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AirportPlanner1 7th Feb 2019 15:25


Originally Posted by SEN Observer (Post 10381781)
Looks like curtains for Paderborn

CAA stats show 72 passengers carried in December, which I think equates to 3.6 per flight. Embarrassing.

Expressflight 7th Feb 2019 15:42


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10383191)


CAA stats show 72 passengers carried in December, which I think equates to 3.6 per flight. Embarrassing.

That's odd as my loadings numbers show 190 pax in December at 10.6 per flight and 11.6 pax per flight for the four January flights.

LTNman 7th Feb 2019 18:07

Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?

pabely 7th Feb 2019 18:24


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10383346)
Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?

Yes a few a day but nothing like what they had during the summer, suppose it will all kick in again once the Luton restrictions start again, then with the based RYR starting soon, will space become an issue?

tophat27dt 7th Feb 2019 19:11

Jet Centre has its own reserved parking bays.
III

tophat27dt 7th Feb 2019 19:12


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10383346)
Did Southend manage to keep its Biz Jet traffic when the restrictions at Luton ended?

If you look at the monthly "spotters reports" for SEN there is definitely an increase in bizjets using SEN

Expressflight 8th Feb 2019 17:59

First B738 pax flight
 
Luxair B738 LX-LGU should be arriving SEN in the next 30 minutes operating a 'catch-up 'flight for LCY pax delayed by high winds earlier today. This will be the first B738 to carry pax into SEN, the two Luxair flights a couple of years ago arrived empty and operated out full to Pau. The two scheduled evening LUX-LCY-LUX flights have been combined onto the B738 into SEN.

rog747 9th Feb 2019 13:28


Originally Posted by Expressflight (Post 10384435)
Luxair B738 LX-LGU should be arriving SEN in the next 30 minutes operating a 'catch-up 'flight for LCY pax delayed by high winds earlier today. This will be the first B738 to carry pax into SEN, the two Luxair flights a couple of years ago arrived empty and operated out full to Pau. The two scheduled evening LUX-LCY-LUX flights have been combined onto the B738 into SEN.

SEN - LUX load was bussed from LCY and was 105 pax

Not sure how many came in on it from LUX

davidjohnson6 9th Feb 2019 21:14

Earlier today a BA Cityflyer flight from Milan Linate diverted to Southend due to bad weather, and the return back to Milan also began in Southend (the aircraft spends Friday and Saturday night in Milan)
A single divert is pretty mundane, but what puzzles me is why a divert like this causes chaos. The E190 ended up landing at Southend just before 8 am. The pax for a 0940 departure fron LCY were checked in, luggage accepted at checkin desks, and only at the LCY gate just before gate-closing time were they told to then go collect their bags from arrivals, wait for a coach to take them to Southend and then end up departing SEN 4 hours after the original LCY departure time or 5h30 after the plane landed at SEN following bad weather

LCY-SEN is about 45 mins to drive. So why does a divert like this which should not be unexpected with winter weather take so long to resolve ? And no, the handling agents wouldn't say anything beyond the catch-all 'operational reasons' ! I don't mean to have a moan - more trying to understand why this all takes so long to be resolved, especially when SEN has ample spare airport capacity

AirportPlanner1 10th Feb 2019 00:00

On a similar note I was at STN today where a Swiss turned up. It was on the ground a good couple of hours so I guessed they were bringing the pax over, but no it seemed to me to depart empty. Surely it could have headed back immediately and not unnecessarily delayed later flights (if it was due to make any).

Perhaps the issue isn’t the capacity of SEN or the ease in which pax could theoretically be transferred, but one of waiting on ops decisions.

The Swiss couldn’t have made it back to LCY because it was too late. Perhaps BA were waiting to see if conditions improved. Perhaps the aircraft being displaced necessitated bringing in a new crew. Perhaps they couldn’t source a coach in good time. No point sending pax by train because it’s rail replacement.

Cazza_fly 10th Feb 2019 00:35


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10385409)
Earlier today a BA Cityflyer flight from Milan Linate diverted to Southend due to bad weather, and the return back to Milan also began in Southend (the aircraft spends Friday and Saturday night in Milan)
A single divert is pretty mundane, but what puzzles me is why a divert like this causes chaos. The E190 ended up landing at Southend just before 8 am. The pax for a 0940 departure fron LCY were checked in, luggage accepted at checkin desks, and only at the LCY gate just before gate-closing time were they told to then go collect their bags from arrivals, wait for a coach to take them to Southend and then end up departing SEN 4 hours after the original LCY departure time or 5h30 after the plane landed at SEN following bad weather

LCY-SEN is about 45 mins to drive. So why does a divert like this which should not be unexpected with winter weather take so long to resolve ? And no, the handling agents wouldn't say anything beyond the catch-all 'operational reasons' ! I don't mean to have a moan - more trying to understand why this all takes so long to be resolved, especially when SEN has ample spare airport capacity

If it wasn't planned, its having the staff availability to make the alternative arrangements in a short period of time and knowing of the availabilty of check-in staff / baggage handling agents at SEN being able to handle it at a certain point in time too. Whilst it seems passengers were informed of the arrangements "late in the day" at the gate - a number of other things will have been going off in the background. Perhaps one of them at some point will have been to continue the aircraft on to LCY should an improved weather window occur. Failing that, organising the onward transport can also take time and will have only been made when the decision to definitely operate the flight from SEN had taken place. There's no coaches just parked up idle at LCY waiting for such an event, so they have to be sourced and then will give an estimate of dispatch and journey time to get to LCY. Now, this is presuming it wasn't the only disrupted flight. If so, handling staff may have also been dealing with issues on any other disruptions and hold ups on delays too before being able to take on this disrupted flight. Another hold up before returning passengers on the flight back to the land-side area will have been to work with the airport on the best route to do this. Ensuring the luggage collection was ready - all whilst (presumably?) other operations were continuing at LCY including arriving flights using the baggage hall. That's all so far happened at LCY alone before even having to make a full new check-in at SEN, most probably under manual operating conditions (no BA check-in system) with most likely minimum staff due to having to protect their own flight schedules first and foremost. That's not even mentioning any crewing issues, flight planning changes etc. So perhaps 4 hours all in all isn't the worst.

irishlad06 10th Feb 2019 04:25


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10385494)
On a similar note I was at STN today where a Swiss turned up. It was on the ground a good couple of hours so I guessed they were bringing the pax over, but no it seemed to me to depart empty. Surely it could have headed back immediately and not unnecessarily delayed later flights (if it was due to make any).

Perhaps the issue isn’t the capacity of SEN or the ease in which pax could theoretically be transferred, but one of waiting on ops decisions.

The Swiss couldn’t have made it back to LCY because it was too late. Perhaps BA were waiting to see if conditions improved. Perhaps the aircraft being displaced necessitated bringing in a new crew. Perhaps they couldn’t source a coach in good time. No point sending pax by train because it’s rail replacement.


Maybe Swiss ops were waiting on a window of opportunity to operate the aircraft to LCY for the return or maybe the crew on it were due to get off and night stop in LCY and there was a new crew waiting in LCY to take over so they would have had to get transport between airports. There are multiple reasons including ramp handling - do swiss have a handling contract at SEN - if not then everything needs prepayment or organised otherwise - there could have been a slot departure restriction - multitude of possible causes as to why it sat on the ground for a few hours and then operated back empty.

southside bobby 10th Feb 2019 05:10

As a note...

SWR A220 departed STN to ZRH...& as a further note over numerous SWR diverts in the past they have always appeared to depart back to Switzerland & not position to LCY later.
Swiss efficiency?

Expressflight 10th Feb 2019 07:26

Luxair seem to share the same philosophy as Swiss in that their fairly frequent LCY diversions to SEN are turned round very quickly and depart empty to LUX. This actually benefits SEN operationally as it frees up stands for further diversions if needed.

AirportPlanner1 10th Feb 2019 07:26


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 10385558)



Maybe Swiss ops were waiting on a window of opportunity to operate the aircraft to LCY

As I clearly said, getting back to LCY wasn’t an option as it was too late for the curfew. I also doubt they were awaiting crew as Swiss don’t night stop, particularly not on a Saturday.

Jersey32D 11th Feb 2019 01:16

Unless SEN were unable to handle the aircraft type? Whilst not knowing specifics, perhaps a towbar and subsequent self manoeuvre stand were unavailable?

Expressflight 11th Feb 2019 06:42


Originally Posted by Jersey32D (Post 10386430)
Unless SEN were unable to handle the aircraft type? Whilst not knowing specifics, perhaps a towbar and subsequent self manoeuvre stand were unavailable?

If you are talking about Swiss they always choose STN as their LCY diversion airport. Nothing to do with SEN handling capability.

mikkie4 11th Feb 2019 21:28

Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes

welkyboy 11th Feb 2019 22:10

They’ve only just celebrated the millionth pax for the last twelve months, so your figures are “pie in the sky” old chap.....

pabely 11th Feb 2019 22:25


Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10387237)
Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes

I think that is rolling year, not December

pabely 11th Feb 2019 22:27


Originally Posted by tophat27dt (Post 10383425)
If you look at the monthly "spotters reports" for SEN there is definitely an increase in bizjets using SEN

CAA Stats show 93 biz for December whereas 263 in June when LTN & STN night restictions would have been in place.

mikkie4 12th Feb 2019 09:21

sorry I put the decimal point in the wrong place

Expressflight 12th Feb 2019 10:00


Originally Posted by welkyboy (Post 10387266)
They’ve only just celebrated the millionth pax for the last twelve months, so your figures are “pie in the sky” old chap.....

If you're referring to the story in the Echo it was the one millionth Stobart Air passenger that SEN were celebrating; nothing to do with total pax numbers.

Expressflight 12th Feb 2019 10:06


Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10387237)
Passenger numbers for DECEMBER were just short of 1.1/2 million compaired to DEC 2017 ,That's pretty dam good...(PAX NUMBERS UP AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS DOWN) more bums on seats on less planes

Total aircraft movements were 32,531 in 2018, up from 26,674 in 2017. Of those 17,089 were ATMs in 2018 compared with 12,158 in 2017..

BA318 14th Feb 2019 11:25

Ryanair are adding 4x weekly Venice Treviso

https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...-improvements/

AirportPlanner1 14th Feb 2019 12:23

Is that not just the existing Venice service moving out?

southside bobby 14th Feb 2019 12:54

The Venice service will be a continuation for winter`19...

compton3bravo 16th Feb 2019 07:19

Considering it is the start of half-term the departure board is not looking particularly healthy unlike most other airports across the country.

AirportPlanner1 16th Feb 2019 16:48


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10391466)
Considering it is the start of half-term the departure board is not looking particularly healthy unlike most other airports across the country.

Which airports exactly? Gatwick? Manchester?

I count ten flights to sun/ski holiday destinations plus others to Amsterdam, Dublin etc. That seems more than quite a few UK airports.

PDXCWL45 16th Feb 2019 17:42


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10391873)


Which airports exactly? Gatwick? Manchester?

I count ten flights to sun/ski holiday destinations plus others to Amsterdam, Dublin etc. That seems more than quite a few UK airports.

Southend had 14 departures today according to Fr24. So not too bad for an airport of it's size. For comparison Cardiff had 16, Exeter 12, Doncaser 9 and Southampton 25.

SEN Observer 16th Feb 2019 18:25

It looks like 20 flights tomorrow which, to me, doesn't look too bad at all. Some people like their little moan, don't they?

compton3bravo 16th Feb 2019 20:21

Not moaning just reporting the facts. I would not put Exeter and Doncaster in the same division as Southend.

mik3bravo 16th Feb 2019 20:26

Been a while since I've been on this chat thread.
What's the latest update on the SEN rwy grooving work, progress against schedule, no glitches, ready on time for the new Ryanair services?

AirportPlanner1 16th Feb 2019 20:33


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10392085)
Not moaning just reporting the facts. I would not put Exeter and Doncaster in the same division as Southend.

With four based EasyJet, one of which goes to the Canaries, and a couple of Stobart exactly how many flights should SEN have on a Saturday?

PDXCWL45 16th Feb 2019 20:39

I would. All 3 are small regional airports under the 2 million passenger mark.

LTNman 16th Feb 2019 20:48

I have long memories of Luton hovering around 1.8 million passengers for years, now look at the place, as it is unrecognisable. The future can only be rosy for SEN.

aurigny72 16th Feb 2019 21:47


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10392113)
I have long memories of Luton hovering around 1.8 million passengers for years, now look at the place, as it is unrecognisable. The future can only be rosy for SEN.

Yes LTNman lets hope so but SEN could never reach anywhere near the PAX numbers of LTN, mainly because of the limited space of the airport to expand and the runway length, however if someone had suggested even a year ago that Ryanair would set up a base at SEN i would have never believed it. I think if all goes well during the next few years i feel a max capacity of 5 million PAX a year would be very good due to the airports restraints.

tophat27dt 17th Feb 2019 03:45


Originally Posted by mik3bravo (Post 10392087)
Been a while since I've been on this chat thread.
What's the latest update on the SEN rwy grooving work, progress against schedule, no glitches, ready on time for the new Ryanair services?

The resurfacing is 80% complete and then the grooving will be done. Approx one week ahead of schedule so all looks good. Thank you for asking.

mik3bravo 17th Feb 2019 06:52

Excellent news! Ryanair got a great deal from SEN and no doubt SEN will do very, very well from their new pals at Ryanair. I reckon long term car parks 2 and 3 are going to hit capacity now, may need consideration for a 3 or 5 storey car park on one of those existing footprints.

Fantastic job creating partnership for the immediate SEN catchment area. Brexit? what about it? the revenues will flow in at SEN, Brexit has no damaging impact. Onwards and upwards with confidence!

SEN Observer 17th Feb 2019 15:47

Titan A321 G-POWN came in this afternoon, empty I think. Parked up on stand 10. Anyone have any idea what it's here for? The Iceland flight doesn't go for another week yet!


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