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Tagron 1st Nov 2018 09:59

I think you will find that IG Avion stopped all their other Chateauroux routes at the same time that the SEN route ceased. Their two SF340s are back on what appears to be full time ad hoc charter work, presumably light freight.

compton3bravo 1st Nov 2018 14:37

Do not get too carried away Expressflight regarding Jota G-JOTE freight flights. A grand total of three revenue earning flights - two to Southend and one to Liverpool in October are not going to bring home the bacon so to speak. Let usvc hope things improve this month with the other three freight aircraft are parked up.

southside bobby 1st Nov 2018 15:01

What then could be less of a "continuing downer" in postings...?

News that Santa is again adding to the pax numbers at SEN.

Two EZY forty five minute festive flights from SEN on 1.12.18 flown by Santa himself all in aid of local charities.

Expressflight 1st Nov 2018 15:31


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10298918)
Do not get too carried away Expressflight regarding Jota G-JOTE freight flights. A grand total of three revenue earning flights - two to Southend and one to Liverpool in October are not going to bring home the bacon so to speak. Let usvc hope things improve this month with the other three freight aircraft are parked up.

Have you ever been involved in the air freight business? You don't expect to be inundated with work as soon as you put the aircraft into the market, so one month in I'm sure they will not be concerned. The point I was trying to make was that Jota have very rarely operated revenue charter flights from/to SEN in the past, normally positioning elsewhere to do so, and it was refreshing to see three such flights within as many days.

runwayman 1st Nov 2018 16:58

First flight on 8th DT

tophat27dt 1st Nov 2018 17:28


Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10299024)
First flight on 8th DT

Ok. Thanks

AirportPlanner1 1st Nov 2018 18:31


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10298931)
What then could be less of a "continuing downer" in postings...?

News that Santa is again adding to the pax numbers at SEN.

Two EZY forty five minute festive flights from SEN on 1.12.18 flown by Santa himself all in aid of local charities.

Haven’t these been on ATRs in the last few years? Looks like Santa is more popular this year just like the airport

SEN Observer 1st Nov 2018 21:07


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10299103)


Haven’t these been on ATRs in the last few years? Looks like Santa is more popular this year just like the airport

I think they were EZY last year and JOTA in the years before that; if I'm wrong someone will no doubt put me straight!!

tophat27dt 1st Nov 2018 21:12


Originally Posted by SEN Observer (Post 10299220)
I think they were EZY last year and JOTA in the years before that; if I'm wrong someone will no doubt put me straight!!

I think you are correct.

southside bobby 2nd Nov 2018 11:06

"Can anyone please confirm whether" the SEN terminal is locked up at night "thankyou!!!!".

DC3 Dave 2nd Nov 2018 11:18

Don't answer that, anyone. November 5th's approaching.

Planespeaking 2nd Nov 2018 11:35


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10299630)
"Can anyone please confirm whether" the SEN terminal is locked up at night "thankyou!!!!".

Oh come on SSB, we know SEN isn't your favourite airport, but asking whether the terminal is locked at night just before Guy Fawkes night is a bit obvious!! 🔥

southside bobby 2nd Nov 2018 11:36

Just a rhetorical & tongue in cheek post Dave perhaps you are not up to speed with deleted? postings elsewhere.

Note the "quote" marks.

I thought you were good at this?.

Not sure of November 5th`s sig either.

DC3 Dave 2nd Nov 2018 22:30

Up to speed? Me!!! Bless you!

Is this about the "prodders" debate on the STN thread?

If it is why not air your opinion there? It's totally irrelevant here. No time for sleeping at this airport.

DC3 Dave 5th Nov 2018 19:34

Santa flights from SEN went on sale this morning and sold out within hours. There's a lesson there. Trouble is I haven't got a clue what it is!

22/04 6th Nov 2018 08:31


Santa flights from SEN went on sale this morning and sold out within hours
Good to see. When I was young there was more of this sort of thing-my first flight was with Britannia Airways on a one hour pleasure flight during Luton Open Days and my second in a Cessna 172 that operated most Saturday afternoons from the spectators enclosure. It gets people in the air when they otherwise might not. It could happen from many airports-DSA,EXT,BOH,DTV, etc.

Do Easy have a spare aeroplane at SEN to facilitate this or are they bringing in a spare from somewhere else ( there always are more spares in the winter).

EI-BUD 7th Nov 2018 21:24

So Paderborn, new route from SEN with Adria. How did I miss that. I'm assuming it must have been discussed on here before ...

inOban 7th Nov 2018 22:16

It certainly has been. I'm sure a quick search would show that.

stewyb 8th Nov 2018 13:08

Looks like Volotea/TUI weekly flights to PMI end after S19, assume because of competition from both RYR & EZY!

runwayman 8th Nov 2018 13:35

Adria first flight 2 passengers in & 5 out

southside bobby 8th Nov 2018 13:52

Ouch...

It can only get better.

Re VOE...Appears SEN have the (RYR) tiger firmly by the tail.

tophat27dt 8th Nov 2018 14:50


Originally Posted by runwayman (Post 10305391)
Adria first flight 2 passengers in & 5 out

For sure it can
only get better, but I am concerned the schedule is only for tourists and not appealling to business people enroute to the London area.

stewyb 8th Nov 2018 15:00


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10305446)
For sure it can
only get better, but I am concerned the schedule is only for tourists and not appealling to business people enroute to the London area.

not surprising, have you seen it’s geographical location amongst fields and forests!

southside bobby 8th Nov 2018 15:01

Splendid effort...
A community garden featuring 2000 red ceramic poppies made by hundreds of children from 25 schools in the region unveiled on the lawn in front of the terminal today.

AirportPlanner1 8th Nov 2018 16:34


Originally Posted by stewyb (Post 10305455)


not surprising, have you seen it’s geographical location amongst fields and forests!

Flights between Paderborn and London have operated for far longer than they haven’t and for a long time supported a daily 737. Unfortunately such low frequency on an off-peak schedule with high fares and no marketing is only going to end badly.

tophat27dt 8th Nov 2018 18:15


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10305558)


Flights between Paderborn and London have operated for far longer than they haven’t and for a long time supported a daily 737. Unfortunately such low frequency on an off-peak schedule with high fares and no marketing is only going to end badly.

I do tend to agree. Very little marketing in Essex. I don't know about the German side.

asdf1234 12th Nov 2018 16:27

This should be fun. Share price down to 190p today on the back of the news of the High Court action.

Stobart Group Dispute With Former CEO Set For UK High Court

[ 12 Nov 2018 09:15 ]
LONDON (Alliance News) - A UK judge is preparing to oversee a High Court battle involving a multimillion-pound infrastructure business which started up in an isolated Lake District village half a century ago.
Bosses at Stobart Group PLC, which began life when founder Eddie Stobart went into business as an agricultural contractor in Hesket Newmarket, Cumbria, in the 1960s, have sued former chief executive Andrew Tinkler.
They say Tinkler conspired with other businessmen to harm the company's interests.
Bosses have also have made claims about money spent on air travel, and want a judge to rule that he was lawfully dismissed.
Tinkler, who was chief executive of the business between 2007 and 2017, denies wrongdoing, saying he was removed for no good reason, and has counter-claimed.
Judge Jonathan Russen is set to start overseeing a trial in London on Monday.

Pain in the R's 16th Nov 2018 14:35

Worth having a look at the Flybe thread which shows a bar chart of their UK operation . Seems their SEN routes are a horror story of massive loses and is their worst performing airport. I wasn't expecting that!

DC3 Dave 16th Nov 2018 16:39

If Flybe can sustain heavy losses from an operation where they supposedly take no commercial risk then God help them.

Cyrano 16th Nov 2018 18:17


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10313034)
If Flybe can sustain heavy losses from an operation where they supposedly take no commercial risk then God help them.

The chart only compares fare revenue per route with estimated operating cost for each route (cost of fuel, aircraft, overhead etc). It doesn't take into account any subsidy paid by Stobart (or Cardiff Airport, or whoever) - how could it? So it could be that the SEN routes are profitable for flyBE, just that the profit is not coming from the fare revenue...

DC3 Dave 16th Nov 2018 18:26

Fare revenue to whom?

Cyrano 16th Nov 2018 18:31


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10313115)
Fare revenue to whom?

Fare revenue to the airline, based on the (estimated) average fare charged to the punters. The guys making the chart know that x,000 passengers flew from A to B in September. Their system crawls over the web booking engine on a regular basis from a few months out looking at how much the fare is for all the dates in September. They make some assumptions about the booking curve, i.e. how many people book how long before the flight on which days (and this is where the biggest inaccuracies come in). This lets them estimate roughly how much revenue the airline gets from selling tickets.

AirportPlanner1 16th Nov 2018 22:21

The SEN data I would assume fails to take into account ancillary income from car parking and terminal spend which I would imagine to be considerable. For sure it’s loss making, but not as extreme as made out

LTNman 17th Nov 2018 00:01

Still not a great to be bottom of the list. Are Flybe SEN routes all new? I have totally lost the plot with Southend. Are Flybe routes actually Stobart Air routes?

AirportPlanner1 17th Nov 2018 07:05


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10313310)
Still not a great to be bottom of the list. Are Flybe SEN routes all new? I have totally lost the plot with Southend. Are Flybe routes actually Stobart Air routes?

Yes they are all Stobart Air routes. I don’t think any were new in 2018 but all E195 routes from 2017 that carried on did considerably better in terms of loads. The ATR routes also tick over nicely and it’s these which will continue except MAN which is going, to be replaced by 2x daily Rennes (currently op by the E195) and Newquay. MAN hasn’t been the total disaster though many thought it would, there were 49 for example on board my flight last week. Loads have been variable though, my 15 flights have ranged from 10 to 65.

SWBKCB 17th Nov 2018 07:32


Still not a great to be bottom of the list.
Jesus - lets take some figures derived by a simplistic methodology, ignore any caveats and use them out of context to draw conclusions.

I might as well be at work :sad:

Sharklet_321 20th Nov 2018 04:28

Any fool can fill an aircraft. Load factor means sod-all.

tophat27dt 20th Nov 2018 06:58


Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 (Post 10315208)
Any fool can fill an aircraft. Load factor means sod-all.

Very true but I hope by now everyone knows that.

Expressflight 20th Nov 2018 07:11

The based EZY fleet mix has changed slightly recently and now comprises 2 x A319 and 2 x A320ceo. An A320neo will arrive in a few days but I don't know if that is a permanent replacement for one of the A320ceo.

DC3 Dave 22nd Nov 2018 09:50

I read on another thread that Flybe are dropping NQY-LGW next year, choosing LHR instead.

Any pluses or minuses for SEN-NQY?


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