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compton3bravo 6th Dec 2018 07:24

A wide burger range - says it all about the eating habits of the Great British public! Dropping the Laker name - how could they - outrageous - for all what he did for the airport and aviation in general.

Planespeaking 6th Dec 2018 07:36


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10329146)
A wide burger range - says it all about the eating habits of the Great British public! Dropping the Laker name - how could they - outrageous - for all what he did for the airport and aviation in general.

Quite agree, if it wasn't for Sir Freddie and his committment to SEN in the 50s and 60s it is likely Southend 's airport may well have been a housing estate by now. Bring back the Laker name!!

AirportPlanner1 6th Dec 2018 07:45

I have to agree. Even though it’s now been taken on by a large operator, there’s no excuse for not retaining the Lakers name. Wetherspoons don’t seem to have a problem with individual names at sites that reflect the building’s past or something locally significant.

I suspect someone in corporate office or their brand consultancy has said “what the hell is Laker, we need something bang on point for an airport, a bit retro so it’s trendy...oh yes, the Navigator”.

Credit where it’s due though for stocking local beers.

DC3 Dave 6th Dec 2018 08:25

I suppose you could name the terminal after Freddie Laker, but what would Mr Tinker feel about it?

Possibly the way around this dilemma would be to name the access road, The Andrew Tinkler Way. Or maybe The Andrew Tinkler Baggage Reclaim Hall would keep everyone happy.

Planespeaking 6th Dec 2018 08:38


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10329194)
I suppose you could name the terminal after Freddie Laker, but what would Mr Tinker feel about it?

Possibly the way around this dilemma would be to name the access road, The Andrew Tinkler Way. Or maybe The Andrew Tinkler Baggage Reclaim Hall would keep everyone happy.

With Tinkler having been booted out by the Stobart Air board I don't think his wishes will carry much weight.

DC3 Dave 6th Dec 2018 08:56


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10329206)

With Tinkler having been booted out by the Stobart Air board I don't think his wishes will carry much weight.

​​​​​​Ah, but Freddie Laker's Skytrain licence was revoked by the government in 1975, yet three years later they gave him a knighthood. So don't be surprised if the name Tinkler appears over a doorway or on a plaque one day.

runwayman 7th Dec 2018 08:14

Winter Adria Paderborn schedule will stop on 6 Jan may be re-instated Summer 2019 depending on advance bookings

Barling Magna 7th Dec 2018 09:42

No surprise there. It was a strange time to start a new schedule.

tophat27dt 7th Dec 2018 11:04


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10330136)
No surprise there. It was a strange time to start a new schedule.

Yes. Should have started may 1st

southside bobby 7th Dec 2018 15:58

Adria/Paderborn..."may be re-instated Summer 2019 depending on advance bookings"...

A rather catchall rather dubious statement of intent.

May they perhaps consider future ops from STN with their projected new SSJ`s?.

Planespeaking 7th Dec 2018 17:32


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10330462)
Adria/Paderborn..."may be re-instated Summer 2019 depending on advance bookings"...

A rather catchall rather dubious statement of intent.

May they perhaps consider future ops from STN with their projected new SSJ`s?.

Let's hope so SSB with SSJ's from STN!!


AirportPlanner1 7th Dec 2018 19:24


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10330462)
May they perhaps consider future ops from STN with their projected new SSJ`s?.

If they did it would be equally as unsuccessful unless they improve their schedule and lower their prices.

Expressflight 8th Dec 2018 07:29


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10330586)


If they did it would be equally as unsuccessful unless they improve their schedule and lower their prices.

It was a hopeless schedule from all perspectives being Tuesday and Thursday early afternoon and Sunday morning. It didn't meets the needs of the weekend break market nor the business user. It needed something like Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday (p.m.) as a minimum with promotional weekend break fares. Whoever did the feasibility study for the route didn't do much of a job in that respect or the airline didn't listen.

LGS6753 12th Dec 2018 09:28

An interesting analysis from Blue Swan Daily:

https://blueswandaily.com/london-cal...al-congestion/

AirportPlanner1 16th Dec 2018 19:07

I see the inaugural Sofia flight today didn’t quite go to plan...it diverted to Bucharest due to weather

mikkie4 16th Dec 2018 21:05

to much SNOW ,pax put in hotels & will continue their flight to SOFIA on MONDAY

runwayman 17th Dec 2018 09:10

New service to Chisinau in Moldova (for those who don't know!) by Fly One starting 19 July twice weekly they operate 1 x A319 & 2 X A320 !

tophat27dt 17th Dec 2018 10:33


Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10337483)
New service to Chisinau in Moldova (for those who don't know!) by Fly One starting 19 July twice weekly they operate 1 x A319 & 2 X A320 !

Good news but I hope their schedule doesn't clash with those of Air Moldova into STN.

AirportPlanner1 17th Dec 2018 11:37

Good news, though I’ve got a feeling they announced STN previously and it never came to fruition.

This will be SEN’s first late departure, going out at 22:40 on Tuesday and Friday. Connections to Moscow are also on sale.

Expressflight 17th Dec 2018 11:44


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10337579)
Good news, though I’ve got a feeling they announced STN previously and it never came to fruition.

The Air Moldova website shows KIV-STN as bookable 5 x weekly. To me KIV-SEN seems an odd choice of route.

AirportPlanner1 17th Dec 2018 11:45

I don’t think I’ve seen it reported but Cagliari is dropped next year. So Air Malta will be 5x weekly - 2x weekly Catania and 3x weekly Malta.

SWBKCB 17th Dec 2018 12:45


To me KIV-SEN seems an odd choice of route.
Isn't this the sort of market SEN was after - new entrants which want an alternative to the other LON airports?

tophat27dt 17th Dec 2018 12:48


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10337633)
Isn't this the sort of market SEN was after - new entrants which want an alternative to the other LON airports?

Yes indeed. Let's hope the service will be better advertised both sides than the Paderborn was.

mikkie4 17th Dec 2018 12:59

The connection to MOSCOW could be a good thing if the timing is right and to be able to book a thru ticket,,,,SEN -MOSCOW BRING IT ON

Expressflight 17th Dec 2018 13:01


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 10337633)
Isn't this the sort of market SEN was after - new entrants which want an alternative to the other LON airports?

Yes but your choice of routes needs care. A small market already well covered at two other LON airports doesn't tick many boxes with me.

tophat27dt 17th Dec 2018 13:08


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10337647)
Yes but your choice of routes needs care. A small market already well covered at two other LON airports doesn't tick many boxes with me.

Do we know how many weeks the flights will operate?

DC3 Dave 17th Dec 2018 13:11

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/173...thend-airport/

davidjohnson6 17th Dec 2018 13:23

London-Moscow is about 4 hours flying time.
Going via Chisinau adds at least an hour of flying time without even considering time for an aircraft to climb/descend or time changing planes

I've flown with FlyOne and AirMoldova - neither is luxurious. If Easyjet can't make London-Moscow work, then along with the plethora of options via places like Amsterdam, Frankfurt or Copenhagen it will be very hard to persuade people to buy Southend-Chisinau-Moscow unless the price is very low

Expressflight 17th Dec 2018 13:28


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10337587)
I don’t think I’ve seen it reported but Cagliari is dropped next year. So Air Malta will be 5x weekly - 2x weekly Catania and 3x weekly Malta.

Average pax loads on CAG were around 100 since the route commenced this summer.

Barling Magna 17th Dec 2018 15:54


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10337670)
Average pax loads on CAG were around 100 since the route commenced this summer.

Could be a successful route for an E195 then....?

tophat27dt 17th Dec 2018 16:21


Originally Posted by Barling Magna (Post 10337740)
Could be a successful route for an E195 then....?

But at what price per seat I wonder.

AirportPlanner1 17th Dec 2018 16:49


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10337665)
it will be very hard to persuade people to buy Southend-Chisinau-Moscow unless the price is very low

I flew MAN-SEN and someone was connecting to GLA. People will definitely fly SEN-Chisinau-Moscow if it saves them a tenner.

compton3bravo 17th Dec 2018 18:51

On the same day Wizz announced a new route to Catania from Luton (did Air Malta know) and increasing the Chisinau service from nine to ten weekly. I think Air Moldova will need all the luck they can muster.

DC3 Dave 17th Dec 2018 21:23

It's never good to read that a route will end, but I see Air Malta's decision to continue into the summer of 2019 as a real positive. Or looked at from another way, had they called it a day that would have been a kick in the teeth for SEN.

DC3 Dave 17th Dec 2018 21:59

Glyn Jones has been quiet for so long I wondered if he'd been poisoned by a dodgy cockle or whelk from Old Leigh. Here he seems back to his best:

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/173...essful-decade/

Tagron 18th Dec 2018 06:07

It looks to me that the Air Malta SEN - Cagliari service has only been suspended for the winter. The Air Malta timetable shows it resuming on March 31 then continuing through S19 .
So the KM schedule for SEN summer 2019 is daily. 3 x MLA non stop, 2 via CTA, 2 via CAG

tophat27dt 18th Dec 2018 06:43


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10337587)
I don’t think I’ve seen it reported but Cagliari is dropped next year. So Air Malta will be 5x weekly - 2x weekly Catania and 3x weekly Malta.

I heard differently.......

rog747 18th Dec 2018 06:47

Can KM make MLA non-stop without payload limits?

AirportPlanner1 18th Dec 2018 13:46


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10338136)
I heard differently.......

Source? There are no flights to book for either Cagliari or Malta on the two days it previously operated. That is for June, not winter.

SEN Observer 18th Dec 2018 14:29

Cagliari
 
tophat......What have you heard differently? I have just had a poke around on Air Malta's booking site and every time I tried Southend to Cagliari for June next year I got redirected to Heathrow flights. Obviously not saying you're wrong, but what goes on?


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