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Most people in the southend conurbation ****e their pants at having to cross the a127 at peak time.. Never mind the ****eshow that is the a130/a12 junction. Chuck in a school run and you need supplies in your car . ryanair will always have a market for Dublin from Southend at a low level |
Most people in the southend conurbation ****e their pants at having to cross the a127 at peak time.. Never mind the ****eshow that is the a130/a12 junction. Chuck in a school run and you need supplies in your car . ryanair will always have a market for Dublin from Southend at a low level |
Strange. I see little of a defensive aura here over FR. But someone mentions SEN could try again for a humble PSO route and pop pop pop. But we all know STN will always have more continental connections. We all know STN will always have top class coach services. As for pointing out that Cambridge can be reached faster from STN, well I never.
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‘Top class coach services’ now there’s a sentence you don’t hear very often |
My post regarding PSO is portrayed incorrectly as may have be assumed it would be beforehand anyway.
"Humble" PSO?.....well hardly you may wish to refer that terminology to the Derry region. I`m more interested in portraying the advantages to the customer which is the reality & reasoning surely with a PSO...& certainly is not "pop pop pop" & a cut & paste from the STN brochure as alluded to. Well aware any operator to any "London" airport can bid however in this instance STN compared with SEN for the customer has little contest of course. Did not mention London access deliberately but was raised in argument anyway as expected. It is not all about London as Cambridge is a focus area now too. |
It seems SEN has won another best airport award, for the third year running.. Well done SEN.
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Winning an industry-best award is great for senior management at the awards dinner party but otherwise pointless. Airlines and (even more so) passengers generally don't care whether you came first or middle-of-the-table when buying an air ticket. Southend is not trying to compete with Farnborough / Biggin Hill for the luxury experience. Acadaemia prizes the A* award, the rest of the world prefers the cheaper-to-achieve-but-good-enough B+
Even the airport which seems regularly to be ranked worst (yes, the one in/near Bedfordshire, I'm looking at you) is seeing huge growth in pax numbers over the last few years It says to me that the terminal is likely to be significantly underused and (even with Ryanair coming), there should be a significant effort towards pulling in more airlines and routes. Being able to go through a near-empty airport feels nice at the time but to a passenger an airport is simply a port facility. The people of London and East Anglia are best served when Southend is operating at 90% of capacity - it means high levels of connectivity to the rest of the world, boosts the local economy and leads to strong competition with other airports to ensure everyone involved in air transport is operating at the top of their game |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10297085)
Winning an industry-best award is great for senior management at the awards dinner party but otherwise pointless. Airlines and (even more so) passengers generally don't care whether you came first or middle-of-the-table when buying an air ticket. Southend is not trying to compete with Farnborough / Biggin Hill for the luxury experience. Acadaemia prizes the A* award, the rest of the world prefers the cheaper-to-achieve-but-good-enough B+
Even the airport which seems regularly to be ranked worst (yes, the one in/near Bedfordshire, I'm looking at you) is seeing huge growth in pax numbers over the last few years It says to me that the terminal is likely to be significantly underused and (even with Ryanair coming), there should be a significant effort towards pulling in more airlines and routes. Being able to go through a near-empty airport feels nice at the time but to a passenger an airport is simply a port facility. The people of London and East Anglia are best served when Southend is operating at 90% of capacity - it means high levels of connectivity to the rest of the world, boosts the local economy and leads to strong competition with other airports to ensure everyone involved in air transport is operating at the top of their game Thankyou for your thoughtful input! |
SOUR GRAPES COMES TO MIND
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A little harsh from DJ, but it's hard to argue with what he's saying.
I would say though that over the last few years, I could highlight maybe half a dozen flights from SEN that I've taken for leisure that I simply wouldn't have bothered with if I'd have to have gone from any other port facility. And I'll shortly be booking a couple of NQY flights. If I had to fly from anywhere else, I'd drive. So I do hope the management keep trying to make their customers' terminal experience as hassle free and pleasant as possible, investing as necessary as numbers grow. I don't doubt for a moment though, that if Stobart could swop those awards for a couple of million extra pax they most certainly would. |
What’s the breakdown of these so called awards ? What’s the Questions that are asked and to whom ? There is no way that SEN can be put in any category with any major Airports. Its like putting a 70 year old man into a miss world contest. or a better example move Southend passengers to LGW, STN or LTN and send their passengers to Southend and see where Southend would come in the rankings. Im not Bitter I’m just living in the real world. |
It's not just the terminal experience but getting to and from the airport experience.
Still not great at the weekends with a 2 hour travel time by public transport but at least the end is in sight. Passengers travelling to London Saturday and Sunday services from London Southend Airport to London (via Shenfield) from 1st September until 25th of November will be replaced by a bus service, calling at all stations between London Southend Airport and Shenfield. There are no planned service interruptions between Shenfield and London Liverpool Street. (Average journey time to London – 2 hours and 3 minutes). London Southend has also identified faster routes for its passengers:An airport shared taxi service providing a direct connection to Shenfield available from the taxi marshal service at £15 per passenger. Estimated journey time to Shenfield 30 minutes. X30 bus to Southend Central, connecting you to the c2c line for trains direct to London. Estimated journey time is 11 minutes on bus to Southend Central and one hour from Southend Central on the train. Arriva number 9 bus (located near the Holiday Inn) which stops at Whitegate Road and is a 6-minute walk to Southend Central station, connecting you to the c2c line for trains direct to London. Please note, passengers travelling to London after 22:45, the airport shared taxi service will provide a direct connection to Leigh-on-Sea only for the c2c line, available from the taxi marshal service at £5 per passenger. |
Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 10297289)
What’s the breakdown of these so called awards ? What’s the Questions that are asked and to whom ? There is no way that SEN can be put in any category with any major Airports. Public transport is certainly a current weakness in SEN's offering and hopefully this will improve next year. |
Could not agree more Mr Johnson. It is down to practicalities. My UK base has changed to East Sussex from Bedfordshire so I will now be using Gatwick (not my number one airport), nothing against Southend, Norwich etc. it just down to practicalities ie not having to go very far by train, drive etc. Not sour grapes at all Mikkie grow up.
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So this say it all about Airport awards, CAX has just won one and there hasn’t even been any flights or passengers yet from Carlisle airport Facebook. Carlisle Lake District Airport won the Best General Aviation Airport Award at last night’s AOA Annual Conference Dinner, hosted in Westminster, London. It's a small step in the big picture of the airport's future but one we're immensely proud of! Martin Robinson, the CEO of AOPA, said: "We were pleased to make the award to Carlisle Lake District Airport because of its strategic importance for GA by location." https://tinyurl.com/ycufnf3p |
Too many awards & too much back slapping...
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STN has your goodself to provide all the back slapping it needs.
To be fair the airport may well be too busy to send staff to award ceremonies. |
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10297727)
Too many awards & too much back slapping...
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Stobart Air has "gone rogue"...
Will operate 2 ERJ190`s on a 3 year ACMI deal for BAW/CFE from SEN competitor airport LCY. |
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10297817)
Stobart Air has "gone rogue"...
Will operate 2 ERJ190`s on a 3 year ACMI deal for BAW/CFE from SEN competitor airport LCY. |
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Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10297836)
Where are they getting the aircraft from? They currently have E195’s which cannot operate into LCY. |
Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10297836)
Where are they getting the aircraft from? They currently have E195’s which cannot operate into LCY. |
So Stobart has come to the conclusion that its aircraft can't make money flying out of Southend?
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It certainly appears a slap in the face for SEN doesn`t it.
May also deprive a SEN resident Jota with a lot of income flying for CFE from the City too. |
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10297895)
It certainly appears a slap in the face for SEN doesn`t it.
May also deprive a SEN resident Jota with a lot of income flying for CFE from the City too. |
Purely pointing out the tangled web the Stobart Empire weave & the contradictions that may result.
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Anything to do with boardroom squabbling or just bottom-line economics? *ponders* |
Can't really see why this is any form of slight towards SEN. I don't know the full details but these must be routes that BA wish to operate and Stobart have secured a (I assume) valuable contract to provide a full ACMI service. Had Stobart not done so someone else would have.
So BA have plans to expand at LCY. Well, nothing SEN can do could prevent that. And it isn't as if Stobart have pulled aircraft out of Essex to work for BA. Clearly, they have sourced the aircraft specifically for this work alone. And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN. |
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
(Post 10298051)
Can't really see why this is any form of slight towards SEN. I don't know the full details but these must be routes that BA wish to operate and Stobart have secured a (I assume) valuable contract to provide a full ACMI service. Had Stobart not done so someone else would have.
So BA have plans to expand at LCY. Well, nothing SEN can do could prevent that. And it isn't as if Stobart have pulled aircraft out of Essex to work for BA. Clearly, they have sourced the aircraft specifically for this work alone. And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN. |
Originally Posted by DC3 Dave
(Post 10298051)
And you never know, all this may enhance the prospects of a couple of BA aircraft being kept busy at the weekend at SEN.
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What's happened to the Paderborn flights? Were they not due to be up and running by now? Nothing on the arrival/departure boards.
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer
(Post 10298557)
What's happened to the Paderborn flights? Were they not due to be up and running by now? Nothing on the arrival/departure boards.
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Thanks tophat. Initially I think it was October 30th and they are actually shown on FR24's site but they do seem to get things wrong occasionally.
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Originally Posted by SEN Observer
(Post 10298599)
Thanks tophat. Initially I think it was October 30th and they are actually shown on FR24's site but they do seem to get things wrong occasionally.
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Interesting that reality is portrayed as a "continuing downer" on here.
Reality suggests 40 further positions being created at LCY by the latest Stobart venture. Positive & welcome news. |
I hadn't seen a commencement date previously for the Stobart E190 LCY operations but the Stobart LSE statement issued this morning says 16th November. Than sounds rather sooner than I would have anticipated.
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
(Post 10298609)
I see Jota have a passenger charter flight out to Poland later.
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
(Post 10298609)
Never rely on FR24 for schedules. Refer only to the Southend Airport website
Ironically the final month of Chateauroux was its strongest, although an average of 15 pax isn’t great. |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10298654)
Ironically the final month of Chateauroux was its strongest, although an average of 15 pax isn’t great. |
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