would be more frequent than every 15 minutes, and they would also allow its use for pick ups.

The charges introduced are something which would be more readily accepted by passengers were it not for the experience that greets them inside the airport. Day after day it's long queues for security, passport control (I know UKBF are responsible, but are MAN management truly powerless to do anything about what is a long-standing issue?), taxis on arrival and various other issues.

The excuses like one security lane out of service being the reason for the horrendous queues recently simply don't ring true. I'm a regular passenger through T1, and I can't remember the last time more than 75% of the lanes were open, let alone all of them. One of the lifts up to the T1 car park was out of service this morning, leaving that whole area packed to the gills with people queuing for the other two. I've just returned from being away for a few days, but was told by someone that it has been like that for over a week.

People can blame the airlines for the fees (or lack of) that they pay, but that comes down to what MAN management have agreed. Passenger numbers have grown by 40% in the last five years. That has unquestionably led to an increase in revenue for the airport, but it certainly isn't reflected in the passenger experience (unlike the dividends that are being paid out) at present. The new T2 project is very welcome but it's not a panacea. It almost feels like they've simply given up in the mean time and are willing to ride it out until T2 comes online, but that isn't going to solve issues of management.