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canberra97 22nd Nov 2018 10:04


Originally Posted by DC3 Dave (Post 10317164)
I read on another thread that Flybe are dropping NQY-LGW next year, choosing LHR instead.

Any pluses or minuses for SEN-NQY?

Where would Flybe be obtaining expensive and extremely rare slots from at LHR for a flight to Newquay, it would have to be at least twice daily and considering the financial status of the airline I find it very odd to say the least especially as the only slots the airline hold at LHR are the remedy slots used on ABZ and EDI which cannot be used on any other route other than those two.

LGW to NQY is a PSO route and moving it to LHR would be a strange move.

Do you have a link to this other thread?

BA318 22nd Nov 2018 10:12

Its being reported this morning. The route will be four times daily. Lots of articles mention that the service is following an agreement between LHR, The Government and Flybe. The local MP has lobbied hard for this and I assume LHR are happy to help as it boosts their argument that LHR expansion will mean better domestic connections. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-e...ost_type=share

According to twitter these are the timings:
BE801 NQY 0720-0830 LHR
BE803 NQY 1055-1205 LHR
BE805 NQY 1430-1540 LHR
BE807 NQY 1845-1955 LHR

BE802 LHR 0915-1025 NQY
BE804 LHR 1245-1355 NQY
BE806 LHR 1620-1730 NQY
BE808 LHR 2040-2150 NQY

canberra97 22nd Nov 2018 10:16

Well if true good for Flybe and for NQY getting a LHR connection again after all these years since Brymon were flying the route.

BA318 22nd Nov 2018 10:24


Originally Posted by canberra97 (Post 10317188)
Well if true good for Flybe and for NQY getting a LHR connection again after all these years since Brymon were flying the route.

I'm not sure the need to question it. I've linked to the BBC which is as reputable a source as any. It's also been tweeted by Heathrow and Newquay and the local MP.

Planespeaking 22nd Nov 2018 10:27


Originally Posted by canberra97 (Post 10317188)
Well if true good for Flybe and for NQY getting a LHR connection again after all these years since Brymon were flying the route.

Forgive me perhaps I'm missing something but why is a service between LHR and NQY being posted on the SEN thread?

canberra97 22nd Nov 2018 10:32


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10317200)


Forgive me perhaps I'm missing something but why is a service between LHR and NQY being posted on the SEN thread?

It may well be the case that now that Flybe have obtained slots for a NQY to LHR route and the discontinuing of NQY to LGW that the planned NQY to SEN might now even get shelved.

Perhaps that is the reason it's being mentioned on the Southend thread!

compton3bravo 22nd Nov 2018 10:41

Four return services a day, bit over the top. Could think of better use of those slots. Of course all this depends on Flybe surviving the winter.

PDXCWL45 22nd Nov 2018 10:46


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10317213)
Four return services a day, bit over the top. Could think of better use of those slots. Of course all this depends on Flybe surviving the winter.

They operated Gatwick 3 daily on the E195 4 daily won't be a problem and provides Newquay the hub route it's been looking for.

GROUNDHOG 22nd Nov 2018 11:00


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10317200)


Forgive me perhaps I'm missing something but why is a service between LHR and NQY being posted on the SEN thread?

Ironically it may well have relevance to SEN.
As a west country resident using NQY/LGW for European connections I would now almost certainly switch to NQY/SEN rather than LHR because the airport is so user friendly.
LHR for long haul of course so this change may just bring some benefits to SEN and in that respect is relevant.

Planespeaking 22nd Nov 2018 11:04


Originally Posted by GROUNDHOG (Post 10317230)
Ironically it may well have relevance to SEN.
As a west country resident using NQY/LGW for European connections I would now almost certainly switch to NQY/SEN rather than LHR because the airport is so user friendly.
LHR for long haul of course so this change may just bring some benefits to SEN and in that respect is relevant.

Thankyou Groundhog, let's hope others from NQY find SEN also preferable.

TopBunk 22nd Nov 2018 11:51


As a west country resident using NQY/LGW for European connections I would now almost certainly switch to NQY/SEN rather than LHR because the airport is so user friendly.
... because SEN has such an extensive European network for connections:rolleyes:

AirportPlanner1 22nd Nov 2018 12:17


Originally Posted by TopBunk (Post 10317266)
... because SEN has such an extensive European network for connections:rolleyes:

To be fair the range of destinations for 2019 is quite good. The flaw is that with an evening arrival into SEN there won’t be much to connect to - probably just Amsterdam, Groningen and Dublin.

LTNman 22nd Nov 2018 12:32


Originally Posted by TopBunk (Post 10317266)
... because SEN has such an extensive European network for connections:rolleyes:

I was thinking the same. Southend is no Gatwick that is for sure.

tophat27dt 22nd Nov 2018 13:26


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10317302)
I was thinking the same. Southend is no Gatwick that is for sure.

I think SEN has its own catchment area and won't be too affected by LHR. In fact I am sure many of the LGW pax could well live nearer to SEN but of course the timetable is the important part.

Planespeaking 22nd Nov 2018 13:28


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10317302)
I was thinking the same. Southend is no Gatwick that is for sure.

No nor LTN or STN, but then that is part of it's attraction.

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2018 14:47

Comic statements...

Planespeaking 22nd Nov 2018 15:18


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10317429)
Comic statements...

Would you care to enlarge SSB...!

southside bobby 22nd Nov 2018 15:39

Some common sense logic & a nice touch of reality will do it...

BTW why draw STN into your aside at LTN,but it happens on this thread anyway I know as I have noted & mentioned many times when SEN encounters cloud.

Planespeaking 22nd Nov 2018 15:53


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10317487)
Some common sense logic & a nice touch of reality will do it...

BTW why draw STN into your aside at LTN,but it happens on this thread anyway I know as I have noted & mentioned many times when SEN encounters cloud.

And translations in English are available where??🤔

canberra97 22nd Nov 2018 16:04


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10317496)

And translations in English are available where??🤔

Have you tried Google translation :-)

The comment is fairly obvious!

LTNman 22nd Nov 2018 16:35


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10317348)

No nor LTN or STN, but then that is part of it's attraction.

The post in question was about Gatwick connections Vs Southend connections and nothing else.

DC3 Dave 22nd Nov 2018 17:39

Wow!!! I only asked if Flybe's decision would possibly have any affect on SEN-NQY next year. My own thought is probably not, for despite Stobart's talk of business users traveling to the city choosing SEN, I believe the route will serve a completely different demographic, serving leisure users traveling west.

Thanks for all the responses, even the crazy ones.

GROUNDHOG 22nd Nov 2018 17:44

I am old enough to remember when Stansted couldn't get passengers for love nor money and in later years when Stelios was told by the experts he was joking if he thought flights from Luton would be a success.

I know little about the Southend catchment area but what I do know is if there is a hub airport in South East England that allows me to fly from the far South West (Cornwall is not in England by the way) to somewhere I want to go, then I will use that over a huge airport with five terminals that takes me a week to get through or a two hour drive to Exeter.. Hence my post.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2018 07:40

GROUNDHOG...

Much creditability is lost in your post with that second paragraph above...

I read it that you are describing SEN as "a hub airport in South East England"....seriously?...

And as for the little geo political aside"(Cornwall is not in England by the way)" please take your issues elsewhere.

Expressflight 23rd Nov 2018 08:13


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10318104)
GROUNDHOG...

I read it that you are describing SEN as "a hub airport in South East England"....seriously?...

For once I agree with you. The only feasible connecting flights from NQY via SEN would be to GRQ or AMS and the former cannot be booked as a through flight on the Flybe website while the latter would obviously be a separate booking on easyJet.

The main question is will leisure travellers to Cornwall from the South East chose SEN in preference to LHR any more or less than they would do so in preference to LGW. Who knows but perhaps some would feel more comfortable using SEN than LHR, a complex airport which many of them may never have used before while they would perhaps be somewhat more familiar with LGW. Comparative fare levels will also have some effect of course as they always do.

DC3 Dave 23rd Nov 2018 08:32

I see Laker's Bar has been replaced by the Navigator Pub. Worth noting there is a choice of beers from the Leigh-on-Sea brewery. I can personally recommend the Cockle Row Spit. I believe the availability of these beers is exclusive to Southend Airport and provides yet another incentive to those deciding which London airport to depart from.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2018 10:17

Enjoy your imbibing DC3 Dave...

It is a shame though a name synonymous with Southend & BTW Stansted in earlier times is replaced with the standard generic & boring no thought style of rebrand above the door.

GROUNDHOG 23rd Nov 2018 14:07


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10318104)
GROUNDHOG...

Much creditability is lost in your post with that second paragraph above...

I read it that you are describing SEN as "a hub airport in South East England"....seriously?...

And as for the little geo political aside"(Cornwall is not in England by the way)" please take your issues elsewhere.

Then you didn't read it properly, I said if there was a hub airport.... Of course if I flew NQY/SEN/??? then by default it becomes my hub airport.
The quip was meant to add a little humour, thanks for the invitation to take it elsewhere but it is staying right here.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2018 16:11

Gordon Bennett GROUNHOG you just have to be more expressive than you were initially as it was all over my `ed.

Being just an Essex geezer it is a struggle with other`s humour obviously then too.

Planespeaking 23rd Nov 2018 16:29


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 10318528)
Gordon Bennett GROUNHOG you just have to be more expressive than you were initially as it was all over my `ed.

Being just an Essex geezer it is a struggle with other`s humour obviously then too.

SSB your posts are becoming more incoherent by the day. Nobody died and made you God, Groundhog and others have a right to express their knowledge, or lack of, and opinions. Your posts are becoming rather tedious and your wish to slag off those who take the sunlight off your beloved STN is rather sad. Please give the rest of us who have a life, a break.

southside bobby 23rd Nov 2018 16:58

Oh dear...

I attempt to provide what I deem to be any relevant detail concerning STN & elsewhere I certainly do not "slag off" posters...a lovely turn of phrase if I may say.

Your options are boundless...including debating & engaging properly...for instance was it your good self that mentioned on the STN thread recently that you were involved in the original Stansted development as there is a bit of a discussion going on over there which you could possibly interact & help with.

If you do not like my phraseology in posts then no requirement for personal attacks as you can hit the complaint button as advised by mods perhaps or press ignore.

Otherwise it makes you no better than you purport me to be I would hazard.

AirportPlanner1 24th Nov 2018 15:21

Carlisle
 
I clicked on the airport’s Black Friday link to book parking and it landed me on the destinations page. Carlisle is on there, from Spring 2019. Has that always been on there, or is it a recent update with actual intent?

DC3 Dave 24th Nov 2018 16:34


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10319318)
I clicked on the airport’s Black Friday link to book parking and it landed me on the destinations page. Carlisle is on there, from Spring 2019. Has that always been on there, or is it a recent update with actual intent?

It never went away. Only problem is if you click on the Loganair link to book you won't find Carlisle listed.

SEN Observer 25th Nov 2018 11:06

Anyone got any idea how Paderborn is performing after its very rocky first flight?

asdf1234 26th Nov 2018 09:02

The natives at the northerly end of SEN's runway are getting very upset about the amount of night flights and the corresponding noise it generates. Apparently the airport CEO has been dispatched to attend a local meeting to face the complaints head on.

LTNman 26th Nov 2018 09:13

Everyone is entailed to a good nights sleep including those that live near an airport. Stobart is making money out of other peoples misery.

asdf1234 26th Nov 2018 09:19


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10320619)
Everyone is entailed to a good nights sleep including those that live near an airport. Stobart is making money out of other peoples misery.

It needn't be misery for them - I'm sure I remember seeing in the Noise Action Plan a duty bestowed upon the airport operator by the local authority to supply triple glazing (or other noise reducing measures) to any dwelling adversely affected by noise from the airport. May be someone else more closely interested in the airport could confirm that to be the case?

Expressflight 26th Nov 2018 10:23


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10320619)
Everyone is entailed to a good nights sleep including those that live near an airport. Stobart is making money out of other peoples misery.

What an odd criticism to aim specifically at Stobart. Surely all airport operators could be accused of that and as LTN is owned by the local authority would you not expect them to be particularly concerned if "misery" was being caused by LTN's night flights? I haven't seen anything to suggest that they are.

Planespeaking 26th Nov 2018 10:46


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10320619)
Everyone is entailed to a good nights sleep including those that live near an airport. Stobart is making money out of other peoples misery.

Rather a bizarre comment! I may be wrong but hasn't LTN just had severe restrictions placed on it because it exceeded it's night movement quota? Hence the upturn of biz jets at SEN. And LTN is an airport owned by it's local authority. Not much concern shown to local residents there I feel.

mik3bravo 26th Nov 2018 11:30


Originally Posted by asdf1234 (Post 10320612)
The natives at the northerly end of SEN's runway are getting very upset about the amount of night flights and the corresponding noise it generates. Apparently the airport CEO has been dispatched to attend a local meeting to face the complaints head on.

Are SEN operating outside of their planning approval hours of operations? If so, then to what extent: infrequently, or becoming an increasing trend on a daily or weekly basis? Any data available to illustrate the factual position of movements outside approved hours of normal business operations?


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