Originally Posted by SEN Observer
(Post 10381781)
Looks like curtains for Paderborn
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10383191)
CAA stats show 72 passengers carried in December, which I think equates to 3.6 per flight. Embarrassing. |
Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10383346)
Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?
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Jet Centre has its own reserved parking bays.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10383346)
Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?
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First B738 pax flight
Luxair B738 LX-LGU should be arriving SEN in the next 30 minutes operating a 'catch-up 'flight for LCY pax delayed by high winds earlier today. This will be the first B738 to carry pax into SEN, the two Luxair flights a couple of years ago arrived empty and operated out full to Pau. The two scheduled evening LUX-LCY-LUX flights have been combined onto the B738 into SEN.
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Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10384435)
Luxair B738 LX-LGU should be arriving SEN in the next 30 minutes operating a 'catch-up 'flight for LCY pax delayed by high winds earlier today. This will be the first B738 to carry pax into SEN, the two Luxair flights a couple of years ago arrived empty and operated out full to Pau. The two scheduled evening LUX-LCY-LUX flights have been combined onto the B738 into SEN.
Not sure how many came in on it from LUX |
Earlier today a BA Cityflyer flight from Milan Linate diverted to Southend due to bad weather, and the return back to Milan also began in Southend (the aircraft spends Friday and Saturday night in Milan)
A single divert is pretty mundane, but what puzzles me is why a divert like this causes chaos. The E190 ended up landing at Southend just before 8 am. The pax for a 0940 departure fron LCY were checked in, luggage accepted at checkin desks, and only at the LCY gate just before gate-closing time were they told to then go collect their bags from arrivals, wait for a coach to take them to Southend and then end up departing SEN 4 hours after the original LCY departure time or 5h30 after the plane landed at SEN following bad weather LCY-SEN is about 45 mins to drive. So why does a divert like this which should not be unexpected with winter weather take so long to resolve ? And no, the handling agents wouldn't say anything beyond the catch-all 'operational reasons' ! I don't mean to have a moan - more trying to understand why this all takes so long to be resolved, especially when SEN has ample spare airport capacity |
On a similar note I was at STN today where a Swiss turned up. It was on the ground a good couple of hours so I guessed they were bringing the pax over, but no it seemed to me to depart empty. Surely it could have headed back immediately and not unnecessarily delayed later flights (if it was due to make any). Perhaps the issue isn’t the capacity of SEN or the ease in which pax could theoretically be transferred, but one of waiting on ops decisions. The Swiss couldn’t have made it back to LCY because it was too late. Perhaps BA were waiting to see if conditions improved. Perhaps the aircraft being displaced necessitated bringing in a new crew. Perhaps they couldn’t source a coach in good time. No point sending pax by train because it’s rail replacement. |
Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
(Post 10385409)
Earlier today a BA Cityflyer flight from Milan Linate diverted to Southend due to bad weather, and the return back to Milan also began in Southend (the aircraft spends Friday and Saturday night in Milan)
A single divert is pretty mundane, but what puzzles me is why a divert like this causes chaos. The E190 ended up landing at Southend just before 8 am. The pax for a 0940 departure fron LCY were checked in, luggage accepted at checkin desks, and only at the LCY gate just before gate-closing time were they told to then go collect their bags from arrivals, wait for a coach to take them to Southend and then end up departing SEN 4 hours after the original LCY departure time or 5h30 after the plane landed at SEN following bad weather LCY-SEN is about 45 mins to drive. So why does a divert like this which should not be unexpected with winter weather take so long to resolve ? And no, the handling agents wouldn't say anything beyond the catch-all 'operational reasons' ! I don't mean to have a moan - more trying to understand why this all takes so long to be resolved, especially when SEN has ample spare airport capacity |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10385494)
On a similar note I was at STN today where a Swiss turned up. It was on the ground a good couple of hours so I guessed they were bringing the pax over, but no it seemed to me to depart empty. Surely it could have headed back immediately and not unnecessarily delayed later flights (if it was due to make any). Perhaps the issue isn’t the capacity of SEN or the ease in which pax could theoretically be transferred, but one of waiting on ops decisions. The Swiss couldn’t have made it back to LCY because it was too late. Perhaps BA were waiting to see if conditions improved. Perhaps the aircraft being displaced necessitated bringing in a new crew. Perhaps they couldn’t source a coach in good time. No point sending pax by train because it’s rail replacement. Maybe Swiss ops were waiting on a window of opportunity to operate the aircraft to LCY for the return or maybe the crew on it were due to get off and night stop in LCY and there was a new crew waiting in LCY to take over so they would have had to get transport between airports. There are multiple reasons including ramp handling - do swiss have a handling contract at SEN - if not then everything needs prepayment or organised otherwise - there could have been a slot departure restriction - multitude of possible causes as to why it sat on the ground for a few hours and then operated back empty. |
As a note...
SWR A220 departed STN to ZRH...& as a further note over numerous SWR diverts in the past they have always appeared to depart back to Switzerland & not position to LCY later. Swiss efficiency? |
Luxair seem to share the same philosophy as Swiss in that their fairly frequent LCY diversions to SEN are turned round very quickly and depart empty to LUX. This actually benefits SEN operationally as it frees up stands for further diversions if needed.
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Originally Posted by irishlad06
(Post 10385558)
Maybe Swiss ops were waiting on a window of opportunity to operate the aircraft to LCY |
Unless SEN were unable to handle the aircraft type? Whilst not knowing specifics, perhaps a towbar and subsequent self manoeuvre stand were unavailable?
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Originally Posted by Jersey32D
(Post 10386430)
Unless SEN were unable to handle the aircraft type? Whilst not knowing specifics, perhaps a towbar and subsequent self manoeuvre stand were unavailable?
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Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes
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They’ve only just celebrated the millionth pax for the last twelve months, so your figures are “pie in the sky” old chap..... |
Originally Posted by mikkie4
(Post 10387237)
Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes
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Originally Posted by tophat27dt
(Post 10383425)
If you look at the monthly "spotters reports" for SEN there is definitely an increase in bizjets using SEN
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sorry I put the decimal point in the wrong place
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Originally Posted by welkyboy
(Post 10387266)
They’ve only just celebrated the millionth pax for the last twelve months, so your figures are “pie in the sky” old chap..... |
Originally Posted by mikkie4
(Post 10387237)
Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes
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Is that not just the existing Venice service moving out? |
The Venice service will be a continuation for winter`19...
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Considering it is the start of half-term the departure board is not looking particularly healthy unlike most other airports across the country.
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Originally Posted by compton3bravo
(Post 10391466)
Considering it is the start of half-term the departure board is not looking particularly healthy unlike most other airports across the country.
I count ten flights to sun/ski holiday destinations plus others to Amsterdam, Dublin etc. That seems more than quite a few UK airports. |
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1
(Post 10391873)
Which airports exactly? Gatwick? Manchester? I count ten flights to sun/ski holiday destinations plus others to Amsterdam, Dublin etc. That seems more than quite a few UK airports. |
It looks like 20 flights tomorrow which, to me, doesn't look too bad at all. Some people like their little moan, don't they?
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Not moaning just reporting the facts. I would not put Exeter and Doncaster in the same division as Southend.
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Been a while since I've been on this chat thread.
What's the latest update on the SEN rwy grooving work, progress against schedule, no glitches, ready on time for the new Ryanair services? |
Originally Posted by compton3bravo
(Post 10392085)
Not moaning just reporting the facts. I would not put Exeter and Doncaster in the same division as Southend.
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I would. All 3 are small regional airports under the 2 million passenger mark.
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I have long memories of Luton hovering around 1.8 million passengers for years, now look at the place, as it is unrecognisable. The future can only be rosy for SEN.
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Originally Posted by LTNman
(Post 10392113)
I have long memories of Luton hovering around 1.8 million passengers for years, now look at the place, as it is unrecognisable. The future can only be rosy for SEN.
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Originally Posted by mik3bravo
(Post 10392087)
Been a while since I've been on this chat thread.
What's the latest update on the SEN rwy grooving work, progress against schedule, no glitches, ready on time for the new Ryanair services? |
Excellent news! Ryanair got a great deal from SEN and no doubt SEN will do very, very well from their new pals at Ryanair. I reckon long term car parks 2 and 3 are going to hit capacity now, may need consideration for a 3 or 5 storey car park on one of those existing footprints.
Fantastic job creating partnership for the immediate SEN catchment area. Brexit? what about it? the revenues will flow in at SEN, Brexit has no damaging impact. Onwards and upwards with confidence! |
Titan A321 G-POWN came in this afternoon, empty I think. Parked up on stand 10. Anyone have any idea what it's here for? The Iceland flight doesn't go for another week yet!
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